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[Ushojax]

QoS was a Bourne film, except not as good

If you treat it as a coda to CR it works just fine. As a Bond movie in and of itself it's just too scatter-shot. I get that they were going for a lean film designed to reflect Bond's vengeful mood but the lack of exposition was frequently jarring and the opening 20 minutes is incredibly confusing on first viewing.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

QoS can't have been a Bourne film, it had character developemt! Ba-dump-bump!

QoS has its issues, but there's a really great movie there if you forgive them.

 

[Hot Coldman]

If you treat it as a coda to CR it works just fine. As a Bond movie in and of itself it's just too scatter-shot. I get that they were going for a lean film designed to reflect Bond's vengeful mood but the lack of exposition was frequently jarring and the opening 20 minutes is incredibly confusing on first viewing.

OK, yes, you're right. Here's I believe a better analogy than my previous one: QoS is like the last level on a video game, when the last bits of exposition have happened, and then it's just you clearing through dudes and taking out the final boss.

Or it's the last 40 minutes of Bad Boys II, to CR's first 107 minutes of Bad Boys II.

EDIT: Solo, crap, I forgot about that bit. A great scene, indeed.

 

[Solo]

You will not find a scene as raw or as poignant in a Bond film outside of OHMSS or CR as Mathis' death in QoS. That alone puts it a cut above. Not to mention that it has the Bond character at his most self medicating and self loathing self, true to the source.

 

[KittenMaster]

I think the pacing is fine. I think what he perhaps meant is that its very oddly structured. I mean, name another action movie that has almost all its action in the first act, then becomes a suspense thriller in the second act, and then becomes a love story in the third act.

The second and third acts are basically how the novel was structured and the movie was faithful to that. The whole first act in the movie was like, a single sentence in the novel (and was about brothels).

You will not find a scene as raw or as poignant in a Bond film outside of OHMSS or CR as Mathis' death in QoS. That alone puts it a cut above.

This leads me to how I decided to reason out QoS after watching it a 2nd time. It's like it's two different movies going on at once and one of them is good and one of them is bad.

 

[thefro]

Wouldn't he be considered an orphan if his parents died when he was a child?

Yep, and that's what happened in both the Fleming novels and in the Craig bond timeline (which they put on the Casino Royale website). After his parents died in a climbing accident he was raised by his aunt.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Those two girls are so gorgeous.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Skyfall? Whatever happened to Blood Stone? Or was that just a game?

 

[Divius]

Skyfall? Whatever happened to Blood Stone? Or was that just a game?

Game.

I still prefer Property of a Lady but am fine with Skyfall as well.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Skyfall? Whatever happened to Blood Stone? Or was that just a game?

Just a game.

A mediocre, unsatisfying game.

 

[Angry Fork]

I'm still hesitant to see Quantum of Solace because I've heard it has none of the suave, character kind of things from Casino Royale. Casino Royale was so fucking awesome, I especially loved the card game scenes too which I was surprised to hear many didn't like. Is Quantum of Solace just shakycam action the whole way through?

 

[Solo]

I'm still hesitant to see Quantum of Solace because I've heard it has none of the suave, character kind of things from Casino Royale.

You flat out heard wrong.

 

[Jadedx]

Daniel Craig is one of THE WORST Bonds ever.

Both Casino Royal and Quantom of Solice were horrible, the latter being the worst of the two.

 

[Peru]

You're banned from this thread.

 

[Solo]

You're banned from this thread.

He's banned from life.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Daniel Craig is one of THE WORST Bonds ever.

Both Casino Royal and Quantom of Solice were horrible, the latter being the worst of the two.

Worse than thinking Community S1 is better than Community S2

 

[badcrumble]

QoS is just as much of a love letter to Bond as a character as CR is. It doesn't stand on its own, no - it's the most explicitly 'sequel' bond ever, and is absolutely meant as a coda to CR - but it's a fantastic fucking coda.

