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Lawmaker Says Using Restroom Is "A Choice" For Transgender People
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Are you talking about the transgender porn star Buck Angel?
entremet
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A lot of women don't feel safe in public unisex restrooms. I've only encountered them in clubs. I don't think this will change anytime soon.
I'm pretty sure millions of women everywhere would disagree with you.
jamesinclair
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That's the one.
Earthstrike
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The brain is biological, and there have been a spate of recent studies concerning brain structure of transgendered individuals. These studies are starting to indicate that the brain is of one physical gender where the body is not. If we wanted to reduce this to a case of sex being a biological function of physiology then at best you could reduce transgendered individuals to being intersexed. Which of course begs the question, which washroom should an intersexed individual use?
There are lots of types of unisex bathrooms.
A doorless corridor with unique individual stalls is a pretty good one
Never saw a single case reported.
I did saw thousands of cases of trans people beaten in either bathrooms
I think she would be understanding that until she begins/is a few months into transitioning, it would be rather awkward for her to enter the women's restroom - but once she begins transitioning, taking estrogen supplements, gaining secondary femininine characteristics, undergoing speech therapy, dressing and styling her hair more femininiely, it becomes just as awkward for men and increasingly awkward for her to be using the men's restroom.
Palette Swap
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Kind of. I read it too fast before clicking the thread and thought it was about giving people the choice of which restroom they use.
Then I read the OP and well, fuck that guy.
Edit: yeah, it's another of these things to fight fictive crimes. See also: voter ID.
There are lots of types of unisex bathrooms.
A doorless corridor with unique individual stalls is a pretty good one
This was exactly what I was going to say we should do....open bathrooms, maybe with a security camera for good measure depending on location, and stalls that give you real privacy. I think everyone would prefer that. Who likes sitting on the toilet in a public bathroom that has stalls with flimsy doors that give you semi-visual privacy and provide zero sound barrier? Bathroom stalls, at least in the US, are so damn shitty.
by awkward you mean dangerous
jamesinclair
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For anyone who agrees with this....
Should he be in the woman's bathroom?
I wouldnt feel comfortable dropping a deuce next to my female coworkers
King Cobra
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The real question should be if women are comfortable with a guy who is dressed like a woman to enter the same bathroom as they do and vice versa for men. If they are not comfortable than safety overrules your own personal feelings on the matter.
It is not the fear of trans rapists, it is the fear of cis gendered rapists and voyeurs etc taking advantage of the law. Which is ridiculous in its own right. As if there are millions of would be rapists saying "If only there was a legal way in there."
That seems like a pretty good solution. Although I suppose the real way to make it comfortable is the 3 restroom solution.
There are lots of types of unisex bathrooms.
A doorless corridor with unique individual stalls is a pretty good one
That seems like a pretty good solution. Although I suppose the real way to make it comfortable is the 3 restroom solution.
DonasaurusRex
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....you've never had to go into a ladies bathroom if you think that....*shudder* flee all of ye....
The point is they wouldn't know you were there. The experience privacy-wise would be more like using a porta-potty.
Under his rules, everyone in this pic would be forced to use the men's restroom.
Nobody in this picture is transgendered. But are biologically XY males, from birth.
This is what happens when you try to apply binary bible version of gender to the real, spectrum-tastic version of gender that exists in the real world.
Nobody in this picture is transgendered. But are biologically XY males, from birth.
This is what happens when you try to apply binary bible version of gender to the real, spectrum-tastic version of gender that exists in the real world.
Cartoon level villainy
We have laws in place requiring establishments that serve food and drinks to have bathrooms in most areas (I assume that's true in Florida as well). His claim would either be argued as being in conflict of the prior law and therefore unsupportable, or would necessitate repeal of said prior law? I'm sure the latter would go over great.
Actually I suspect this wouldn't even hold up.
We have laws in place requiring establishments that serve food and drinks to have bathrooms in most areas (I assume that's true in Florida as well). His claim would either be argued as being in conflict of the prior law and therefore unsupportable, or would necessitate repeal of said prior law? I'm sure the latter would go over great.
jamesinclair
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Yes they would, theyd see me step out of the stall, which makes it obvious Im dropping off the kids.
theusedversion
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I think I read somewhere that some country was going to start requiring there to always be a third restroom option to address this issue. Probably in Southeast Asia but I'm not completely sure.
entremet
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There are lots of types of unisex bathrooms.
A doorless corridor with unique individual stalls is a pretty good one
Never saw a single case reported.
I did saw thousands of cases of trans people beaten in either bathrooms
I'm aware of these. I wasn't taking about these kinds but the bigger more communal ones.
