MultiCore
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You should check out this article on Xiph.org about high res audio:
http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
Also, if you want to see video proof , they have this awesome video as well.
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Jay-Z takes to Twitter to damage control Tidal rollout
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http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
Also, if you want to see video proof , they have this awesome video as well.
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No, we are not forgetting equipment makes a difference. We are saying that lossless vs 320 doesn't make a difference when listened to on the same equipment, be it junk or the world's finest equipment.
Ah, yes magic ears. You are hitting all the tropes.
And hang on a minute, Tidal HiFi was radically better over Tidal High just a post ago. A potent effect isn't it ...
old manatee
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I took a bunch of cds and made my own flac and 320 files to blind test my audiophile friend on his stereo after he wouldn't stop talking about how much better flac sounded. He didn't even try to guess which files were which. He just admitted straight away that they sounded the same.
Also, maybe Jay-Z would have better luck getting that Phil Knight money if Tidal was staffed by children workers.
Also, maybe Jay-Z would have better luck getting that Phil Knight money if Tidal was staffed by children workers.
The whole point is that I am comparing two different services audio quality.
There is no scientific study that will confirm that Tidal Lossless vs Spotify extreme is indistinguishable by ear. Because they are patently different.
Again, whether this is a virtue of Tidal's lossless compression, or the shitty quality of Spotify's streams, is irrelevant to me. Tidal sounds better than Spotify on my gear, period.
This other dude can claim all he wants that what I am hearing is a placebo, end of the day, he has no idea how I am listening to music.
You know that this is 100% placebo right? You can't do a blind test so none of your conclusions are based on reality. Researchers do these type of tests all the time with wine and stuff where labels on the cups (even random letters) will affect how they perceive the content.
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He is saying you are mischaracterizing Tidal's advantage as being due to the Lossless version, when in reality, you are not hearing a lossless advantage. You should be comparing Tidal 320 to Spotify 320 and don't make it sound like you believe lossless is the advantage.
How did Tidal HiFi go from being radically better than Tidal's 320 option to of miniscule difference in the space of one post if it wasn't a placebo effect?
And if the word HiFi had that much effect on you, I'm guessing the word Spotify must be horrendous.
Pay for whichever service you prefer, we're just saying that you definitely don't need to pay double for lossless as it has no advantage over 320k AAC and you're not getting anything better from your equipment by using it.
lastflowers
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I'm just glad I could never be suckered into the great cable debates.
The Faceless Master
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i thought the radically better was Spotify 320 vs Tidal HiFi
Billy_Pilgrim
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It's 2015, and the music industry still doesn't understand that the only way they'll ever stay relevant, make money or combat piracy is by making their product easier to access.
I love how he's turning his poor business decisions into a persecution complex because there's NO POSSIBLE WAY it could be his fault or anything.
He said Tidal at 320 didn't offer the radically better sound over Spotify that Tidal HiFi did.
But then said the difference between Tidal at 320 and HiFi was a miniscule difference.
So if Tidal at 320 doesn't sound radically better than Spotify and sounds the same as Tidal HiFi, then does the service sound radically better at all?
Basically placebo effect all over the shop, and also a good example of why no one should be paying for the lossless tier.
Risible
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Oh, I see you speak bullshit, where did you study?
Dear Audiophiles, just having fun, please don't blow a gasket.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/music/tidal-update-video-rising-artists/
Tidal gets $5 Student pricing and new UI. Think I might finally take the plunge now.
Tidal gets $5 Student pricing and new UI. Think I might finally take the plunge now.
Wrong link?
Sorry I could have sworn I read it there but The Verge has more:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/3/8714231/jay-z-tidal-music-streaming-fail-succeed
Tidal loses another interim CEO, 2nd this year.
http://venturebeat.com/2015/06/23/j...rvice-tidal-loses-interim-ceo-after-3-months/
http://venturebeat.com/2015/06/23/j...rvice-tidal-loses-interim-ceo-after-3-months/
ThankYouDaletech
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Lol using hi fidelity audio as a selling point when the average person thinks beats or Bose make great products.
Funky Papa
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That is not good.
