FlutterPuffs
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That's how it works. It's a good way to verify if your article gets its facts right.
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Lawsuit alleges White House was involved in Seth Rich murder conspiracy theory
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Wolfgunblood Garopa
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If anyone ever needs a great example of how conservatives accuse their opponents of what they themselves are guilty of, look no further. They are the ones who craft and distribute fake news.
Nazgul_Hunter
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But why would the be party to any facts related to the murder of Seth Rich? That makes sense when you're asking for a story ABOUT Trump, not just one that's politically favorable to him.
jellies_two
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Rod wheeler has been through this "confection as news" thing before, he was behind the "lesbian gangs with pink pistols" scare/story that ex fox oreilly pushed once.
When the White House is involved or someone at the WH is quoted in the story, sure. Don't think that was the case with this story and I don't see why it would have been.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
This seems pretty self-serving on the part of the investigator, whose reputation is now ruined, but at the time who actually did push the narrative. Whether or not the question of WH involvement is true, I think we have little to gain from uncritically accepting Wheeler's side.
Randolph Freelander
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Wheeler doesn't have much credibility. That said, if they can prove that Fox News and Trump were coordinating, that would be great. It will probably take a million such stories to persuade the average Fox News viewer that they're just watching propaganda, but I guess you have to start somewhere.
You should never uncritically accept the allegations in a petition, but parts of his allegations have already been admitted to by other people, and if he actually has all of the texts and recordings he says he has, then you don't have to take his word for it.
Spicer confirmed the meeting with Butowsky and Wheeler in the White House and a number of Butowsky's text and voice messages suggest Trump was aware of the story as well. I'd say this is a pretty good start.
Likely explode, seeing this lawsuit as confirmation of the conspiracy
QuantumBro
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I don't really think I can believe that Trump had read the article beforehand. The article has no pictures and did not contain his name at all so it wouldn't have kept his interest.
#NPRFakeNews
#NPRFakeNews
RustyNails
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PEDES, THE FAKESTREAM MEDIA WANTS TO SILENCE SETH RICH'S REAL STORY
You know, I always did find the circumstances around his death to be strange, just not in a "hurr durr hillary and podesta killed him" type of way.
It's sad that his family may never get justice and instead are constantly reminded about their son's death in this way. Everything I've seen on Seth Rich paints a picture of an intelligent guy with a bright future ahead of him.
Would be great if his murder was legitimately solved so this stuff could go away...but I feel like any conclusion wouldn't actually be believed by a good % of people out there.
It's sad that his family may never get justice and instead are constantly reminded about their son's death in this way. Everything I've seen on Seth Rich paints a picture of an intelligent guy with a bright future ahead of him.
Would be great if his murder was legitimately solved so this stuff could go away...but I feel like any conclusion wouldn't actually be believed by a good % of people out there.
He started losing sponsors and O'Reily getting the boot showed anyone and everyone was expendable.
Fake news isn't a crime
No.
Hannity's purpose is to make old, white people clutch their pearls in fear and to make as extreme of claims as possible.
Also, he's too busy sucking Trump's cock to care about this story.
It should be.
theclosetfan
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Nothing about the circumstances of his death were strange, though. I live not far from where it happened. There were a bunch of other armed robberies in the neighborhood that summer. DC has a lot of bizarre street crimes that go unsolved, it's just that they usually don't make national news.
Tragic, absolutely. Strange? No way.
DrForester
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Because Congress is controlled by republicans and they don't care and won't do anything. Their "investigations" are little more than political theater.
They said they were looking into how Russian propaganda was spread using surrogates in the alt-right. FOX should be included. I didn't say it was a crime, but we need to combat it.
The Bill Browder testimony actually gave me some hope that they are taking it seriously now.
plagiarize
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He's providing corroborating evidence. Of course that could just be Fox blowing smoke and pretending to have more influence than they do, but you know. It's not a great look.
