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James Bond 007 | OT | The name's Bond, James Bond
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Spider from Mars
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Dalton = best Bond.
It wasn't far ahead of the conspiracy theories at all. It came out during the height of that conspiracy theory, that's the entire reason it was in it.
This so much.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
And the amazing stand up comedy of Shady Tree. Truly great material, ladies and germs!
Icefire1424
Member
Aaaaaaaaaaand subbed. Huge Bond fan. Look forward to reading through this thread a bit later.
Best Bond themes:
Live and Let Die
You Know My Name
Goldfinger
You Only Live Twice
Skyfall
Thunderball (lyrics are hilarious nonsense though)
Despite being (kind of) a Duran Duran fan, I never really got into View to a Kill.
I know why it was done as shitty as it was, but that doesn't make it any less shitty.
Live and Let Die
You Know My Name
Goldfinger
You Only Live Twice
Skyfall
Thunderball (lyrics are hilarious nonsense though)
Despite being (kind of) a Duran Duran fan, I never really got into View to a Kill.
I know why it was done as shitty as it was, but that doesn't make it any less shitty.
Oh for sure, its ridiculous.
As far as Bond themes go, my favorites (in chronological order rather than ranked) are:
- Goldfinger (epitomizes the "Bond theme" and the sound of the 60's, and Shirley Bassey is a Bond goddess)
- Thunderball (I love Tom Jones belting this one out, and the orchestration)
- On Her Majesty's Secret Service (why have we not received an instrumental theme since? This piece moves)
- Live And Let Die (just the right track at the right time in the early 70's)
- A View To A Kill (the 80's were a great time for Bond themes, bringing me my 2 favorite themes in consecutive movies, including this one)
- The Living Daylights (the second film in a row with a theme I loved)
- You Know My Name (just like its film did, it brought a fresh, rough-around-the-edges feel back to Bond; I only wish they'd used the less orchestrated and more rocky cut of the track in the film)
As far as Bond themes go, my favorites (in chronological order rather than ranked) are:
- Goldfinger (epitomizes the "Bond theme" and the sound of the 60's, and Shirley Bassey is a Bond goddess)
- Thunderball (I love Tom Jones belting this one out, and the orchestration)
- On Her Majesty's Secret Service (why have we not received an instrumental theme since? This piece moves)
- Live And Let Die (just the right track at the right time in the early 70's)
- A View To A Kill (the 80's were a great time for Bond themes, bringing me my 2 favorite themes in consecutive movies, including this one)
- The Living Daylights (the second film in a row with a theme I loved)
- You Know My Name (just like its film did, it brought a fresh, rough-around-the-edges feel back to Bond; I only wish they'd used the less orchestrated and more rocky cut of the track in the film)
My current list is something along these lines:
That said. I really have to rewatch Spectre and On Her Majesty's Secret Service to really be sure where to put them. And I'm really iffy about which one is the better film of Skyfall and Spectre, can't make up my mind on that one yet. But GAF have certainly made me appreciate Spectre less.
That said. I really have to rewatch Spectre and On Her Majesty's Secret Service to really be sure where to put them. And I'm really iffy about which one is the better film of Skyfall and Spectre, can't make up my mind on that one yet. But GAF have certainly made me appreciate Spectre less.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Top themes, chronologically:
Goldfinger
You Only Live Twice
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Live and Let Die
Nobody Does it Better
Skyfall
You Know My Name is pretty great, but the above are better. However, the opening credits sequence over which it plays is probably my favorite in the entire series.
There's a time big gap between Carly Simon and Adelle, but IMHO the 80s Bond themes are a bit wanting, despite me liking A-Ha and Duran Duran. Garbage's theme was decent but not quite memorable enough and Goldeneye was Tina trying to outdo Shirley, and that ain't happening.
It's not a theme, but Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is one of the best pieces of Bond music, period.
And for non-Eon films, The Look of Love is also a great piece of music.
Goldfinger
You Only Live Twice
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Live and Let Die
Nobody Does it Better
Skyfall
You Know My Name is pretty great, but the above are better. However, the opening credits sequence over which it plays is probably my favorite in the entire series.
