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Japan mayor says wartime sex slaves were necessary

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/05/2013514103943104645.html

The Japanese military's forced prostitution of Asian women before and during World War II was necessary to "maintain discipline" in the ranks and provide rest for soldiers, an outspoken nationalist mayor has said.

The comments made on Monday are already raising anger in neighbouring countries that bore the brunt of Japan's wartime aggression, and that have long complained that Japan has failed to make amends for wartime atrocities.

Toru Hashimoto, the young, brash mayor of Osaka who is also co-leader of an emerging conservative political party, also told reporters that there was not clear evidence that the Japanese military coerced women to become what are euphemistically called "comfort women".

"To maintain discipline in the military, it must have been necessary at that time," said Hashimoto. "For soldiers who risked their lives in circumstances where bullets are flying around like rain and wind, if you want them to get some rest, a comfort women system was necessary. That's clear to anyone."

Historians say up to 200,000 women, mainly from the Korean Peninsula and China, were forced to provide sex for Japanese soldiers in military brothels.

In South Korea's capital Seoul, the foreign ministry expressed disappointment over what it called a senior Japanese official's serious lack of historical understanding and respect for women's rights.

It asked Japan's leadership figures to look back on their country's imperial past, including grave human rights violations that were committed, and correct their anachronistic historical views.

'Indignant comments'

China's foreign ministry criticised the mayor's comments and saw them as further evidence of a rightward drift in Japanese politics under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

"We are appalled and indignant about the Japanese politician's comments boldly challenging humanity and historical justice,'' Hong Lei, the ministry's spokesman, said at a daily media briefing.

"The way they treat the past will determine the way Japan walks toward the future. On what choice Japan will make, the Asian neighbors and the international community will wait and see."

Asked about a photo of Abe in a fighter jet with the number 731, the number of a notorious, secret Japanese unit that performed chemical and biological experiments on Chinese in World War II, Hong again urged Japan not to whitewash history so as to improve relations with countries that suffered under Japanese occupation.

"There is a mountain of definitive iron-hard evidence for the crimes they committed in the Second World War. We hope Japan will face and contemplate their history of aggression and treat it correctly,'' Hong said.

Abe posed, thumbs up, in the aircraft during a weekend visit to northeastern Japan.

Last week, Japan acknowledged that it conducted only a limited investigation before claiming there was no official evidence that its imperial troops coerced women into sexual slavery before and during World War II.

A parliamentary statement signed by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe last Tuesday said that the government had a set of documents produced by a postwar international military tribunal containing testimony by Japanese soldiers about abducting Chinese women as military sex slaves.

That evidence apparently was not included in Japan's only investigation of the issue, in 1991-1993.

Tuesday's parliamentary statement also said documents showing forcible sex slavery may still exist. The statement did not say whether the government plans to consider the documents as evidence showing that troops had coerced women into sexual slavery.

I guess every country has their own "tea party" people.

But seriously Japan, quit acting like what you did in WW2 was justified in any way.
 

zoukka

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But seriously Japan, quit acting like what you did in WW2 was justified in any way.

But it was justified. Not morally of course, but in terms of the military functioning better. And that's justification enough for a lot of people in this world unfortunately.

A lot of war time atrocities get sweeped under the "it had to be done" rug.
 

Mesoian

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Japanese Mayoral candidates have to have a certain amount of crazy to be able to apply.

Ishihara went on daily racist, homophobic, xenophobic rants and still managed to hold power for damn near 20 years. Hell, now that he's not mayor anymore and just a lobbyist, he STILL gets to spout that stuff and force people to listen to him.
 

Shouta

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Hashimoto is such a moron. It's amazing anyone like him can get elected in Japan but I guess that goes to show how shit their political system is.
 

Akuun

Looking for meaning in GAF
Fucking disgusting.
But seriously Japan, quit acting like what you did in WW2 was justified in any way.
Seriously. Japan has a history of sweeping all their own sins under the rug while playing the "we got hit by the atomic bomb" victim card for all it's worth. The atomic bombs were indeed horrible, but Japan needs to also own up to their own shit.
 
i think shit like this is proof enough that us men shouldn't be allowed to fight wars. if we as humans are going pick up weapons and try to destroy each other over politics, let women only do it and see what happens. probably at least no mass scale rapes, i'd guess.

yea i'm a self-hating man, we are just way too aggressive :/
 

Kurita

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i think shit like this is proof enough that us men shouldn't be allowed to fight wars. if we as humans are going pick up weapons and try to destroy each other over politics, let women only do it and see what happens. probably at least no mass scale rapes, i'd guess.

yea i'm a self-hating man, we are just way too aggressive :/

Women can rape people too you know.
 

akira28

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i think shit like this is proof enough that us men shouldn't be allowed to fight wars. if we as humans are going pick up weapons and try to destroy each other over politics, let women only do it and see what happens. probably at least no mass scale rapes, i'd guess.

yea i'm a self-hating man, we are just way too aggressive :/

Don't underestimate the ability of a woman to do evil and wrong. They're just as capable of rounding us all into circles and emptying their ammo clips into us and burying us in massive pits. Especially if that's what "needs" to be done.

