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It's said that Whedon is "only seen as a feminist purely outta the fact that he's willing to make physically strong female leads and nothing else in a industry that wont" for a reason it seems.
Yeah, I remember reading a friend's fanfic once where he was fixated on the guy being naked for the first chapter.This part is killing me.
You know people are trying to work in fetish shit when they focus on specific details like this more than other things. I learned that when taking art requests from people.
I'm...just going to blame it on the Kathmandu drugs
But really, some white people are trippin'
Not often.
Buffy was frequently the least interesting thing in the show with her name on it.
Joss Whedon has always fluctuated between a decent human being an a cynical asshole.
Yeah, I don't know how anyone could call Angel consistent outside of the super divisive season 4. All the other seasons frequently veer between "That was amazing" and "Holy shit that was terrible". Some of the episodes in the first three seasons are just atrocious.
I'm...just going to blame it on the Kathmandu drugs
But really, some white people are trippin'
Xander should have died instead of Tara.
You sure about that?That's not what I'm saying?
Whedon himself said he was never pleased with his script and this was a draft, an outline, intended to be rewritten and reworked.
You managed to miss that one? Lucky.
I never actually watched the special where it was "revealed" (I don't even think it aired here, though I could be wrong) but there's an article about it here - http://io9.gizmodo.com/5959794/the-firefly-episode-were-really-glad-joss-whedon-didnt-get-to-make
And executive producer Tim Minear explained about one episode that Joss Whedon pitched early on:
She had this magic syringe. She would take this drug. And if she were, for instance, raped, the rapist would die a horrible death. The story was that she gets kidnapped by Reavers and when Mal finally got to the ship to save her from the Reavers, he gets on the Reaver ship and all the Reavers are dead. Which would suggest a kind of really bad assault. At the end of the episode, he comes in after she's been horribly brutalized, and he comes in and he gets down on his knee, and he takes her hand. And he treats her like a lady. And that's the kind of stuff that we wanted to do. It was very dark. And this was actually the first story that Joss pitched to me when he asked me to come work on the show. He said, 'These are the kind of stories we're going to do.'
You sure about that?
Where is he dismissing the sexism of his script?You know he can be shaky on his own script and also have a desire to see where it eventually would've lead, right?
Let me tell you about Black Widow and how shes a barren monster just like the Hulk
You managed to miss that one? Lucky.
I never actually watched the special where it was "revealed" (I don't even think it aired here, though I could be wrong) but there's an article about it here - http://io9.gizmodo.com/5959794/the-firefly-episode-were-really-glad-joss-whedon-didnt-get-to-make
Slayven into kinkshamingWait, what's wrong with this...?
Where is he dismissing the sexism of his script?
You said he's been shaky on his own script.He wasn't asked about this particular script? What kind of comment is this? Why would he say "I had a great idea for a Wonder Woman movie I would've liked to have made, but also one confidential draft of the script had some sexism so I'd like to dismiss that element of it?"
You managed to miss that one? Lucky.
I never actually watched the special where it was "revealed" (I don't even think it aired here, though I could be wrong) but there's an article about it here - http://io9.gizmodo.com/5959794/the-firefly-episode-were-really-glad-joss-whedon-didnt-get-to-make
Wow. I wonder how many drafts in this was. Often the first draft is very "anything goes" before you can go back and make big decisions and improvements.
But yeah some of this sounds intensely bad
Seeing this in context for the first time... The phrase "treating her like a lady" is wobbly, but honestly what they describe sounds like a good scene and a dark but decent as fuck plot.
I gotta disagree.
Despite Inara using the serum, it makes her a victim doubly over, a victim who's then treated "like a lady" by a scoundrel.
You're also then asking two actors to act that shit out in a sci fi show. Guy who played Spike on Buffy put it best - "you don't know what you're asking us to do."
Avengers 2 really effed him up, huh
Yeah but the whole scoundrel/"lady" thing was Mal/Inara's schtick.
That said, i guess this is taking it way too seriously - that scene would have been a prime and appropriate time for Mal to shake off that pretense and him/the others to take it seriously. Because it's clearly serious.
I was picturing the scene with Mal in borderline tears, they both traumatised af, but yeah ur right. It falls apart the most when you imagine the scene with Jane or Wash or someone instead of Inara.
I've always heard people mention this, but never knew what they were getting at.
Wait, what's wrong with this...?
You said he's been shaky on his own script.
Trying to put a black man in a dog collar, and "science fiction lesbians with a side of bondage"
The movie we got even pays homage to that asThat scene is clearly meant as a culture clash moment. They're both ignorant of each other's culture and history. Do you think it's endorsing something more sinister...?
And your second point: whilst it is a colourful summary from a colourful character, it's also a pretty apt summary of the original comic. Wonder Woman's origins are tied to bondage and sex, if you'll forgive the pun.
You said he's been shaky on his own script.
WTF. Still looking forward to that Whedon take on Batgirl?
Yeah, maybe he'll change his outlook in year or two or nine.Guess I won't be supporting Wheldon anymore. This script is utterly horrifying.
A lot of people are also ignoring the fact that the people in this thread who actually bothered to read the whole script and read the excerpts in context are saying it's really not that bad.
I know it's the GAF way to jump to conclusions and faux outrage over sounbites and blogger interpretations without reading the entire context, but, you now, maybe read the script?
No, they don't. Seasons 2 and 3 are basically non-stop fantastic.
I know hating literally everything is "your thing" but Angel is one of the most consistent genre shows ever.
(You never reply to people when they argue with you though so I don't know why I bother.)
WTF. Still looking forward to that Whedon take on Batgirl?
Can't do that, there's something to be angry about and someone we will never know personally to be judged as an asshole forever over it damn it!!!
Yeah, no. Season 2 ended with that awful Pylea arc and then season 3 had episodes like Dad, Birthday and Provider stinking it up after Connor was born.
Call me crazy but maybe it's better to judge Whedon on the stuff that was produced instead of a draft which ended up in a drawer.WTF. Still looking forward to that Whedon take on Batgirl?