There's a time big gap between Carly Simon and Adelle, but IMHO the 80s Bond themes are a bit wanting, despite me liking A-Ha and Duran Duran. Garbage's theme was decent but not quite memorable enough and Goldeneye was Tina trying to outdo Shirley, and that ain't happening.
It's not a theme, but Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is one of the best pieces of Bond music, period.
And for non-Eon films, The Look of Love is also a great piece of music.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
"just... I dunno, just throw it into frame, I guess."
Great call.
My favorite theme is Nobody Does it Better. Such a beautiful song. I sing it whenever possible! And I'll throw my hat in the ring and say TLD is massively underrated. It has great action, humor, Maryam d'abo, and a great first Bond film performance from Timothy! It sometimes makes me seriously consider putting it over LTK.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I am going have to review them, but Best Opening Credits and best Pre-Credits lists will be forthcoming.
They will be radically different from Best Bond Films, to say the least.
They will be radically different from Best Bond Films, to say the least.
Exterminieren
Banned
I'll be back with fuller thoughts on everything, but best credits sequences (in chronological order)
From Russia With Love
The Man With The Golden Gun
The Spy Who Loved Me
Goldeneye
Tomorrow Never Dies
The World is Not Enough
Casino Royale
Skyfall
Spectre
Kleinman da gawd.
From Russia With Love
The Man With The Golden Gun
The Spy Who Loved Me
Goldeneye
Tomorrow Never Dies
The World is Not Enough
Casino Royale
Skyfall
Spectre
Kleinman da gawd.
thezerofire
Banned
Has anyone read the Warren Ellis Bond comic? Picked up issue 1 and wasn't too impressed
Commander Jameson
Member
My list might be a bit unconventional coming from someone who grew up with the 70s and 80s Bond, so I'm not expecting anyone to agree with many of these placings.
1. Goldfinger
2. The Spy Who Loved Me
3. Licence to Kill
4. The Living Daylights
5. For Your Eyes Only
6. Goldeneye
7. From Russia With Love
8. Live and Let Die
9. Casino Royale
10. Moonraker
11. Dr No
12. Octopussy
13. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
14. Thunderball
15. You Only Live Twice
16. Diamonds are Forever
17. Skyfall
18. The Man With The Golden Gun
19. Spectre
20. A View to a Kill
21. Tomorrow Never Dies
22. The World is Not Enough
23. Die Another Day
24. Quantum of Solace
1. Goldfinger
2. The Spy Who Loved Me
3. Licence to Kill
4. The Living Daylights
5. For Your Eyes Only
6. Goldeneye
7. From Russia With Love
8. Live and Let Die
9. Casino Royale
10. Moonraker
11. Dr No
12. Octopussy
13. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
14. Thunderball
15. You Only Live Twice
16. Diamonds are Forever
17. Skyfall
18. The Man With The Golden Gun
19. Spectre
20. A View to a Kill
21. Tomorrow Never Dies
22. The World is Not Enough
23. Die Another Day
24. Quantum of Solace
stuminus3
Member
Went to see Spectre with the wife yesterday and she was complaining about the tone of the trailers before the movie. When I asked what she meant she asked why isn't there anything coming out like Spider-Man or something like that. I wondered what that had to do with James Bond and she said because James Bond is like a superhero. I asked what his superpower was supposed to be and she said sex appeal. Just thought that was funny.
This guy gets it!
The Scollard
Member
My ranking, from a big Bond fan. I haven't gone through a complete watch-through of the series in a while, so I'm only putting my Top and Bottom 5.
TOP:
1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. From Russia With Love
3. For Your Eyes Only
4. Goldfinger
5. Skyfall
BOTTOM:
5. Octopussy
4. Diamonds are Forever
3. Moonraker
2. Quantum of Solace
1. Die Another Day
TOP:
1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. From Russia With Love
3. For Your Eyes Only
4. Goldfinger
5. Skyfall
BOTTOM:
5. Octopussy
4. Diamonds are Forever
3. Moonraker
2. Quantum of Solace
1. Die Another Day
Dangansona
Member
Happy we have an OT like this. Hopefully we can keep it somewhat positive, the negativity/hyperbole in the Spectre thread is overwhelming and certainly uncalled for imo. You can be disappointed without calling a movie a piece of shit or the worst movie ever made.
