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JURASSIC PARK - A Thread 65 Million Years In The Making

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strafer

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Sam can still rock the hat, as seen in 'The Hunter'. Great movie btw.

Jurassic Park: The Retired Years

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brandonh83

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Make the next Jurassic Park a straight up atmospheric thriller ala Alien-- not really any big action setpieces, just pure terror and suspense. Some sense of wonder, but not extravagant.

Doesn't need a lot of gore, just a good story with some interesting science blended in. Winner.
 
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brandonh83 said:
Make the next Jurassic Park a straight up atmospheric thriller ala Alien-- not really any big action setpieces, just pure terror and suspense. Some sense of wonder, but not extravagant.

Doesn't need a lot of gore, just a good story with some interesting science blended in. Winner.
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Eh, I don't want JP to be a monster movie.. it can be a survival movie, but I want the Dinosaurs to be portrayed more as animals and less as monsters. I don't think the Alien format would work for that..

However, I still say those fucked up JP4 designs would make a kick ass movie unrelated to JP.
 
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I want those designs used for SOME movie. That standing triceratops is awesome.
 
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bengraven said:
I am not a violent person.

I am peaceful and preach understanding. Especially when people are dicks on the internet - I tell people "let it slide man, let it sliiide". "Don't feed the trolls".

But I swear.

to fucking God.

That if they ever gave people a choice between a traditional sci-fi/survival/adventure Jurassic Park and a fucking hybrid with raptor people or cyber raptors and people chose the fucking abomination amalgamation that would be a trashy JP (because "it'd be so hilariously bad lol wouldn't that rock lollololol fuck you") I would fucking flip out on the entire world and I would re-enact Falling Down on a global scale.

Hitler's ghost would be like "scheisse...calm the fawk down ja?".

Stalin would need a vomit bag.

Caligula would join a convent.
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Agreed. This is the dumbest...sure a different movie could use these...or a video game...but not Jurassic Park. It's scary how close this must have come.
 
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jerry1594

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The triceratops is fucking stupid but the others are awesomely creepy. I'd love to see the next Dinocrisis use them considering the last one jumped the freaky space mutant shark.
 
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Demoncarnotaur

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I think that JP4 concept got pretty far along.. Not only did ILM do that render, but Hasbro started working on some toys:

For Jurassic Park 4, I did some really preliminary creature explorations, but I think the ideas were just “blue sky” at that stage. I don’t think I can comment on them at present, beyond saying that I’d be surprised if the story hadn’t changed pretty radically since I produced those drawings. That was a few years ago. I had a good time working on it, as always. ....
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The sort of thing I explored with my sketches had to do with pushing certain aspects of the dinosaurs to make them look more aggressive and vicious. The storyline was pretty amorphous at that point, as far as I understood.
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Read the rest of the interview here.
 
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bengraven

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Secret Fawful said:
Agreed. This is the dumbest...sure a different movie could use these...or a video game...but not Jurassic Park. It's scary how close this must have come.
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Yeah, it's not a hard formula to fuck up. Try another park with some bootleg dinosaurs on another island. Or put the park in Kenya or the southeastern or western USA. Do a prequel with all those insane proto-dinosaurs that Wu promised in the first JP novel - show us that infamous raptor attack that Critchton hinted at in the beginning of that same book.

It's not that hard.

If you want insane dinosaurs, by all fucking means do another movie or a spinoff without the JP in the title. Do a Prometheus like movie with just a tiny shot of "ingen" on a container that passes by the screen too fast to notice. I'm up for more dinosaur films - I'm up for a horrifying dino movie. But don't fuck with Jurassic Park.
 
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So for those wondering about the mutant dino stuff, its all from this script that AICN reviewed in 2004.

I’m pleased to report that this second Sayles draft of JURASSIC PARK 4 sees him working in full exploitation mode. I’ve talked to a number of people about this draft, and it seems to radically divide them in terms of reaction. Some people adore the premise and get excited as soon as they hear it. Some people (including the person who gave it to me) are convinced it’s the worst thing they’ve ever read and a signpost on the road to Hollywood Hell. Personally, I think it’s well-written and certainly inventive, but I also think it just might be the single most bugfuck crazy franchise sequel I’ve ever read, and I’m not sure we’re ever going to see this thing onscreen. It just doesn’t seem possible that Universal would make something this vigorously whacked out.

I spent the entire first act of the script thinking I had it figured out. I knew where it was going. Problem was, every time I thought I had it figured out, something happened that seemed to change the entire premise of the movie.

