It'll probably be riddled with framerate problems and terrible textures.
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Kojima: The Phantom Pain will be 300 times bigger than Ground Zeroes
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It'll probably be riddled with framerate problems and terrible textures.
gigantor21
Member
Business as usual, then?
Man, those next gen consoles can't come soon enough. Sucks that so many of the early games have to be cross-gen for at least a year, though--no way will the install base be big enough not to before then. I want them to cut loose with the new hardware.
Risk Breaker
Member
*(Im)patiently awaits* ;_;
I just need dates. I can't wait to wait for MGS5, GZ, TPP or whatever.
GZ on PS4 SOON would be amazing though, as long as it doesn't cause a delay for MGSV as a whole.
That would be dumb - why play GZ when you have the real deal then?
GZ is just a introduction to the new gameplay of MGS; offering one big map (the base) with missions to solve (remember the mission select screen in the TGS demo). I predict that GZ will come out way earlier than TPP, costing probably around $15-20
thunder_snail
Member
Finding all those easter eggs' going be a big challenge this time...
wait wait wait
now there is TWO MGS5 game ? one prequel for the current Gen and the Big one for next Gen ?
yup
really? From what we've seen on current-gen, it was working really well and it looked fricking awesome.
Except it is not. The Tanker is like 30 mins while GZ is a full game which is a prologue to a much larger game.
Graphics Horse
Member
Except running a PC demo at current gen specs doesn't cause frame rate problems, it gives you a better frame rate. If they can get it 30fps that's cool, but we have no proof yet.
Night_Trekker
Member
Procedurally generated landscape. I'm calling it.
I hope they make it interesting.
I hope they make it interesting.
Graphics Horse
Member
It isn't one 'world' it's multiple maps like Afghanistan area, african country area, cyprus area etc.
I'm assuming the size he mentioned is all the areas combined, rather than each!
BRocknRolla
Member
I am with all of you.
I'm increasingly wondering if I have any interest in putting up with this BS.
Sums up the MGS series in general.
Add Cuba to your list too.
Graphics Horse
Member
well that may be GZ specific, so I avoided that one.
HappehLemons
Member
Am I only only one that finds his complete lack of information on the products he plans to sell and overly confusing ways of explaining something that should be simply annoying? Why are people still confused what the he's even advertising? The difference of GZ and TPP and MGSV shouldn't be some huge overly convoluted secret. This shouldn't be happening, and one of the most poorly executed PR stunts ever.
Love Deterrence
Member
The E3 trailer for The Phantom Pain takes place in Cuba (in the Red Band extended version of the trailer) in broad daylight. So, unless some part of Ground Zeroes' story takes place in the day, I think you can add it to the list! (Not a confirmation, though, as it could just be them showing off the Fox Engine.)
Graphics Horse
Member
Yeah I remember that part, but speculate it could be from some sort of scene setting cutscene or flashback during the GZ mission.
They might be jetting off back to Cuba after 9 years but I think they'll leave that crap in the caribbean behind.
Betta Lines
Member
It's all one game. All of it.
Rogue Agent
Banned
Yeah, or maybe it's just a cutscene for an Extra Ops mission unrelated to the story where you have to rescue some prisoners before they get executed.
PuppetMaster
Member
Just stick to making 1 solid game Kojima. This is creating consumer confusion at best, and causing me to loose interest in your already very confusing franchise.
Devilgunman
Member
I think this TPP and GZ duo gets overly complicated and MGS stories as a whole is confusing enough.
He creates consumer confusion always, but a lot of us also like his mind games.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Business as usual, then?
Man, those next gen consoles can't come soon enough. Sucks that so many of the early games have to be cross-gen for at least a year, though--no way will the install base be big enough not to before then. I want them to cut loose with the new hardware.
Look at it this way, next-gen versions of "old gen" games get to be 60fps, instead of the 30fps uber-graphic next-gen exclusives
thunder_snail
Member
Only his post MGS1 stories were complicated though. GZ feel more like making up for the cost of creating the fox engine (if it's sold separately).
LOL. Brilliant
No it is not. E3 trailer takes place in Afghanistan. Cuba is Ground Zeroes.
Love Deterrence
Member
... Did you not see the prisoner get shot when Kaz talks about making them "give back our past"? That looked like Camp Omega to me.
EDIT: Apologies. My original post probably came across as the whole thing taking place in Cuba. I only meant a scene in the intro portion of the Red Band trailer.
Camp Omega was seen and yes that was Cuba but according to Kojima Ground Zeroes only takes place during the night. The Phantom Pain begins in Cyprus.
EDIT: Apology accepted.
Acquiescence
Member
I thought The Phantom Pain and Ground Zeroes were the same thing? I swear that's what I read around E3 somewhere.
GZ + TPP = MGSV. However, GZ and TPP might be separately sold.
Acquiescence
Member
Sounds needlessly convoluted. Isn't that just going to cause confusion amongst the casual gaming public?
Nothing's ever simple where Kojima is concerned these days.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Can someone explain to me the difference between the two?
Pretend I know nothing.
Pretend I know nothing.
KidGalactus
Member
Could somebody please explain to me what the difference is between Phantom Pain and Ground Zeroes?
Graphics Horse
Member
GZ is a prologue mission set 9 years before the main game.
Love Deterrence
Member
Ha! Unfortunately not... No one has a clue. People just recycle what Kojima has said "They both make up MGSV!" No one knows, as of now... Hopefully, we get some info soon!
What's convoluted about it? Ground Zeroes is a (likely paid) demo. Phantom Pain is the full game. All we don't know is when and how much.
Only reason there's so much confusion is because people keep asking the same question over and over instead of reading any of the dozens of posts that break it down.
Why should we pretend? You obviously don't know anything. To answer this question for the zillionth time, GZ is a prologue to TPP and both together are MGSV. But since GZ might be big enough to be its own game, Kojima might release it first then release TPP later but they both form MGSV since they are both telling MGSV's story.
Rogue Agent
Banned
It would be cool if in the main game, you can choose your insertion method.
JoeyJungle
Banned
So is it safe to say that GZ is like the tanker mission in MGS2?
I think it is.
bernardobri
Steve, the dog with no powers that we let hang out with us all for some reason
What? MGS is pretty straight-forward timeline-wise, unlike Zelda's alternate universes.
The order is: MGS3: Snake Eater -> Peace Walker -> Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain -> Metal Gear 1 -> Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake -> MGS1/Twin Snakes -> MGS2: Sons of Liberty -> MGS4: Guns of the Patriots.
Rogue Agent
Banned
I think Kojima meant to say that Kiefer's VA will be 300 times less awesome than Hayter's VA.
Just kidding
PensivePen
Member
That's a very Molyneuxesque claim to make.