I'll get to ranking them and other general Bond thoughts later, but first I wanted to share my hopes for the next decade or so of Bond.
Bond 25
Daniel Craig and Christolph Waltz Returns. Waltz breaks out in the opening scene, credits, Bond gets a mission from M in normal Bond fashion and goes on the hunt. This is his last mission, and goddammit no going rogue. At some point Seydoux is captured by Blofeld, and Bond kills him, rescues the girl, they get married and he retires permanently. A happy send off for Craig and Bond.
The Next Trilogy
From now on, Bond movies are only done in trilogies (or 4 movies max). The new Bond is the youngest yet, and instead of having an origin story we have him already established as Bond. That said, in the first movie we get a Dr. No like plot where the villain reveals Spectre to James and MI6 at the very end. From there Spectre (and new Blofeld actors) are involved in the rest of the trilogy. These will stray a little closer to classic Bond than what we got with Craig, but not at the expense of quality. Fire Purvis and Wade.
Thoughts?
I'll get to ranking them and other general Bond thoughts later, but first I wanted to share my hopes for the next decade or so of Bond.
Bond 25
Daniel Craig and Christolph Waltz Returns. Waltz breaks out in the opening scene, credits, Bond gets a mission from M in normal Bond fashion and goes on the hunt. This is his last mission, and goddammit no going rogue. At some point Seydoux is captured by Blofeld, and Bond kills him, rescues the girl, they get married and he retires permanently. A happy send off for Craig and Bond.
The Next Trilogy
From now on, Bond movies are only done in trilogies (or 4 movies max). The new Bond is the youngest yet, and instead of having an origin story we have him already established as Bond. That said, in the first movie we get a Dr. No like plot where the villain reveals Spectre to James and MI6 at the very end. From there Spectre (and new Blofeld actors) are involved in the rest of the trilogy. These will stray a little closer to classic Bond than what we got with Craig, but not at the expense of quality. Fire Purvis and Wade.
Get Lana to do the opening credits
Thoughts?
I like the cover played in Austin Powers, but otherwise yes.
So, just do the last 20 minutes of Spectre over again?
I think they can do something interesting with Blofeld in the next movie. My fear is that they'll go the obvious route of having him serve a Hannibal Lecter (or Silva-in-prison) role, before releasing him. I'd like to see Blofeld targeted for death by Spectre instead, and Bond forced him to help him out because... I don't know, because he has useful intel or something. It could bring the foster brother relationship into something that actually impacts things.
Dangansona
Member
So, just do the last 20 minutes of Spectre over again?
I think they can do something interesting with Blofeld in the next movie. My fear is that they'll go the obvious route of having him serve a Hannibal Lecter (or Silva-in-prison) role, before releasing him. I'd like to see Blofeld targeted for death by Spectre instead, and Bond forced him to help him out because... I don't know, because he has useful intel or something. It could bring the foster brother relationship into something that actually impacts things.
I can get behind that idea actually! The idea behind my pitch is that I really don't want Seudoux killed and Bond all depressed from that again. I think it would be smarter for them to have a happy ending and Bond retire, especially because this is one of those rare times (maybe the only time?) where EON has known well in advance what movie would be the actor's final appearance of Bond. Capitalize on that, and know that after he is done you will reboot it with another actor anyways.
Ranking, mine is going be a bit different.
The legit good Bond film lot.