Probably fewer rapes though.
 

Polari

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I don't what everyone's getting so outraged about. I obviously find it reprehensible that he's claiming these women weren't coerced into it, but in terms of keeping morale up, finding ways to get soldiers laid is pretty common. I'm not saying it's right, but from a purely strategic perspective it probably makes sense.
 
There are a couple of ways to interpret his comments

  • Forcing women to sleep with soldiers was justified
  • The soldiers needed sex to keep up morale
 

buhdeh

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Well, I hope they remember this if China and Korea ever invade Japan.

Also, do they really think saying stuff like this

Last week, Japan acknowledged that it conducted only a limited investigation before claiming there was no official evidence that its imperial troops coerced women into sexual slavery before and during World War II.

is helping the situation with Korean/Chinese animosity towards Japan? Both countries would probably be happy to sit idle if North Korea were to obliterate Japan.
 

Man

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Remember seeing a documentary on Discovery in regards to WW2. One random interviewed persons mom was raped by 20 Russian soldiers in one day. She then took her kids with her into the river trying to drown them all but relatives stopped them.
 

Suairyu

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I don't what everyone's getting so outraged about. I obviously find it reprehensible that he's claiming these women weren't coerced into it, but in terms of keeping morale up, finding ways to get soldiers laid is pretty common. I'm not saying it's right, but from a purely strategic perspective it probably makes sense.
Of course that shit happened in war. The allies raped and pillaged their way through Germany.

It doesn't mean a politician should justify it. The outrage is that an elected official from a country with a history of pissing off its neighbours with denial and history re-writing (had Japan orchestrated the Holocaust, the government would deny it) is now acting like it was justified.

Rape is never justified. Just because it was a sad reality/inevitability back then, doesn't mean it should be accepted as okay.
 

zoukka

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Remember seeing a documentary on Discovery in regards to WW2. One random interviewed persons mom was raped by 20 Russian soldiers in one day. She then took her kids with her into the river trying to drown them all but relatives stopped them.

It's been part of what armies do in warfare since the dawn of man.
 

LQX

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Man, so much of what Japan did before and during WWII is totally forgotten/glossed over. They did some fucked up shit that was no better than Hitler. Moreover most times you cant point it out without someone pointing to those two Atomic bombs dropping on them, as if that squelches what they did.
 

Polari

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Of course that shit happened in war. The allies raped and pillaged their way through Germany.

It doesn't mean a politician should justify it. The outrage is that an elected official from a country with a history of pissing off its neighbours with denial and history re-writing (had Japan orchestrated the Holocaust, the government would deny it) is now acting like it was justified.

Rape is never justified. Just because it was a sad reality/inevitability back then, doesn't mean it should be accepted as okay.

Re-reading the quotes, you're right. I understand how it was seen as necessary from a strategic perspective at the time, but that in no way justifies it.
 

gabbo

Member
Fucking disgusting.

Seriously. Japan has a history of sweeping all their own sins under the rug while playing the "we got hit by the atomic bomb" victim card for all it's worth. The atomic bombs were indeed horrible, but Japan needs to also own up to their own shit.

They aren't alone in doing this, but this .. this is pretty damn bad.
 

Opiate

Member
No matter where you come from, I'm sure your country has also done terrible things in the past which it felt it "had to do."

Therefore, no one has ever done anything wrong.
 

Ferrio

Banned
"Our troops", how specific of you.

Our troops, all troops. Whatever. It's something that's been around since the dawn of war. It's in no way excusable on any side. My point being that we should be angry at everyone involved, not just one nation.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
I don't what everyone's getting so outraged about. I obviously find it reprehensible that he's claiming these women weren't coerced into it, but in terms of keeping morale up, finding ways to get soldiers laid is pretty common. I'm not saying it's right, but from a purely strategic perspective it probably makes sense.

It's all in the context and the source of the quote. It'd be like a holocaust denier trying to justify the gassing of the Jews.
 
Dropping the bombs on Japan was questionable, but I've been told by my history teacher that Truman had the decision to fight the war longer costing more American lives or end it quicker attacking Japanese civilians.
 
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