QoS has fantastic character moments in it, too, like Mathis' death as Solo mentioned, or little things like Bond grabbing the motorcycle from the bike messenger, or that beautiful, quiet moment of confrontation at the opera - a perfect, poetic image of Bond against a small army of security personnel, and you can tell he knows that the odds are in his favor. So good.

 

[polyh3dron]

Daniel Craig is one of THE WORST Bonds ever.

Both Casino Royal and Quantom of Solice were horrible, the latter being the worst of the two.

Your opinions are always so wrong that it's hysterical.

 

[Blablurn]

skyfall sounds nice.

 

[thezerofire]

Daniel Craig is one of THE WORST Bonds ever.

Both Casino Royal and Quantom of Solice were horrible, the latter being the worst of the two.

Daniel Craig is probably the most true to the source Bond yet.

 

[Solo]

QoS is just as much of a love letter to Bond as a character as CR is.

Correct. Whole post was great, but this in particular rings true. I expect Skyfall will drown us in another heaping mound of character study goodness. Can't wait.

 

[fierrotlepou]

Daniel Craig is one of THE WORST Bonds ever.

Both Casino Royal and Quantom of Solice were horrible, the latter being the worst of the two.

Well, stop watching bond films then. Stupid troll.

 

[reilo]

QoS problem definitely wasn't Bond as a character or the exposition of him. It was the general plotline and how disjointed the movie was at times.

The cinematography was stunning though, especially when the hotel was burning was beautifully shot, but it just felt meaningless.

 

[- J - D -]

QoS had really choppily edited action scenes. More so than CR.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Daniel Craig is probably the most true to the source Bond yet.

Exactly. Not only that, but he looks like Sean Connery during his Bond days.

That said... QoS sucked.

 

[Jadedx]

Your opinions are always so wrong that it's hysterical.

Gaf's opinions on most things are usually terrible. For example Community, Arrested Development, Boardwalk Empire, Free Agents, and Playboy Club. There is a reason most of those show get low ratings/cancelled; they suck.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Gaf's opinions on most things are usually terrible. For example Community, Arrested Development, Boardwalk Empire, Free Agents, and Playboy Club. There is a reason most of those show get low ratings/cancelled; they suck.

That's just like your opini- actually screw it, you aren't worth Jeff Bridges quotes

 

[- J - D -]

Gaf's opinions on most things are usually terrible. For example Community, Arrested Development, Boardwalk Empire, Free Agents, and Playboy Club. There is a reason most of those show get low ratings/cancelled; they suck.

Oh my god. You're awful.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I'm still hesitant to see Quantum of Solace because I've heard it has none of the suave, character kind of things from Casino Royale. Casino Royale was so fucking awesome, I especially loved the card game scenes too which I was surprised to hear many didn't like. Is Quantum of Solace just shakycam action the whole way through?

Go watch it! It's a good movie. Very much CR Part 2 in my opinion. While I wasn't a huge fan of the shaky cam Bourne stuff, it is a really good movie and a good follow up to CR.

 

[thezerofire]

Gaf's opinions on most things are usually terrible. For example Community, Arrested Development, Boardwalk Empire, Free Agents, and Playboy Club. There is a reason most of those show get low ratings/cancelled; they suck.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Gaf's opinions on most things are usually terrible. For example Community, Arrested Development, Boardwalk Empire, Free Agents, and Playboy Club. There is a reason most of those show get low ratings/cancelled; they suck.

Now you started a war. Leave before the fire rises.

 

[badcrumble]

CR and QoS feel like they were made in an alternate universe in which the Bond movies all aspire to be From Russia With Love instead of You Only Live Twice. A better universe.

 

[Solo]

CR and QoS feel like they were made in an alternate universe in which the Bond movies all aspire to be From Russia With Love instead of You Only Live Twice. A better universe.

I like the cut of your jib.