1. Casino Royale
2. Goldeneye
3. From Russia with Love
4. Thunderball
5. The Living Daylights
6. Live and Let Die
7. Dr. No
8. On Her Majesty Secret Service(Only because I still think Lanzerby was the least interesting Bond)
9. For Your Eyes Only.
The Solid lot
10. Quatum of Solace
11. Goldfinger
12. License to Kill
13. Tomorrow Never Dies
14. Skyfall
15. The Spy Who loved me.
16. You Only Live Twice(I want to put this above, but the book...)
The Middle(Aka ones with missed potential)
17. The World is Not Enough
18.OctoPussy
19.
The Bad, but fun to watch lot.
19 Die Another Day
20. Diamonds are Forever
Bad and Boring lot
21. A View to a Kill
22. Spectre
23. The Man with the Golden Gun
24. Moonraker
The legit good Bond film lot.
1. Casino Royale
2. Goldeneye
3. From Russia with Love
4. Thunderball
5. The Living Daylights
6. Live and Let Die
7. Dr. No
8. On Her Majesty Secret Service(Only because I still think Lanzerby was the least interesting Bond)
9. For Your Eyes Only.
The Solid lot
10. Quatum of Solace
11. Goldfinger
12. License to Kill
13. Tomorrow Never Dies
14. Skyfall
15. The Spy Who loved me.
16. You Only Live Twice(I want to put this above, but the book...)
The Middle(Aka ones with missed potential)
17. The World is Not Enough
18.OctoPussy
19.
The Bad, but fun to watch lot.
19 Die Another Day
20. Diamonds are Forever
Bad and Boring lot
21. A View to a Kill
22. Spectre
23. The Man with the Golden Gun
24. Moonraker
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
BTW, my love for Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is primarily for the instrumental version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIeutRREg78
There should be more instrumental Bond themes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIeutRREg78
There should be more instrumental Bond themes.
1 - OHMSS
2 - Skyfall
3 - Goldfinger
4 - Dr No
5 - Goldeneye
6 - Casino Royale
7 - License to Kill
8 - Goldfinger
9 - The Man With The Golden Gun
10 - Thunderball
11 - For Your Eyes Only
12 - From Russia With Love
13 - Live and Let Die
14 - The Living Daylights
15 - Spectre
16 - A View to a Kill
17 - Diamonds are Forever
18 - Octopussy
19 - You Only Live Twice
20 - The Spy Who loved me.
21 - Tomorrow Never Dies
22 - The World is Not Enough
23 - Quantum of Solace
24 - Moonraker
2 - Skyfall
3 - Goldfinger
4 - Dr No
5 - Goldeneye
6 - Casino Royale
7 - License to Kill
8 - Goldfinger
9 - The Man With The Golden Gun
10 - Thunderball
11 - For Your Eyes Only
12 - From Russia With Love
13 - Live and Let Die
14 - The Living Daylights
15 - Spectre
16 - A View to a Kill
17 - Diamonds are Forever
18 - Octopussy
19 - You Only Live Twice
20 - The Spy Who loved me.
21 - Tomorrow Never Dies
22 - The World is Not Enough
23 - Quantum of Solace
24 - Moonraker
The Scollard
Member
You put Goldfinger on there twice (3 and 8). I realized that since there was no Die Another Day, which probably belongs at the very bottom.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I'm rewatching The Spy Who Loved Me right now and it's even better than I remembered. If you can get past some of the corniness, it's pretty damned good.
Moore as always is one suave motherfucker.
Major Boothroyd just drove up in the Lotus.
Moore as always is one suave motherfucker.
Major Boothroyd just drove up in the Lotus.
Just finished watching From Russia With Love.
Was definitely better than Dr. No. I felt like this movie didn't really have that lull that its predecessor had in the middle, felt like there was something happening all throughout. That train fight was pretty cool, as was that last boat chase. The helicopter scene was a bit ridiculous, but I suppose they can't have grand action sequences for every scene.
Connery was really good in this one. Just love the way he straightened his suit after the fight with Grant, so Bond-like. Daniela Bianchi (voiced by Barbara Jefford) was pretty good too, but women aren't treated very well in this movie so she didn't really do that much (Bond also just straight out slapped her in that one scene). I was really hoping for Ali Kerim Bay to live but you had a feeling he was going to die...and well wasn't too surprised when it happened. Grant really played up that whole silent henchman thing until the train scene where I all felt it came together rather well.
