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June 2008: Battleground for PC Graphics - Geforce GTX 200 v Radeon HD 4800
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Durante said:
Not all of them use the reference design. For the 4870 specifically, most of the manufacturers are still getting theirs to retail, but Powercolor is already selling one: PowerColor AX4870 (OC).
ZombieSupaStar
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ok i got my 4870 visiontek card
I made a "cool" profile in the ccc (enabled overdrive and found the xml and set it to manual and speed 65)
does this look normal?
im guessing it down clocks itself to 500 when idle?
I made a "cool" profile in the ccc (enabled overdrive and found the xml and set it to manual and speed 65)
does this look normal?
im guessing it down clocks itself to 500 when idle?
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Well here we go. The HD4870 1GB finally came out. Anandtech was surprised with the results!
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415
They've come in around $280 - $300 and the HD4870-512 should be dropping down in price soon. It's pretty surprising that 512mb of gddr5 still held the core back a bit. I think NV will need another round of price drops soon, seeing how the 1GB is inching pretty damn close to GTX280 territory, passing it sometimes too.
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415
They've come in around $280 - $300 and the HD4870-512 should be dropping down in price soon. It's pretty surprising that 512mb of gddr5 still held the core back a bit. I think NV will need another round of price drops soon, seeing how the 1GB is inching pretty damn close to GTX280 territory, passing it sometimes too.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Kadey said:
How can you say that? Are there even benchmarks comparing the 4870 1GB and the GTX260+? I know there are benchmarks of the GTX260+ in comparison to the old GTX260 and it was an improvement worth its higuer price, but I've never seen the 2 cards being compared.
Oh wait, isnt the GTX260+ the Core 216? It is still scoring lower than the 4870 1GB. Is Nvidia releasing a third GTX260?
Are you really this stupid or must I point out common sense stuff to you all the time? Seriously. I cant' believe someone who is supposed to be so called all tech-savy can't even put one and one together.
From the benchmarks, it's clear the 260+ beats the regular 280 in certain areas and what not. Just like the 48701GB beats the 280 in certain areas and what-not from various benches. Put them side by side, one plus one and woolah!!! They are pretty much equal. Jeez, some people are so god damn stupid. Oh yeah, those benches posted above pretty much says it as well.
From the benchmarks, it's clear the 260+ beats the regular 280 in certain areas and what not. Just like the 48701GB beats the 280 in certain areas and what-not from various benches. Put them side by side, one plus one and woolah!!! They are pretty much equal. Jeez, some people are so god damn stupid. Oh yeah, those benches posted above pretty much says it as well.
Kadey said:
If by that you mean the GTX260 Core 216 that just came out, no :lol
The graphs posted clearly show it losing to the HD4870 1GB (5 out of 7 times).
If nVidia is releasing yet ANOTHER GTX260 branded product, then they can go to hell. Seriously, nVidia's naming scheme this year has been AWFUL. Using the 9800GT/GTX+ as a rebrand of the 8800GT/GTS to trick people is pretty bad. Now they have variants of the GTX260 with a practically identical name, further confusing people? Seriously?
Tenacious-V
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Kadey said:
The GTX260 Core 216 is the GTX 260+, and you can see the results in my post just above. It nullified nothing actually.... The 4870 1GB is basically trading blows with the GTX280 now.
godhandiscen said:
They're one and the same.
Tenacious-V
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Kadey said:
Ummm, not a single one of those benchmarks shows the 260 Core 216 beating the 280. What are you looking at/making up?
Tenacious-V said:
Actually I'm going by two of Guru3d benches. The BFG Maxcore and the EVGA superclocked.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-260-core-216--bfg-ocx-maxcore/1
http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-260-core-216-superclocked-review/
It beats the 280 in certain areas, others being close and others not so close.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Why the temper? I was seriously asking the question. I as I said, i didn't know that Nvidia was releasing a third version. All this time i was thinking the GTX260+ was the core 216. Also, if Nvidia matches the performance of the 48701GB with the GTX260+ its not nullifying it, neither "getting back its crown". Things are just tied as usual.Kadey said:
Then what the heck is Kadey refering to?Tenacious-V said:
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
In 2 benchmarks out of 7. How is that nullifying it, or "getting back the crown"?Chiggs said:
They both are great cards and I bet they are priced according to their performance, I just dont understand Kadey's comments.
godhandiscen said:
It is nullifying it. Meaning whether you get either one, the differences aren't huge enough to totally pick a concrete card over the other. And no where did I say Nvidia was getting back it's crown. I'm applying that with these updates, Nvidia wants it's crown back. Difference.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
If we go by the benchmarks that you saw then yes, it is a tie, but this set of benchmarks shows different. I don't know where your insults come from. Seriously, is it that fucking hard to understand not everybody watches all sets of benchmarks religiously?Kadey said:
Zzoram said:
This year it has been always the same. I could have guessed this.
Tenacious-V
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Kadey said:
The 2 cards you linked to are overclocked. You said the Core216 beats 280 at times, that can never happen at stock speeds because the Core216 and 280 use the exact same core. The difference is less ram on the Core216, lower clock speeds, and 216 cores vs 240 for the GTX280.
Chiggs said:
The 1GB card is at best 10% faster, and only at higher resolutions or in games on the highest texture setting, if that setting uses really large textures. It's not gimped, but it's a nicer card for sure. I have the 512mb, but I understand that this is PC gaming, and I would be waiting forever to build my PC if I was afraid of a better card coming out in the near future.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Either way, I bet the 48701GB is priced a little above the GTX260. I wonder if 4870 1GB's in Crossfire beat a regular 4870x2. I can still return my card I guess.Chiggs said:
So the only game that the new nvidia card does faster is crysis? smells like driver fixing to me but it works to some degree I mean bundle a copy of that game with every higher end geforce gtx 200 and the "dumb" enthusiast out there might think they have the fastest thing on the market. "dumb" - an enthusiast that doesn't read anandtech or tomshardware type sites but just builds stuff . Probably a small group 
bee said:
No way. It doesn't really matter to me. I have an overclocked X2 that destroys them all besides the fact I own just as many ATI products as Nvidia. I started PC gaming because of ATI. But it gets really annoying to the point where I'm actually retaliating this time when God goes all defensive if someone talks about his beloved ATI in a negative way. But ever since he's gotten banned, he's been less aggressive about it and choosing his words wisely. :lol
I'll give credit where it's due though. Just like Bran said, besides a few benches that aren't even totally concrete since it's from one source and using certain settings that don't even pertain to a majority of the consumers out there, there are other things to consider when purchasing. I'm not even going to get into the whole drivers issue. 8.8 official was a disaster.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Are you kidding me? Can I give you my old 3870x2 and some change for it? $150 is what I am selling my 3870x2 for. Guess I should expect $100 for it then. I need a card for my brothers PC, but the 3870x2 is a power consuming beast so his rig cant handle it. What is the power consumption of your GTX260? How does it OC?Chiggs said:
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
bran said:Looking at the graphics, I think: The Witcher, Elder Scrolls at least
Still waiting for nVidia to drop the original GTX 260 to $150 range!
Ummm the Core216 doesn't beat the 280 in either of those games. Did you even read what I wrote?
Kadey said:
Obviously you have some reading comprehension problems.
Tenacious-V said:
Actually you're right though it was all just a misunderstanding on my part. Since I was too busy yelling at God, I skipped over the fact you said the 280 instead of the 4870 in which I would have not agreed with Bran on. Though back to the original argument, the two mid-range cards are pretty even.
And to Zoku, well, it does have versus in the title.