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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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Same here.
I did some quick tests.
It looks like it's to do with the anti-judder setting - the one that makes the screen look smooth like a soap opera When it's on - whether auto or custom - you can see the artifacts in varying severity. You can't see them when it's off.
No other graphics setting to do with quality / blur etc. seems to cause them.
This is in Movie mode using the TV's own Amazon app. I wasn't able to test Game mode.
We need other people to test. We need the same source material.
I used The Grand Tour, episode 11. Use the TV's own Amazon app. Around the 12/13 minute mark an American drives a white Fiat Abarth around a race track. Use that. White car, grey day, dark and wet road. Makes artifacts easy to spot.
It looks like it's to do with the anti-judder setting - the one that makes the screen look smooth like a soap opera When it's on - whether auto or custom - you can see the artifacts in varying severity. You can't see them when it's off.
No other graphics setting to do with quality / blur etc. seems to cause them.
This is in Movie mode using the TV's own Amazon app. I wasn't able to test Game mode.
We need other people to test. We need the same source material.
I used The Grand Tour, episode 11. Use the TV's own Amazon app. Around the 12/13 minute mark an American drives a white Fiat Abarth around a race track. Use that. White car, grey day, dark and wet road. Makes artifacts easy to spot.
You can't use automotion in game mode.
There's always been artifacts appearing if you have the automotion set too high,
Dr. Zoidberg
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This is true. I've seen them myself on earlier firmwares. It may be worse now, I don't know. I don't use automotion/motion plus at all now so I might as well update if there are other improvements.
I think this is something quite different.
First, my anti-judder has always been set on 1. That's the lowest it can be, without being off.
Second, these aren't artifacts in the sense there's a mild pixelation or fuzzing of the image.
It reminded me of a a film where a spaceship enters a planet's atmosphere - and you see a shield form around it, deflecting heat - and the time travel scenes in Back to the Future, where the electricity is sparking in front of the car.
On The Grand Tour there are quite big blocks of colour and pixelation that flash on and off as the car turns round corners. The blocks are the same colour as the car and line up with the car's dimensions.
When i was watching football and had it set too high, I used to get pixelisation like that. It would usually be the ball as that's moving the quickest, almost like ghosting. Seems strange that it happens when it's set that low though. I have mine on custom with both bars at 5 and don't get it usually now.
Duchess O'Death
Member
Is there a way to get FW 1201 in the US?
Worth noting that I don't get any audio lag with my set up. I have an optical out from the TV feeding 5.1 to my trusty old Logitech ZX 5500s. No receiver. Hope you have the same luck as me and that the issue gets fixed quickly for everyone who's suffering, because audio lag might be the most irritating A/V problem ever.
So you don't have this problem when you turn off Auto Motion Plus? I believe SamsungNow always used it mildly as well, so I guess that could explain it.
Never used it myself. Noticed some pixelation around objects when testing it with Planet Earth II.
If the firmware does in fact reduce some judder without turning on Auto Motion Plus, I'll be happy with it.
Thanks for the testing Belker,
I was very reluctant to test the new firmware because of this. But the 1170s made the picture look worse and I already had a lot of black/grey banding so that dark movies looked like an oil painting to a degree.
1180.5 improved everything again for my KS9000, so I didn´t want to change a somewhat running system.
But I am glad I did. This new firmware is an overall improvement for me, it´s like the guy in the video says, I had to turn gamma down and the colours to 50 again, the picture looks really better now, somwhat sharper, black is darker, etc, which is maybe placebo, but I am happy.
Biggest change for me was another small decrease when it comes to the banding. It´s still there on all sources (apart from gaming), but a lot harder to notice. Tested it with Blair Witch and I couldn´t believe, that it´s watchable now.
Good work Samsung.
I also don´t have the artifacts, tested it with the Top Gear scene with Auto Motion Plus on (10 /3).
So far the best firmware for me.
So, I guess I am "ok" now with the TV, gaming was great from day one, but the massive banding in dark movies almost ruined it. Now I hope the TV will last another 2-3 years until I make the jump to oled.
I was very reluctant to test the new firmware because of this. But the 1170s made the picture look worse and I already had a lot of black/grey banding so that dark movies looked like an oil painting to a degree.