The script starts at a Little League game somewhere in America, an idyllic scene that quickly goes bad when pterosaurs attack the kids and their parents. It’s a cool scene, and I couldn’t help but immediately anticipate what might lay ahead. Dinosaurs in America. All-out warfare on home soil. This should be fun. In a series of television clips, we learn that this is the first attack on North American ground following months of this sort of thing in Central America and Mexico. The UN has created a task force to exterminate the dinosaurs. Awesome, I thought. A bad-ass heavily-armed United Nations task force versus the dinosaurs. Bring it on! But then the script throws its first major curve ball, introducing Nick Harris, an unemployed soldier of fortune. Nick’s the lead in the movie. Not Alan Grant. Not Ian Malcolm. Despite all the rumors to the contrary, those characters are not back for this film. Instead, we meet Nick as he watches those same reports on TV that we are. He’s approached by an ex-commander of his and offered a meeting about a job. He’s warned that the guy he’d be working for is a little bit strange...

... which brings us to John Hammond. It’s a great cameo role for Richard Attenborough, and he’s said several times that he is looking forward to it. In the script’s single wittiest scene, we catch up with the eccentric ex-billionaire who is now the most-sued man in history according to the Guiness Book Of World Records. He’s been declared incompetent by his heirs and his company has been taken over by other corporations. Technically, Jurassic Park isn’t even his problem anymore, but he still feels responsible for the dinosaurs and the damage they do. Hammond’s got a big idea: breed some new dinosaurs that can’t reproduce and introduce them into the wild population. A Judas strain that will kill off the dinosaurs within one generation. Easy enough, except the UN has outlawed any breeding of new dinosaurs by anyone and they’ve prohibited the sale, mining, or possession of amber worldwide. Hammond’s got scientists ready and waiting to go, but he needs genetic material to work with. As soon as Hammond mentions where that material might come from, I thought for sure that I was ahead of the script again. Oh, of course! The shaving cream can that Nedry stole. He’s going to hire this guy to put together a team of mercenaries, and they’re going to spend the whole film on Isla Nublar getting picked off one-by-one while trying to find the samples.

After all, the first three films are all pretty much carbon copies of each other, excuses to turn people loose on the island. I almost set the script down at that point, disappointed that they’d do something so predictable again after all this talk about how they were going to turn things upside down. Page sixteen, and I was sure I knew the rest of the script without even reading it.

But I was wrong... again.

Nick Harris does indeed got to Isla Nublar, but he goes alone. He does indeed track down the shaving cream can that Nedry stole, but that’s a mere five pages later. And as soon as he finds it, he’s attacked not only by excavaraptors (think trapdoor spiders), but also by security rangers who work for Grendel Corporation, the mysterious Swiss holding company that took over Jurassic Park from Hammond. Seems they want those genetic samples for their own purposes... whatever those may be. Nick has to get off the island, evading his pursuers, human or otherwise. He manages to make it back to the mainland just long enough to hide the shaving cream can before the security team catches up with him and gasses him into unconsciousness.

All of that happens by page 39, at which point I realized I had no idea where this thing was going, and I quit trying to guess. It kept confounding my expectations. It certainly didn’t feel like it was just another rehash of the same formula. When Nick wakes up, he’s in the tower of a medieval castle in the Alps. Seriously. That’s the precise moment when the entire enterprise goes so over-the-top loony that you’ll either go along with it for the entire insane ride or reject it roundly as a big bag of ludicrous. Nick is introduced to Adrien Joyce, the major domo henchman of Baron von Drax, CEO of the Grendel Corporation. Joyce isn’t a moustache-twirling bad guy bent on torturing Nick into revealing where he hid the shaving cream can. Instead, he offers Nick a job, and in order to explain the job to him, he has to take him on a tour of the entire castle, which turns out to be a fairly sophisticated genetics lab where Grendel Corporation has been breeding some dinosaurs of their own design, cross-breeds that never existed in any era of nature with all sorts of custom modifications.

I want to tread lightly on what happens over the course of the rest of the film on the off chance that Mary Parent or someone at Universal is seriously going to make this thing. There’s the eight-year-old-boy side of me that thinks that a DIRTY DOZEN-style mercenary team of hyper-smart dinosaurs in body armor killing drug dealers and rescuing kidnapped children will be impossible to resist. And then there’s the side of me that says... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! Nick is put in charge of training these five dinosaurs, X1 through X5, and the first thing he does is name them. “Any soldier worth his pay has a name to answer to, not a number,” he says. So we are introduced to Achilles, Hector, Perseus, Orestes, and Spartacus, each of them a specially created deinonychus, which is sort of like a miniature T-rex. They have super-sensitive smell and hearing, incredible strength and speed and pack-hunting instincts, and they have modified forelegs, lengthened and topped with more dextrous fingers, as well as dog DNA for increased obedience and human DNA so they can solve problems well. All of this is topped off with a drug-regulating implant that can dose them with adrenaline or serotonin as the situation demands.

