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- Thread starter zkylon
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Previous OT Hall of Shame:
Ghost is Bad
Banned
god damnit
Ghost is Bad
Banned
is this because i posted that urgod video
Ghost is Bad
Banned
typo on the blackboard
think you wanted fight instead of ght
also letters left out of specific
think you wanted fight instead of ght
also letters left out of specific
Sr Kitsune
Member
♪ going ♪
Ghost is Bad
Banned
fix ur typos noob
Ghost is Bad
Banned
also fkn newts troll lessons? really?
some good interesting info in reddit about the crafting system:
i got distracted making the thread so forgot to reply to these comments in the previous ot
mage itemization was perfectly fine, like always some issues here and there, but for the most part it worked as intended. now everything feels wonky, with really expensive combine costs leading to some items like zhonyas feeling straight up terrible to build due to how bad their buildpaths have turned.
i just feel like the balance pass they did just didn't work without making these items have smoother build paths through new and/or reworked advanced items the same way they did for ad items.
i can understand that being a more difficult issue but then tweak all the build numbers so at least you don't have to save up 1k+ gold three times for zhonyas
i got distracted making the thread so forgot to reply to these comments in the previous ot
the thing about mage itemization is that it was fine and then they broke it. adc/old support itemization sucked and it was a time/money effort that riot had to dedicate in order to fix it
mage itemization was perfectly fine, like always some issues here and there, but for the most part it worked as intended. now everything feels wonky, with really expensive combine costs leading to some items like zhonyas feeling straight up terrible to build due to how bad their buildpaths have turned.
i just feel like the balance pass they did just didn't work without making these items have smoother build paths through new and/or reworked advanced items the same way they did for ad items.
i can understand that being a more difficult issue but then tweak all the build numbers so at least you don't have to save up 1k+ gold three times for zhonyas
Black-Wind
Member
Guess I will try the Jungle seeing how so many champs I find interesting are apparently really good there. I don't get the appeal buuuut I'm guessing it could fun if so many people want to do it.
Regardless I'm gonna take Vi mid when ever I get her. She seems like she would own mid lane.
Regardless I'm gonna take Vi mid when ever I get her. She seems like she would own mid lane.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
sorry but mage itemization was not fine last season considering every meta champ rushed the super cheap and efficient morellos into deathcap. not only that but mages also had considerably better defensive options (zhonyas abyssal) which also cost less than any ad based equivalent.
athenes was just as common on champions that needed it and you didn't feel punished for being an athenes champion over a morellos champion like you do now if you don't build roa (let's pretend for a second fqc doesn't exist to make everything right for mages)
Peanut Butter
Member
Jungling will build up your mental strength because you'll be receiving most of the blame when ish hits the fan. Like, you could be helping bot lane take a tower and then dragon, but your top laner will lose a 1v1 and still call you out.
Godspeed.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
morellos and athenes were functionally exactly the same; a cdr mana regen item that supplements an ap casters mana sustain and dps. the itemization of that plus deathcap was so strong that even assassins like leblanc and fizz were building it simply because there was no reason not to; it was only around 6k gold for a huge 2 item spike and there were only a few components that cost a large amount. this existed for almost 2 years. the ziggs meta. the preseason 5 meta. the azir viktor meta. it took riot completely changing how azir worked for morellos deathcap to finally change...to frostqueen deathcap.
i'm not sure what your point is tho, two item power spikes is the standard in the game
what's wrong about leblanc building morellos+deathcap?
Ghost is Bad
Banned
ur point was that mage itemization was fine. it really wasnt.
you can say it was too efficient relative to other classes but that's not really a big issue, specially compared to now
now the items just feel bad to build, if you're gonna make every item more expensive then you should revise the build paths as well so at least they're smooth to build
there's also really big outliers like roa and abyssal, not to mention fqc
now the items just feel bad to build, if you're gonna make every item more expensive then you should revise the build paths as well so at least they're smooth to build
there's also really big outliers like roa and abyssal, not to mention fqc
yeah the crafting sounded difficult and hard to understand, but after opening a bunch it's pretty simple:
- Got a skin card you want to unlock permanently? break down skin cards you don't want to make enough essence to do so.
- Don't like any of the skin cards you got? Pick any 3 to reroll and basically mystery gift yourself a random permanent skin.
- same theory applys to champions.
and that's it really.
- Got a skin card you want to unlock permanently? break down skin cards you don't want to make enough essence to do so.
- Don't like any of the skin cards you got? Pick any 3 to reroll and basically mystery gift yourself a random permanent skin.
- same theory applys to champions.
and that's it really.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
the reason it feels worse building larger ap items was because riot nerfed the cost efficiency of everything except support items hence fqc mid.
that's not really the issue, other champions build similarly priced items no problem
the issue is that the build paths are really bad in that a lot of items have 1k+ gold combine costs. some of those you can make a bit less like 765g on morellos but now you're stuck with an useless amp tome that just takes space in your inventory
the issue is that we're like 4 patches in season 6 and there's been zero follow-up on making every most ap items less of a bitch to build
I don't disagree that it's annoying, but I am just saying (based somewhat loosely obv) that the balance team is probably thinking:
-Mage itemization isn't in an ideal place, but isn't outright broken, cause mages are still used quite often in-game
-If they do stuff now, they'll have to do it again later anyway. They'll have to test new item stuff vs current in-game stuff and do balancing, which may or may not fix problems/add to them whatever.
-They're going to have to test all the new items, new kits, and old kits together anyway, so they'd be doing work now for stuff that is gonna be totally outdated/a non-issue in half a year, Moreover, it's probably some overlap of the same team here, so that would likely push the mage update back even farther.
