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Limited FOV = *barf*
- Thread starter oconnomiyaki
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I swear sometimes GAF scares me. I was playing Rage today and started to feel queasy, first time in a game. Can the FOV be altered in the PS3 version?
phosphor112
Banned
Play low FOV games on a TV far away from you.
Play high FOV games on monitors (or small tv's) near you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blZUao2jTGA
That'll fix your problem.
Console games are low FOV for a reason.
Play high FOV games on monitors (or small tv's) near you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blZUao2jTGA
That'll fix your problem.
Console games are low FOV for a reason.
Angry Fork
Member
I'm still upset after all these years that TF2 doesn't allow 90 it's at 70 or 75. Anyone know how to increase it? I don't understand why Valve would limit it like that.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
Source games have FOV settings in the options.
It's either in the normal options or the "advanced options" (or whatever it's called, I mean the special looking options screen where you can set up stuff like sound effects when you hit someone - has it's own FOV slider there).
Nabs
Member
I'm pretty sure TF2 supports 90 right in the menu. I think it gives you a 75-90 slider.
I think you can only do it in the PC version. People say they don't offer the option for console games because it affects performance, but I don't recall my FPS ever dropping significantly when I change it in PC games. They just don't like giving options.
By adjusting the FOV, you are rendering more objects per frame.
You're right. All first-person Valve games from HL2 have an FOV slider now.
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
Dishonored for the ps3
That FOV = Yikes
That FOV = Yikes
viewmodel_fov "90"
fov_desired "90"
Enter those into the console or add them to your config file located in \Steam\steamapps\whatever your steam account name is\team fortress 2\tf\cfg
You can set up separate fov's for different classes etc
TF2 only goes to 90 but it can be pushed to 120 (iirc) with a not so legal plug-in.
Angry Fork
Member
Just checked my game, it is at 90 so I was wrong. I don't know why it feels so limited compared to other games though. It feels like the gun takes up way too much screen space in TF2 but I've played 90 fov on other games that feel like it shows a lot more.
Thanks gonna try the console command for both maybe one of them will change something else since my slider in normal options is at 90.
Thanks gonna try the console command for both maybe one of them will change something else since my slider in normal options is at 90.
PetriP-TNT
Member
If you don't use fisheye fov in your Quake then you don't know what you are missing
http://strlen.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/compare.html
http://strlen.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/compare.html
Good video, explains it nicely.
If those don't help you out you could also try playing without viewmodels. It's what most comp players do since it frees up so much screenspace.
Enter r_drawviewmodel 0 into the console if you want to try it. It might take a while getting used to but it's worth it imo. You can also edit your cfg so it uses viewmodels for some weapons/classes and not for others.
This.
Conciliator
Banned
I don't actually usually notice low FOV. I've been playing Borderlands 2 on PC for 150 hours with the standard setting.
The only thing that bugs me is with really high FOVs, where the textures and stuff on the side of the screen get stretched when you move around. It doesn't make me nauseous, but it does break immersion. No modern games have this though(by default), that's more of a Quake II thing.
The only thing that bugs me is with really high FOVs, where the textures and stuff on the side of the screen get stretched when you move around. It doesn't make me nauseous, but it does break immersion. No modern games have this though(by default), that's more of a Quake II thing.
Hari Seldon
Member
Yeah one thing that will put me into a rage is a console port with no option to change the fucking FoV. I cannot stand console FoV.
Hopefully people watch this and understand why PC gamers sometimes use the phrases "bad port" or "lazy" when referring to console ports with low and unconfigurable FOVs
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
FOV is still annoying on consoles regardless of how far you sit. The mere option to adjust it, even if slight, would be nice.
I used to not really care very much about FoV but in the last couple of years it's become a pretty significant factor in my enjoyment of various FPSes. I play Quake 3 at 130 degrees. which makes the transition to the significantly lower numbers seen in most other FPSes very jarring. I had to stop playing Metro 2033 pretty quickly because the game is made both unpleasant and nauseating by its ridiculous 45 degree FoV. I'm also bothered by games that let you change the FoV but are clearly not playtested at higher numbers, like Chivalry; it's annoying to have the hands holding my weapon to start about a third of the way up the screen.
I find that the sweet spot for most games is somewhere between 95 (really really slow-moving games that depend heavily on accuracy) and 130 (Quake/UT or similar games) and is mostly dependent on whether or not the engine can handle numbers above ~100 without the graphics becoming completely warped.
Fisheye Quake offers a pretty interesting summary of the appearance of higher FoVs: http://strlen.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/compare.html
I find that the sweet spot for most games is somewhere between 95 (really really slow-moving games that depend heavily on accuracy) and 130 (Quake/UT or similar games) and is mostly dependent on whether or not the engine can handle numbers above ~100 without the graphics becoming completely warped.
Fisheye Quake offers a pretty interesting summary of the appearance of higher FoVs: http://strlen.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/compare.html
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Low FOV still feels shit no matter how far you are from the screen. How much you can see actually effects the playablility of a game. Shocking, I know.
That's great people think it's all okay because science though.
That's great people think it's all okay because science though.