Pretty skin and bones review since it's almost 1am and I have to get up at 6:30....might edit more in later.
Anyway, good one, will watch Goldfinger next.
Was definitely better than Dr. No. I felt like this movie didn't really have that lull that its predecessor had in the middle, felt like there was something happening all throughout. That train fight was pretty cool, as was that last boat chase. The helicopter scene was a bit ridiculous, but I suppose they can't have grand action sequences for every scene.
Connery was really good in this one. Just love the way he straightened his suit after the fight with Grant, so Bond-like. Daniela Bianchi (voiced by Barbara Jefford) was pretty good too, but women aren't treated very well in this movie so she didn't really do that much (Bond also just straight out slapped her in that one scene). I was really hoping for Ali Kerim Bay to live but you had a feeling he was going to die...and well wasn't too surprised when it happened. Grant really played up that whole silent henchman thing until the train scene where I all felt it came together rather well.
Pretty skin and bones review since it's almost 1am and I have to get up at 6:30....might edit more in later.
Anyway, good one, will watch Goldfinger next.
Dangansona
Member
Spy Who Loved me is top 5 bond. I also enjoyed The Man With The Golden Gun and Moonraker. For Your Eyes Only is pretty good too.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Spy Who Loved Me reminds me of something that the Moore movies do better than the other Bonds-- give you a sense of a huge journey. This movie starts out as some person-to-person legwork and chases, and ends up a full blown war movie by the end. Some of the other Bond eras have big crowd fights at the end, but here it really is a whiole movement of the movie, not just a climatic scene.
SpideySenses
Member
1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Casino Royale (+2)
3. From Russia With Love (-1)
4. Skyfall (-2)
5. GoldenEye
6. The Living Daylights (+1)
7. Goldfinger (-1)
8. Dr. No
9. Licence to Kill
10. Live and Let Die
11. Thunderball
12. Quantum of Solace
13. You Only Live Twice
14. Tomorrow Never Dies
15. For Your Eyes Only
16. The World is Not Enough
17. Moonraker
18. The Spy Who Loved Me
19. A View to a Kill (+2)
20. The Man with the Golden Gun
21. Octopussy (+1)
22. Diamonds are Forever (-3)
23. Die Another Day
Those ranking changes are based on a list I did a couple years back, I haven't included Spectre yet as it's too early to put it against movies I've seen so many more times.
Skyfall falls a couple places whilst Casino Royale rises, both great movies but time is being kind to Royale, a really unique Bond movie that will increasingly be a standout going forward. Middle of the list stays the same though will change when I factor Spectre in. Last time I watched A View to a Kill I quite enjoyed it, I'm falling into the "so bad it's good" camp with it, which can't be said for Diamonds are Forever which I hated in my last viewing, such a fall from grace compared to every movie that preceded it.
APZonerunner
Member
It's a shame they bumped 'Surrender' from being the Tomorrow Never Dies theme at the last minute, as that'd be on my top 5 themes if it'd made it.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
A lot of people don't realize that the Celine Dion hit "If You Asked Me To" originated as a Bond closing credits theme, by Patti LaBelle.
It's not a Bond THEME, but it's definitely a Bond SONG.
It's not a Bond THEME, but it's definitely a Bond SONG.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Anybody remember that Bond documentary they used to have on Netflix, Everything or Nothing: The Untold Story of 007. I remember watching it earlier this year, was nice to get some details on all the behind the scenes drama and casting. Doesn't look to be on there anymore, too bad.
Also, I love the title because Everything or Nothing is the best Bond game ever. Only time I actually felt like I was playing a Brosnan Bond movie.
Also, I love the title because Everything or Nothing is the best Bond game ever. Only time I actually felt like I was playing a Brosnan Bond movie.
How do people think about continuity in the Bond universe? Not that it is important but the appearance of Blofeld in Spectre and the revelations within are troubling in the fact they even make you think about how the films link together.