And go ahead. Look at the calendar. We’re a long, long way from April 1st right now.

By the end of the film, there are set pieces that are much, much bigger than anything we’ve seen in the other films, and much crazier. They’re all well-written, and there’s a glee to the bloodletting that you have to admire. There’s also a blatant set-up for a JURASSIC PARK 5 that is just too good for the studio to pass up. That is, of course, if they actually decide to make this one.

In the end, this represents an enormous gamble for Universal and Amblin’, and I admire them for at least exploring this as a possibility. They’ve thrown some damn good writers at it so far. If they make it, it’s anyone’s guess how fans of the series so far are going to react. This is no-holds-barred SF/horror/action with none of the staring-up-at-a-special-effect-in-awe tone of the first three films. This is a drive-in movie, slightly unhinged from page one, with some truly hissable human villains and some outrageous monster characters. Will it work? Will we ever see it onscreen to find out?
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I highlighted the key points, but it is worth reading in full. I still find it hard to wrap my head around people thinking this was a good idea for a Jurassic Park film. What the fuck. However, it sounds so ridiculous that I do want to see it. :lol
 
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Discotheque

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HOLY SHIT THAT IDEA IS FUCKING AMAZING.

It is now up there with Gladiator 2 in terms of ideas that are too good for pussy ass studios to greenlight.

Movies are about imagination and this is it :(. Muthafucking commando cross-breed dinosaurs?
 
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bengraven

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They were SUITS?

I thought they were a mix of puppetry and CGI.

Holy shit, mind blown. I bet some scenes I thought were CGI were in fact not - including apparently that scene at the very bottom!?
 
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Anticitizen One

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is that Jurassic park IV script available online anywhere to read?

The sad truth is that Jurassic Park game by TellTale is probably the closest we are going to get to a REAL sequel to Jurassic Park. Sequel should have always been about the recovery of that Shaving Cream can by mercs or trying to reopen the park. It should have been about Isla Nublar not Site B, not San Diego, not military dinosaur human commandos.
 
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antonz

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Anticitizen One said:
is that Jurassic park IV script available online anywhere to read?

The sad truth is that Jurassic Park game by TellTale is probably the closest we are going to get to a REAL sequel to Jurassic Park. Sequel should have always been about the recovery of that Shaving Cream can by mercs or trying to reopen the park. It should have been about Isla Nublar not Site B, not San Diego, not military dinosaur human commandos.
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Yep they had an easy follow up with the people contracting Nedry to betray Hammond and Ingen. Hell they made a Jurassic Park 2 game on the SNES that is basically that with INGENs competitor trying to seize the island for themselves
 
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Anticitizen One said:
is that Jurassic park IV script available online anywhere to read?

The sad truth is that Jurassic Park game by TellTale is probably the closest we are going to get to a REAL sequel to Jurassic Park. Sequel should have always been about the recovery of that Shaving Cream can by mercs or trying to reopen the park. It should have been about Isla Nublar not Site B, not San Diego, not military dinosaur human commandos.
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Completely agree.

Hadn't Telltale made that game then Jurassic Park 4 could easily have used that storyline.
 
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DEAD RABBIT

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bengraven said:
They were SUITS?

I thought they were a mix of puppetry and CGI.

Holy shit, mind blown. I bet some scenes I thought were CGI were in fact not - including apparently that scene at the very bottom!?
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I had the exact same reaction.

I was always amazed how the car that T-rex wrecks was actually CGI and not real. And now this, but in reverse. Another testament to how blending practical effects and CGI together can make both styles feel more convincing.
 
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Demoncarnotaur

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Anticitizen One said:
is that Jurassic park IV script available online anywhere to read?

The sad truth is that Jurassic Park game by TellTale is probably the closest we are going to get to a REAL sequel to Jurassic Park. Sequel should have always been about the recovery of that Shaving Cream can by mercs or trying to reopen the park. It should have been about Isla Nublar not Site B, not San Diego, not military dinosaur human commandos.
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The full script never leaked surprisingly. Just reviews.

I agree that Telltales game had a pretty good and true story basis for a sequel.. some of it was a bit cheesy and comic-booky, but I liked it. Too bad. Still, I think they can soft reboot the series- new characters, new setting, new story but still technically a sequel. Say InGen gets a second chance with Tim and he builds a second park..in Africa... Or New Zealand.. Or hell, Antarctica. Bring the story new places, try new things, new dinosaurs, new plot points. But don't make it the conventional oops we are stuck on the island again plot.