Glass Rebel
Member
Really puts things into perspective, thanks.
console style FOV is less of a problem if you are sitting far from the screen, but you still loose peripheral vision.
This makes it possible to "lose" an eight feet tall Space Nazi just because he walked up to you. this is why you'd want a relatively high FOV (at least around 70) even when playing a game on a console from far away.
The youtube video posted only explains that a low FOV will not make you physically uncomfortable if you are sitting far enough away from the screen and that screen is big enough, it does not claim that there aren't gameplay implication to using such a low FOV.
This makes it possible to "lose" an eight feet tall Space Nazi just because he walked up to you. this is why you'd want a relatively high FOV (at least around 70) even when playing a game on a console from far away.
The youtube video posted only explains that a low FOV will not make you physically uncomfortable if you are sitting far enough away from the screen and that screen is big enough, it does not claim that there aren't gameplay implication to using such a low FOV.
That YT lecture is really, really good.
But this does not mean that I would tolerate exceptionally low FoV on consoles. It comes down to my ability to process the extended field and the objects within it. If I can do it, why should I restrict the information simply because the developer considers my brain below average.
I have never experienced nausea with FPS games. Neither from bad FoV or head bobbing.
But then I am not really normal either.
But this does not mean that I would tolerate exceptionally low FoV on consoles. It comes down to my ability to process the extended field and the objects within it. If I can do it, why should I restrict the information simply because the developer considers my brain below average.
I have never experienced nausea with FPS games. Neither from bad FoV or head bobbing.
But then I am not really normal either.
http://clugu.com/tf2mate/
It's just a config file and you can set the FOV up per class, even per weapon if you're nuts and can handle the switch.
phosphor112
Banned
Literally. ;]
One of my favorite games, Riddick, is unplayable on PS3. It's got a wide FOV, and sitting far from the tv makes me sick when I play it.
When I originally played it on Xbox, it was not only 4:3, but I sat close to this tiny tv in my room.
It would fix his problem. So no "lol".
This isn't a fully related image, but I think it explains the concept a well (at least it did to me).
FOV is how much peripheral you have. Human's normally have ~100 degrees side to side so having half that on a game can really screw with you. I have seen some people go absurd with it in TF2 going over 180 degrees so they are basically looking behind them. That was since patched out and you have to use their defined range now.
FOV is how much peripheral you have. Human's normally have ~100 degrees side to side so having half that on a game can really screw with you. I have seen some people go absurd with it in TF2 going over 180 degrees so they are basically looking behind them. That was since patched out and you have to use their defined range now.
phosphor112
Banned
Agreed. Hopefully the wave of larger TV's will allow an option to change FOV. It'll be something like "What is the size of your TV?" and "How far are you sitting?" or maybe just the former. And choosing a larger size will increase your FOV.
I agree, I'm not a fan of low FOV, but a low FOV on a 40-50 inch TV at about 7 feet away is what you need to not want to vomit.
Glass Rebel
Member
Well, that's a separate problem. It's probably also why we have tubular level-design and braindead enemy AI that can't even flank you.
Nostremitus
Member
I haven't seen anyone else post this yet... but games with high FOV give me headaches/ eye strain which usually lead to migranes... I think it's the slightly fish-eye look it gives the games...
I keep forgetting about that, that would be way easier for him. Thanks.
Nah, like i said earlier, there's a plug-in on the ETFL2 site that allows you to go higher than the defined range but it involves injecting a dll and Valve has said that if VAC ever picks it up you're basically fucked.
http://www.theplaywrite.com/tools-a...nd-apply-tweaks-without-having-to-edit-files/
This is pretty cool for Dead Island specifically. And yeah, right there with you all on the FOV sensitivity. It sucks.
This is pretty cool for Dead Island specifically. And yeah, right there with you all on the FOV sensitivity. It sucks.
Well, I believe that one of the reasons for using very low FOV's in console games is performance. On pc upping the fov has few performance consequences, but on a console you are trying to maximize visual fidelity on limited hardware.
This is why console game never have FOV sliders, performance would be affected.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
50% of the screen? 50%? I'm sorry but what games have you been playing? I've played a lot of shooter but never have I seen a gun cover half of the screen. That's ridiculous. Do post some screenshots, because it sounds like you either have some weird screen settings or are overexaggerating like crazy.
Always-honest
Banned
I liked it. Very atmospheric. Works for that game imo.
This isn't a fully related image, but I think it explains the concept a well (at least it did to me).
FOV is how much peripheral you have. Human's normally have ~100 degrees side to side so having half that on a game can really screw with you. I have seen some people go absurd with it in TF2 going over 180 degrees so they are basically looking behind them. That was since patched out and you have to use their defined range now.
These are a bit more accurate, your FOV including peripheral vision ranges from 190° - 210°
On Tf2 like you said I need a minimal of 90° to feel comfortable. But 120 and up is much preferred, unless of course it starts being distorted based on where your monitor lies in your real world FOV.
Wolf Akela
Member
Anything below 90 degrees makes me nauseated. I realized this years ago when I wondered just WHY some random FPS games make me throw up.
Glass Rebel
Member
probably because it's a fucking owl
Nabs
Member
So don't jack the slider all the way up?