American Dreams Week is off to a running start.
CloudyTuba
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We can only hope.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
All you have to do to file a lawsuit is pay the filing fee?
Is there something that makes this claim credible?
Is there something that makes this claim credible?
theclosetfan
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The NPR reporter heard and verified recorded phonecalls/voicemails and has seen the text messages.
Abstrusity
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Reporting the spin spinning from the White House: alright
Conspiring to share false information that you knew was false that came from the White House, WITH the White House: A harsh violation of journalistic ethics.
If Fox News was in fact journalists, heads would be rolling right now. This is the kind of thing that needs retractions, daily apologies for lying, and a LOT of fired people.
I don't quite think "state TV" is illegal, but it used to be that it was highly frowned upon.
Conspiring to share false information that you knew was false that came from the White House, WITH the White House: A harsh violation of journalistic ethics.
If Fox News was in fact journalists, heads would be rolling right now. This is the kind of thing that needs retractions, daily apologies for lying, and a LOT of fired people.
I don't quite think "state TV" is illegal, but it used to be that it was highly frowned upon.
Oh yeah
This actually makes sense. At the time the story broke, I could never quite square why this investigator would come out and immediately walk back his comments about Seth Rich being the leak source when there was no public pressure to do so.
Of course, tying this to the WH is going to be difficult. Butowsky clearly has an agenda to push here and lying about Trump being involved sounds like something he would do. It also is unclear why he is pressuring the investigator about publishing the story quickly and not the Fox News journalist?
In the end, I expect Fox News will settle this case and it will quietly go away.
Of course, tying this to the WH is going to be difficult. Butowsky clearly has an agenda to push here and lying about Trump being involved sounds like something he would do. It also is unclear why he is pressuring the investigator about publishing the story quickly and not the Fox News journalist?
In the end, I expect Fox News will settle this case and it will quietly go away.
A Serious Man
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They play snippets from some of the phone calls in the audio version of this story.
Beer Monkey
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American Dreams week should be a special, long week.
jack_package_200
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I hope all those people on the right and especially the left feel real fucking stupid for pushing this bullshit.
Wrestlemania
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There were people on the left pushing this?
maquiladora
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This is sickening.
shawnbuddy
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Bernie Bros. Their hate for Hillary is THAT strong.
n0razi
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COVFE!
jack_package_200
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Quite a bit of it was on my newsfeed on Facebook (same peeps pushed Pizzagate as well) and it was a popular topic on places like r/s4p and r/wayofthebern
Hmm I wonder if they'll acid wash or bleach them?
shawnbuddy
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Yep. Wayofthebern is the only Bernie subreddit that hasn't banned me for not being in lockstep with the hivemind, and I posted several articles pointing out the ridiculousness of the Seth Rich story there and received mostly a torrent of denial and abuse. A couple were reasonable, but they were drowned out.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's a guy who says he knows another guy who is largely unaffiliated with the White House who says he knows some crazy shit went down. There's nothing to verify and if there was, this would be in the Post and not some guy's lawsuit. The reason its not in the NYT or the Post is that the sources aren't good enough.
Dangansona
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But that has to be such a small group of people at this point right? I mean I heavily supported Bernie all the way to the end and really disliked Hilary but I really stopped caring much about them after the election and obviously this whole thing is BS.
I just hope there is some actual fallout for this. I feel like Tucker Carlson got no blowback for his Daily Caller trouble.
Evil Monkey DTT
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Examples? Other then fox news i havent seen anyone share this story and actually mean it.
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Nvm got my examples, what a shitshow.
theclosetfan
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Here's the Post's story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-seth-rich-conspiracy/?utm_term=.0d434b0a9cca
Sean Spicer admitted that he met with these characters, and the private detective even tweeted out a picture of himself in the White House Briefing Room in April.
Don't take every claim in the lawsuit as 100% truth based on the nature of the people involved, but this is not some bogus unverified story.
Netherscourge
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