1180.5 improved everything again for my KS9000, so I didn´t want to change a somewhat running system.
But I am glad I did. This new firmware is an overall improvement for me, it´s like the guy in the video says, I had to turn gamma down and the colours to 50 again, the picture looks really better now, somwhat sharper, black is darker, etc, which is maybe placebo, but I am happy.
Biggest change for me was another small decrease when it comes to the banding. It´s still there on all sources (apart from gaming), but a lot harder to notice. Tested it with Blair Witch and I couldn´t believe, that it´s watchable now.
Good work Samsung.
I also don´t have the artifacts, tested it with the Top Gear scene with Auto Motion Plus on (10 /3).
So far the best firmware for me.
So, I guess I am "ok" now with the TV, gaming was great from day one, but the massive banding in dark movies almost ruined it. Now I hope the TV will last another 2-3 years until I make the jump to oled.
It could actually be in the menus on the cable box itself. Not sure if they have X1 or something else. In X1 at least... go to the Options 'gear' > Device Settings > Video Display > and look at your settings there (both Zoom and Video Output Resolution. Perhaps your problem, and hopefully solution, lies there.
Which firmware are you on then De Marco? I also have the KS900 but I am currently on 1180 it seems. Oddly enough, I have noticed something like the mentioned artifacting but only ever while playing Pyre. Seems to happen very rarely, and only while moving from map to map in the vehicle. Only pops up around the vehicle itself for a split second. I took a picture, I'll see if I can find it. So yeah, just curious what firmware you are on (and I guess what region to as I am in the US)
I can't remember what the item is in the menu, but I used various combinations of the settings put on auto, both on, one on, one off, set to either 1 or 10, with the LED auto-motion feature activated and with some other menu item on or off.
It's been so long since I watched without the anti-judder set to 1 that I can't remember how bad the TV was originally.
But all this was only in movie mode and only with that episode of the Grand Tour. Whole thing probably took 15 minutes, so it wasn't hugely in-depth. It might happen again in some other context.
DeMarco,
Thanks, hope it was useful in making your decision. If it's working for you without issue, that's great.
I wonder if this is somehow related to the red/blue banding, since some of us have it and some don't.
On Samsung: Settings > Picture > Picture Size> 16:9 Standard, Fit to Screen "On"
I didn't even realize I had this wrong since I've had the TV and was losing some resolution on Xfinity. It might've reset itself at some point, I guess?
Worth checking for anyone who has Comcast.
Maybe turn it off and see how you like it now. Apparently it's improved on the latest firmware, but can't test myself.
I'm not turning auto motion back on again until its fixed (which it won't be). The artifacts are distracting enough that I'd rather go without the single-point increase in smoothing, even though I preferred how it looked.
Did you try it with the GT episode mentioned earlier? That's the one I, arbitrarily, picked to test mine.
Anyway, it's been established that not all of the KS sets seem to have this issue, so you're fortunate. Maybe most people won't see it and I'm unlucky.
For me, I've not seen a significant difference in how things look after the update, apart from the new glitch.
Imp the Dimp
Member
My PC is incredibly dark (Game mode, not PC mode) now, even with 20 backlight. This is unplayable. What is happening?
ss_lemonade
Member
Does this TV have overscan or something with sources below 1080p? I noticed that the lower in resolution I go, the more I see sides off the screen being cut.
Stupid suggestions, but just in case... Are HDMI black levels mismatched between PC and TV? Is eco mode on and toning the blacklight down by itself?
I still have my PS3 hooked to it, nothing is cut at 720p with that "fit to screen" option on TV set to "on".
saltyramen
Member
Why do you want to use normal? Low and Limited would be the same thing as Normal Full
Make sure HDR is turned off in the Win10 display settings. The current implementation of HDR support in Win10 dims the image no matter the content.
Ive been having similar issues with the standard remote. I switched to the smart remote and it works fine. Could it be your batteries?
MrNineties
Member
Anyone know if I could get a replacement remote from a 2017 Q Series and have it work on a 2016 KS8000? Or even just a replacement for existing? I can't find them anywhere.
Holy shit! On a whim I tested out using DTS over ARC in game mode instead of Dolby Digital, and the audio delay is gone! If there is a delay, it's substantially lower than it is using Dolby Digital.