These are not sustainable for many building and venue types.
Probably Thailand - I've heard that they (as in, legally and culturally) view transgenders as a unique, 3rd sex.
BlastProcessing
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Trans women are not guys dressed as women and vice versa.
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
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I agree. The more I think about this the weirder having gender restricted bathrooms sound.
What about locker rooms?
There are AN INFINITY WAY more news about trans people beaten on the wrong bathroom than cis women abused by a trans woman.
Than safety overrules your own personal feelings on the matter
HOMEBOY OVER HERE
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I couldn't imagine many women, including every type of feminine gender identity and even transwomen wanting to use those huge public restrooms you find at like rest stops, or at airports, etc if they allowed men into them. If anything this stupid fuck conservative doesn't realize that trans individuals are at risk of violent and sexual assaults every time they go out in public and a transwomen in a men's restroom would subject them to far greater chances of sexual harassment, assault etc.
huge public restrooms suck. even I don't want to use them.
having genders on single use restrooms is so stupid though and I use whichever one is free if one is being occupied and the other isn't.
I'm not comfortable with your level of knowledge about this matter, so maybe overrule yourself before posting on it again.
The better question is, how many transvestite rapists have attacked people *ever*?
Because I'd bet the number is pretty damn small.
Uhm, insecure feelings have nothing to do with safety.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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LMAO. What an idiot.
How the fuck are these dumbass people elected to office.
Seriously, Winston Churchill was right. The strongest argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
How the fuck are these dumbass people elected to office.
Seriously, Winston Churchill was right. The strongest argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
Bosh.
It's alright. It's only trans people! We can exclude them and laugh at them and if that doesn't work we can always attack them! It's not like they have rights anyway!
Utterly despicable. There's still so much work to do.
Chezzymann
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Only problem I have with that is at least in my view bathrooms are more of a bodily function thing than something associated with gender identity (Or how you view yourself and what 'role' you fit into). Like, if you go number 2 with a penis, you should go to the male restroom since they have urinals there. If not, you should go to the female restroom. If anyone can go to either restroom depending on what gender they view themselves as and not what they have down under to go with, then we mise as well just get rid of 'male' and 'female' restricted restrooms since it would start to defeat the reason for having separate ones in the first place. Which could actually be a good idea.
Brian Griffin
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Bathrooms are for expelling waste from your body in as sanitary a way as possible. The junks you have in your pants doesn't matter since you aren't going to be showing it to people. Absolutely nothing prevents a trans woman with a penis from doing her business in the women's bathroom and same for trans men with vaginas in the men's.
This man is displaying a profound level of ignorance and lack of empathy and if I were running the country he would be in prison for life for being so stupid.
Chezzymann
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I get your argument, and if bathrooms are going to be defined by your gender identity and not the junk you use to go with, then what's the point of bathrooms? Why have confusion on arbitrary things like what gender you view yourself as when you can just have a single bathroom for everyone?
LostCaress
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He should choose to go fuck himself.
Brian Griffin
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I don't disagree with you in theory, but in reality you are thinking too outside the box. The gender binary is a thing in our society, an unfortunate thing in a lot of ways, but a thing none the less. People are used to it and they expect so it's not going away any time soon. It's like saying we shouldn't give gay people the right to marry, but instead abolish marriage across the board. Maybe in 100s or 1000s of years when we are closer to actual equality in our society we could do the Starship Troopers thing and have everyone used the same facilities but there's no way it would fly today so suggesting it is pointless.
The "bathroom question" regarding trans people is settled, you let them use the one they feel comfortable with. Any other "solution" would only serve to further stigmatize trans people and put them in more danger than they are currently in.
How fucking disgusting. Ugh. Scum of the earth.
I've been to bars and clubs where the bathrooms are unisex and it seems to work out fine for everyone. Folks just wanna do their business and get back to drinking.
I've been to bars and clubs where the bathrooms are unisex and it seems to work out fine for everyone. Folks just wanna do their business and get back to drinking.
It amazes me that when it comes to something as simple as using a bathroom the Republicans firmly believe that legislation will prevent any and all criminal activity...
But when it comes to something like guns, legislation won't work it just complicates things the criminals will do it anyway blah blah blah.
Talk about being hypocritical. This law is disgusting.
But when it comes to something like guns, legislation won't work it just complicates things the criminals will do it anyway blah blah blah.
Talk about being hypocritical. This law is disgusting.
The point of bahrooms is to get your make up touched up, piss, make other think you poop and talk about conspiracies about the female supremacy without men listening to it.
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