Anton Sugar said:
Awesome. I know the conventional reason for wanting larger raptors is "because they looked cooler/scarier", but I wonder if this was the prime motivation.
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I believe in the book it was mentioned that they were larger, and it may have been due to imperfections of the cloning process. They could have also mistaken Utah Raptor DNA for Velociraptor or something.
 
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Leeroy3101

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I'd like to see the new film force a way to make humanity co-exist with dinosaurs. Take them off the island and put them in all over the world.
 
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Cow Mengde

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Anton Sugar said:
Awesome. I know the conventional reason for wanting larger raptors is "because they looked cooler/scarier", but I wonder if this was the prime motivation.
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It's the novel. They never said it was bigger due to imperfect DNA either. They just overestimated the size of Deinonychus. A real Deinonychus is only about the size of a wolf at most, and not the size of a man. Someone once proposed that Deinonychus was actually a species of Velociraptor, and Critchton stuck with that.
 
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Green Mamba

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I'm pretty sure the Velociraptors in the novels are intended to be true V.mongoliensis though, not Deinonychus, unlike in the films--Wu specifically mentions that the amber they used to create them was from Asia. If that's the case, then it seems Crichton was doubly wrong, both for over estimating Deinonychus's size and for conflating the size of the two animals.

Though intense dinosaur accuracy isn't exactly something I'd expect out of the first Jurassic Park novel--it does, after all, contain reference to Othnielia scavenging dinosaur corpses and prehensile forked tongues abound. It really is a novel about genetics, the dinosaurs are merely the vehicles for telling it.

Not that I'm saying the genetics displayed were entirely on par either. I'm not really sure what I'm saying.
 
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strafer

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So I had the perfect dream last night, what if in Jurassic Park 4 they go back to Isla Nublar and visit all the places that got fucked up, see if the Explorers are still there, could be pretty freaky to see.

See if Nedrys body is still there.
 
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bengraven

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A two minute trailer for a re-release? Kind of strange.




Also, if you love JP, you need to read Dinosaur Summer (please ignore the poor title):

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Make sure it's the illustrated version.

It's a sequel to Doyle's The Lost World, where dinosaurs have been taken from the Lost World in South America and put into zoos and circuses. It's the real world, so real life Hollywood folks like John Ford, Meriam Cooper, Ray Harryhausen and the Baileys interact with the main characters (in fact, Ray Harryhausen actually goes on the quest and is a good friend with the main character...and yes, he's read the book and loved it).

People begin to get bored of dinosaurs 50 years after Professor Challenger's quest and the last dinosaur circus is closing. But instead of selling the creatures, they finance a deal to bring the dinosaurs back to the Lost World.

I can't really describe much because I'm in the middle of dinner, but it's a novel that I really hope Steven Spielberg reads someday, because it's basically a fucking awesome dinosaur film in book form.
 
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The most phenomenal discovery of our time...becomes the greatest 3D adventure of all time. Come back tomorrow to see the new poster for Jurassic Park 3D- in theaters April 5, 2013!
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Demoncarnotaur

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Sorry for the DP, but I have some new JP stuff that some may find interesting..

First, its old news, but since it wasn't posted here.. JP3D trailer

The real reason I came to this thread though was because some new information about the scrapped Jurassic Park toy line just emerged. Check out the link, it has more pictures, source information and a podcast that goes into detail about the line a bit.


Pics of interest:
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Makes me wonder if these will see release as a JP3D toyline.. although Hasbro hasn't said anything about one. One way or another, I bet these see release, even if the dinosaurs have to be released as a GI Joe spinoff line. It seems that Allosaurus artwork was likely representing this unreleased Allosaurus:

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It also seems to imply the considered releasing it as a Gi Joe spinoff after the JP line fell through.
 
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Raydeen

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Hope they do something more ambitious then visit the island again.

I was hoping for something like a slick, straight up science fiction movie.

One where the DNA tampering has perhaps put Earth ecological and evolutionary 'computer - GIA theory' off kilter and now random fluctuations in evolution are occuring. Babies born stillborn with enlarged craniums from a future phase of mankind, bizarre and dangerous vegetation from prehistoric times covers major cities.
 
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Demoncarnotaur

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This was linked over at JPLegacy, seems to be a JP The Ride expansion that was planned back in 2010.. It was new to me so I figured I would share:

http://www.coroflot.com/eric_williams/Art-Direction

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I assume this idea was canceled, but I have never heard of it one way or another til now.. Maybe it can still happen, it looks awesome, and it looks like it was built to coexist with the river adventure.


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Brace yourself. Info is coming. :O

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Please oh please be JP4.
 
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