Now, I'm not 100% sure why they raised the item price in the first place since mages didn't feel out of control before, but I do agree with ghost in that I remember most mage builds being VERY samey in that there were like 1-2 build paths with no devation (almost everyone rushed Moro/Deathcap, unless you were one of the ones who really needed Zhongas, then that instead of Deathcap, Athenes was pretty garbo compared to Moro)
Seems very, very similar to the pre-ADC item problem and they waitied for the rework on that too. So at this point I am just guessing obviously but I think they are good guesses that the are ignoring anything but bandaid fixes for really buggy/unintended stuff til then in favor of pushing the big update out quicker. Summer is still a long time away for Live launch of that especially with Ranked launching real soon but whatcha gonna do.
-Mage itemization isn't in an ideal place, but isn't outright broken, cause mages are still used quite often in-game
-If they do stuff now, they'll have to do it again later anyway. They'll have to test new item stuff vs current in-game stuff and do balancing, which may or may not fix problems/add to them whatever.
-They're going to have to test all the new items, new kits, and old kits together anyway, so they'd be doing work now for stuff that is gonna be totally outdated/a non-issue in half a year, Moreover, it's probably some overlap of the same team here, so that would likely push the mage update back even farther.
Now, I'm not 100% sure why they raised the item price in the first place since mages didn't feel out of control before, but I do agree with ghost in that I remember most mage builds being VERY samey in that there were like 1-2 build paths with no devation (almost everyone rushed Moro/Deathcap, unless you were one of the ones who really needed Zhongas, then that instead of Deathcap, Athenes was pretty garbo compared to Moro)
Seems very, very similar to the pre-ADC item problem and they waitied for the rework on that too. So at this point I am just guessing obviously but I think they are good guesses that the are ignoring anything but bandaid fixes for really buggy/unintended stuff til then in favor of pushing the big update out quicker. Summer is still a long time away for Live launch of that especially with Ranked launching real soon but whatcha gonna do.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I want to kill that youtube video.
Jhin and Taric!
Stone Ocean
Member
Oh god
Black-Wind
Member
I tank in MMOs so I'm use to people trying to toss their shit my way. (Shit is the most stressful role in a MMO ... but I love it.)
And about this chest thing ... does the pool scale with the amount of characters you have?
Like, would they give you a skin shard for a character you don't own or a perma-skin (as the result of re-rolling 3 skins you don't care for) for a character you don't have?
Because they aren't even willing to let you buy skins for champs unless you own them so I find the idea that the game would GIVE you skin shards for these un-owned champs to be a bit out there.
If it does scale then I'd love to try this as I only have a hand full of champs. Would greatly heighten my chances of getting a skin I like if it only gives you skin shards for champs you OWN.
The opposite seems to be true for the champs though, they will only give you champ shards for champs you DON'T own, right? So to me it seems logical that they would only give you skins for champs you DO own ...
Stone Ocean
Member
Mage itemization got more expensive because Riot increased global gold gain and mid laners are power farmers so they can't just keep the same costs otherwise their power spikes would go out of control. Problem is while doing that Riot also made the items worse for some reason and went overboard on some prices.
it's not so much of a power thing but of a balance and satisfaction thing. mids aren't gonna go away cos their items are 300g-500g more expensive, tho they're gonna be weaker for sure
well that's the issue with how they did things
normally if you make class-wide changes you do a follow-up to guarantee that things are in a good state for everyone involved
and the follow-up could be something not very complicated
say make deathcap build out of a nlr and two blasting wands and reduce the combine cost.
make morellos be fiendish codex+forbidden idol+blasting wand and reduce the combine cost
you can do chalice+fiendish codex+blasting wand for athenes and both reduce the combine cost with the extra component and raise it a bit to compensate for the extra 5 ap
or make fiendish codex give an even 30 ap and raise its cost to 850 like aether wisp
there might be similar things to be done for ludens echo and zhonyas, tho those two are a bit more complicated
none of this changes much about the power of the items, just makes building them not annoying
imo these things should've been done for the efficiency pass and that was 4 patches ago? dang
the efficiency nerfs didn't change that, now everyone builds fqc+abyssal or roa+abyssal
and i duno why ppl say athenes was uncommon before, it was very much a core item on mana hungry champions like ori, lux, xerath, etc.
the big difference with the adc itemization issues is that this is a problem they suddenly created rather than a problem that existed for a long time
wouldn't you think that if the idea was to leave things as they were until the mage reworks then maybe it was a better idea leave things in the older, happier-for-everyone state than in this shitty build-abyssal-on-everyone and having to look for cost efficient, easy to build items in other classes
how do you feel about this one
yeah, this too
That OT is perfect great job Zkylon.
The crafting system sounds interesting but not all that beneficial for myself I don't play with pre-mades all that much or many games so the drop rate is going to be awful
I can't wait to read the salty posts in here though of people getting crappy loot!
The crafting system sounds interesting but not all that beneficial for myself I don't play with pre-mades all that much or many games so the drop rate is going to be awful
I can't wait to read the salty posts in here though of people getting crappy loot!
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Well it's a fan thing more so then the thing posted on the League channel, so 100x better.
both are fan things, the lux mix is just featured on the league community channel
PhillipCostigan
Member
I like this OT a lot
BreezyLimbo
Banned
your best bet is to check the champion you want to play on champion.gg and see what people are building on them
a pretty big patch for masteries got released today tho, so those pages might be outdated already
Stone Ocean
Member
Stay positive~