Bose is overpriced but does make some quality products. The QCs are still the best noise-canceling headphones, imo.
damn dude did not stay long enough to set up his desk
The entire situation was already not good. Changing leadership swiftly is perhaps the best course of action towards righting the ship. They don't have much time especially with Apple Music looming.
dskillzhtown
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I agree with this. Coming out and talking about how they are taking out the middle man and artists own the service, I thought they would say they are passing the savings on to the customer. But instead they went in the opposite direction. Then trying to guilt trip customers on top of that.
It was not available in the US for a looooong time. Remember that it is a Swedish company.
From Wikipedia:
So 10 million in two years.
What of it?
It didn't take 9 years, it took 7. So he's bullshitting.
He's still way short of 10m in two years. He doesn't have 1m and we're coming up on a year really soon. And the market isn't losing players.
Dreams-Visions
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Tidal's issue is that their marketing started off poorly conceived and seemed to be designed to rely on the viral method or otherwise word of mouth rather than properly paying for ads, TV spots, banners, billboards, etc around the world.
If they had followed through with a heavy marketing campaign (maybe $30 mill?) that focused on the features with people's favorite musicians using the service, it would have quickly offset the weak reveal. Whether people would have become paying members is anyone's guess, but there wouldn't be this lack of people who even know about the service...and those that had heard of the service wouldn't still only have the reveal and days that followed as their only point of reference for what Tidal is.
As for Tidal vs Spotify...well if the above is true, then it's most likely less about your audio equipment and more about the compression or source files Spotify is offering. a 320 AAC file from a shit source is going to sound like shit. If Tidal's source files are of higher quality to start with, it's entirely reasonable that you would have gotten a better experience from Tidal's various quality settings compared to Spotify's. In fact, considering you said Tidal's 320 tracks sound better than Spotify's 320 tracks, that's almost certainly what's happened here. Either Spotify's source files suck asshole juice OR their audio compression system sucks hot asshole juice.
If you really want an answer to the question here, you'd need to do an audio spectrogram for all 3 song files and see where the differences lie.
If they had followed through with a heavy marketing campaign (maybe $30 mill?) that focused on the features with people's favorite musicians using the service, it would have quickly offset the weak reveal. Whether people would have become paying members is anyone's guess, but there wouldn't be this lack of people who even know about the service...and those that had heard of the service wouldn't still only have the reveal and days that followed as their only point of reference for what Tidal is.
Considering the difference between Tidal's 2 audio quality settings was "minimal" as you described it, it's likely you probably wouldn't have been able to tell which is which in an A/B.
As for Tidal vs Spotify...well if the above is true, then it's most likely less about your audio equipment and more about the compression or source files Spotify is offering. a 320 AAC file from a shit source is going to sound like shit. If Tidal's source files are of higher quality to start with, it's entirely reasonable that you would have gotten a better experience from Tidal's various quality settings compared to Spotify's. In fact, considering you said Tidal's 320 tracks sound better than Spotify's 320 tracks, that's almost certainly what's happened here. Either Spotify's source files suck asshole juice OR their audio compression system sucks hot asshole juice.
If you really want an answer to the question here, you'd need to do an audio spectrogram for all 3 song files and see where the differences lie.
ThankYouDaletech
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All noise canceling headphones sound bad because they are noise canceling headphones. If youre buying something that isn't good, why spend extra money for the 'best' version. It's just another brand aimed at the conspicuous consumption market.
LyleLanley
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What?
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Well I don't see what's wrong with it as that's huge for majority of artist on tour. It's like having your own personal Songkick in your app which will allow people to support their artist beyond streaming their music.
Plus I work in the ticket resale business and I'll tell anyone to seek their tickets on ticketmaster before it hits those channels because the price will skyrocket. That's a huge deal whether you like it or not.
It's definitely not something they don't appreciate either as TM hates resale and will do shady things to make it hard for people to resell their tickets.
you have problems with music streaming as a barrier to a music industry that's fair to artists and consumers
annnnnnnnd you work in the ticket resale business
ok bruv
LyleLanley
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Just got this email, I guess this is their response to Apple Music.
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