There are some obvious lines of continuity. James Bond being the most obvious one, I'm very much in the camp that it should never be considered a code name. He has a simple backstory. Orphaned > Fettes private school > Oxford > Navy > MI:6 . I like to think he has no recent past and every new Bond actor is a clean slate but obviously that isn't the case because there are several references to Tracy in movies after OHMSS. Maybe Tracy is just part of the backstory for those incarnations of Bond.
Are the Daniel Craig movies a true reboot? Almost everything is new except M. Blofeld's appearance and his backstory definitely make it hard to imagine that he is the same character (though modernised) as the previous incarnations who all appeared to be the same person despite the multiple actors.
I've read things where people try and put all the movies in some sort of canonical order which seems really weird to me.
What if they bring back Waltz but not Craig for the next film, it seems like we are in a continuity mess.
There are some obvious lines of continuity. James Bond being the most obvious one, I'm very much in the camp that it should never be considered a code name. He has a simple backstory. Orphaned > Fettes private school > Oxford > Navy > MI:6 . I like to think he has no recent past and every new Bond actor is a clean slate but obviously that isn't the case because there are several references to Tracy in movies after OHMSS. Maybe Tracy is just part of the backstory for those incarnations of Bond.
Are the Daniel Craig movies a true reboot? Almost everything is new except M. Blofeld's appearance and his backstory definitely make it hard to imagine that he is the same character (though modernised) as the previous incarnations who all appeared to be the same person despite the multiple actors.
I've read things where people try and put all the movies in some sort of canonical order which seems really weird to me.
What if they bring back Waltz but not Craig for the next film, it seems like we are in a continuity mess.
and no it still can't be a code name
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yes. Completely separate continuity.
Why does Craig look like Solomon Grundy here?
Yeah, it was a good doc. I lol'd @ Brosnan saying he really liked doing Goldeneye but couldn't even remember his others because they were so ludicrous.
Original Series: Dr. No --> Die Another Day
New Series: Casino Royale --> present
The reason M wasn't recast between DAD and CR was because they just liked Judi Dench in the role.
oops, yeah. Just a bad copy pasted job
Since we are all ranking:
1. Casino Royale
2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
3. From Russia with Love
4. The Living Daylights
5. The Spy Who Loved Me
6. GoldenEye
7. Licence to Kill
8. Goldfinger
9. Dr. No
10. Skyfall
11. Live and Let Die
12. Spectre
13. For Your Eyes Only
14. Quantum of Solace
15. Thunderball
16. Moonraker
17. The Man with the Golden Gun
18. You Only Live Twice
19. Diamonds Are Forever
20. Octopussy
21. Tomorrow Never Dies
22. The World Is Not Enough
23. A View to a Kill
24. Die Another Day
Yes, I realize I have Moonraker rather high compared to the norm. But Moonraker is FUN. AVTAK and DAD are not only bad movies but boring and hard to get through. Moonraker is bad and enjoyable at the same time.
1. Casino Royale
2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
3. From Russia with Love
4. The Living Daylights
5. The Spy Who Loved Me
6. GoldenEye
7. Licence to Kill
8. Goldfinger
9. Dr. No
10. Skyfall
11. Live and Let Die
12. Spectre
13. For Your Eyes Only
14. Quantum of Solace
15. Thunderball
16. Moonraker
17. The Man with the Golden Gun
18. You Only Live Twice
19. Diamonds Are Forever
20. Octopussy
21. Tomorrow Never Dies
22. The World Is Not Enough
23. A View to a Kill
24. Die Another Day
Yes, I realize I have Moonraker rather high compared to the norm. But Moonraker is FUN. AVTAK and DAD are not only bad movies but boring and hard to get through. Moonraker is bad and enjoyable at the same time.
You are lucky, you have 2 of of what are consistently named top 5 Bond films to watch! And the very very solid LTK to boot.
Get to work on those Daltons immediately.
I hadn't seen FRWL or OHMSS until I picked up the box set late last year and they both quickly became favourites. It's never too late.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Yeah, go enjoy some quality Bond!
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