If you're using Bitstream over ARC in game mode and not getting a delay, are you using DTS or DD?
If you're using Bitstream over ARC in game mode and not getting a delay, are you using DTS or DD?
Duchess O'Death
Member
I bought a replacement remote off ebay and it worked.
I am also interested in knowing this.
Think this was discussed before, don't think it lets you do it as it detects a different model number.
Use the buttons on the tv.
If it's greyed out then it's probably not being used? Will only be used if the Xbox is outputting RGB as it doesn't effect YUV.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Is this after the update?
oRuin
Member
Anyone here using the TV speakers notice fluctuations in sound? I'm talking quick fluctuations of volume changes. It's so distracting. All my sound options are default, no auto volume or anything.
Watching Game of Thrones, the sound is up and down depends on dialog and background noise.
Have done a full factory reset and still it comes back. Im seriously considering returning it.
If anyone could test out the TVs speakers with the latest firmware I'd much appreciate it.
Watching Game of Thrones, the sound is up and down depends on dialog and background noise.
Have done a full factory reset and still it comes back. Im seriously considering returning it.
If anyone could test out the TVs speakers with the latest firmware I'd much appreciate it.
Duchess O'Death
Member
SkylineRKR
Member
I've been using DTS since day one. I prefer it over DD. I think I haven't played a game that doesn't have DTS.
It is before the update, the update still isn't available to me.
The downside is that it seems like the TV apps don't support DTS, so you have to switch to DD when using apps or let it play in PCM.
Can´t recommend the new 1201 update enough for that TV. After some days and new settings the picture looks a lot better. It´s a miracle to me, that a simple firmware can do that to the picture quality (and make it worse too).
PS: I was one of the unfortunate souls who completeley ruined their first set with a recommended LCD cleaning fluid, I received a new set after some weeks and didn´t touch any fluid until today, when my dog decided to lick the screen and the microfibre cloth didn´t do anything.
This time I used the Monster cleaning fluid and it´s perfect for this fragile screen.
PS: I was one of the unfortunate souls who completeley ruined their first set with a recommended LCD cleaning fluid, I received a new set after some weeks and didn´t touch any fluid until today, when my dog decided to lick the screen and the microfibre cloth didn´t do anything.
This time I used the Monster cleaning fluid and it´s perfect for this fragile screen.
Imp the Dimp
Member
How can you even tell there's a difference in picture quality? I sure can't.
What is your (expert) settings?
When I plugged in an Xbox to the tv, it recognized it and turned the HDMI input into a Xbox logo. That didn't happen to Switch when I plugged it in. Is that something they will patch in? I just want a consistent look with my hdmi input labels 
Can´t tell how often I have watched the HDR channel and the 4k demo vids there and the picture is really "better" now, not a placebo. I trust my eyes
There are many details from the top of my head like the sky from a Sony HDR vid or the ocean / fire effects which are "crisper" now. In my case it´s really like the guy in the youtube vid tells when he shows the comparisons between the firmwares.
- I had massive black/grey banding and it´s *almost* gone, biggest improvement for me.
- Colours "pop" more, had to reduce gamma from 1 to 0 and reduce colour to 50 again (was 55)
- They somehow improved the Judder, not visible anymore (tested with Grand Tour, Episode 1, when people clapping), Sports and Judder tests on youtube.
- No more youtube bugs (videos "stacked" on top of each other)
- Light management is better, changing from light to dark is somewhat quicker, decrease in light bleeding.
- Bars are blacker when watching movies, looks perfect now
I use settings similar to the OP, no Dynamic Contrast or artificial stuff, but sharpness to 20 and I use the 10 point and colour settings from AVS (some user here posted them and I slightly altered them).
MrNineties
Member
Is this some kind of joke? To my knowledge there aren't any.
Also on an unrelated note I have a Canadian model KS8000 from this year. I assume it's the "2016" model. UN65KS8000FXZC. There was only the small smart remote in the box,or was there? Comments here are making me think I threw out another larger remote by accident?
Here in the UK I had two remotes with my TV. One small smart remote with a metallic finish and a larger, standard, black plastic remote.
I had no idea that was a thing. After your link I looked for more information.
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00050528/
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00050528/
I had no idea this was a thing.