 

[Peru]

You Only Live Twice is great, but you're right that quite a few Bonds try to be equally charmingly silly and fail.

 

[badcrumble]

You Only Live Twice is great, but you're right that quite a few Bonds try to be equally charmingly silly and fail.

Oh I'm not saying it's bad at all. I love the movie. I just don't think that it's what the series ought to be aiming for.

 

[Blader]

I'm still hesitant to see Quantum of Solace because I've heard it has none of the suave, character kind of things from Casino Royale. Casino Royale was so fucking awesome, I especially loved the card game scenes too which I was surprised to hear many didn't like. Is Quantum of Solace just shakycam action the whole way through?

Quantum of Solace is very character-driven, but it's also very understated about it.

The plot of the film is admittedly weak, but Bond's arc is very strong, so long as you realize that there's more to the character than puns and pick-up lines.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

The QoS love makes me proud.

Can't wait for Skyfall.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Daniel Craig is one of THE WORST Bonds ever.

Both Casino Royal and Quantom of Solice were horrible, the latter being the worst of the two.

WTF no. CR is the best Bond movie i have watched and i watched them all. CR humanizes Bond, instead of making him so cool unbeatable and bla bla.

 

[Discotheque]

I wouldn't go that far, From Russia with Love still exists.

 

[v0yce]

Blows my mind how that got into the movie then. I mean how can you include a scene that makes every single one in the cinema go "Hey, what? That can't be right"

Oh come one. The parkour/construction scene and the lady in the middle of the road/car crash in CR were pretty ridiculous.

I thought QoS was pretty great with a dud of an ending. Mathieu Amalric was fantastic.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I wouldn't go that far, From Russia with Love still exists.

For me it´s about humanizing the man Bond. IIRC in all the other movies, Bond kills, shags and does not have emotion. Dalton had it, but i don´t like him as Bond. CR made Bond from superhuman to just a human. That´s why it´s my favorite Bond movie.

 

[Tobor]

I wouldn't go that far, From Russia with Love still exists.

Yes.

While I'm fine with the modernization of Bond, and I really like Craig, I would still like to see more of the classic elements(Moneypenny, Q), and it sounds like I'll be happy with Skyfall.

To dream a moment, what I'd really like to see is a period Bond film that returns to the 60's. Not tongue in cheek or campy, but played straight up. That could be so amazing.

 

[FStop7]

I'm still hesitant to see Quantum of Solace because I've heard it has none of the suave, character kind of things from Casino Royale. Casino Royale was so fucking awesome, I especially loved the card game scenes too which I was surprised to hear many didn't like. Is Quantum of Solace just shakycam action the whole way through?

QoS is really good until the end 'battle'. And one of the villains is a cigar chomping South American dictator who is so ott that he reeks of Roger Moore era Bond films.

 

[reilo]

The parkour scene was ridiculous? What the hell? Ridiculously awesome, if anything.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Daniel Craig seems to just get better and better as an actor.

 

[Expendable.]

Daniel Craig seems to just get better and better as an actor.

Yeah, being in two of the biggest bombs of the year sure helps.

 

[Gila]

Yeah, being in two of the biggest bombs of the year sure helps.

The year isn't done yet

 

[v0yce]

The parkour scene was ridiculous? What the hell? Ridiculously awesome, if anything.

I liked it too. I was just saying that I don't think walking away from a parachute opening late is any more silly than James Bond sprinting up a moving crane or especially the CR car crash (which I think is a terrible scene in a otherwise brilliant flick).

 

[Expendable.]

The year isn't done yet

I can not freaking wait for Tintin and Dragon Tattoo, but I can see each of those not doing so well. Both were expensive as hell, but I do hope they succeed!

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I liked it too. I was just saying that I don't think walking away from a parachute opening late is any more silly than James Bond sprinting up a moving crane or especially the CR car crash (which I think is a terrible scene in a otherwise brilliant flick).

What's wrong with the car crash?