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Magic: the Gathering |OT10| Aether Revolt - That shit that make your Soul Burn slow
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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I do wonder why he isn't running a kessig wolf run at least.
he said the reason in the deck tech but I don't remember it
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Is he running sejiri steppe?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Would be funny if Knightfall without the Retreat package is just better.
SigmasonicX
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What is the Modern tournament you guys are talking about? Both of the GPs look like they're Standard.
charlequin
Banned
maro trying to argue today that urza was green smdh
Azusa - Crucible - Quarter lock yesss
https://www.twitch.tv/scgtour
The hell. He is the most non green character I can think of.
https://www.twitch.tv/scgtour
The hell. He is the most non green character I can think of.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
banning twin
It turns out that banning Probe and Troll without unbanning anything actually made the format great? There's like two dozen decks you can play and reasonably expect to with a tournament with
Bububu Twin and Jace! And they killed Storm!
See! Green is the new blue. Also I'm not sure Maro has actually read anything regarding Urza if he seriously thinks that.
Somehow, Storm is better right now than its been in years?
I love that they keep banning parts of storm and the deck comes back every single time. The only way to stop storm would be to actually ban the storm cards.
Bant Company is secretly a sweet deck. Because Coco is a sweet card.
SigmasonicX
Member
To clarify, MaRo is arguing that Urza is all five colors. When asked about what makes Urza green, he pointed out that the eugenics stuff with Gerard was Simic-like.
charlequin
Banned
I mean the specific argument is that he's 5C, which is understandable, just, like, also wrong.
It really isn't at all, though, unless you make an absolute insistence that anything biology related must be green innately.
In fairness, he's specifically said that he disengaged from the WL story after they took it away from him and made it dumb and shitty.
I know. Thats the joke. The extra hilarious part is the ascension deck everyone was pointing to that got killed wasnt even a storm deck. It used Thing flip and Bolts/Helixes with an active Ascension to win.
I liked that deck too.
He is too controlling to be Simic.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Eugenics are anti green.
It is a sweet card in the right format.
We did it folks! We did it!
charlequin
Banned
The defining characteristic of Urza as a character is that he doesn't believe in predestination or inevitability except what he can create with his own plans. He's actively hostile throughout his entire story to the idea that there's a "natural" way of things, or that you should leave anything well enough alone, or that it's okay for a society to develop without a firm intellectual hand guiding it. When they talk about how a four-color character would be defined by their opposition to the missing color, Urza is like a perfect example.
FWIW I think Urza was already showing plenty of Esper tendencies early on. The Brothers' War storyline makes perfect sense as a conflict (on both philosophical and emotional levels) between Esper and Grixis. After the war Urza picks up red in part out of some unconscious emulation of his brother, I think.
I think he becomes Grixis dominate with a little white left.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I still don't understand the mindset behind foiling entire decks. I like a little bling but the whole deck being shiny is hideous to me.
The same reason people buy expensive sports cars in garish colors.
charlequin
Banned
Enough white to count, I think. The Bloodlines project is a very Esper solution to the problem he's dealing with. But he definitely goes way up in red as time goes on, yeah.
For non-rotating formats, where you are playing the same deck for years, it gives you something to do. With Standard, you are constantly getting new cards and seeing new things, so the idea of slowly building to your ultimate deck is appealing. I've been doing something like this slowly over the years with my affinity deck- I have WPN Vault Skirges and Signal Pests, Gameday Full-art Memnites, Antiquities Ornithopters, Russian Springleaf Drums, and foil Darksteel Citadels.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Maro specifically says "no" to Tribal, but he said things like that about Madness too.
I'm sure a new supertype will exist, but there'd need to be a specific reason, e.g. some rule doesn't let a card exist without a supertype (which is how Tribal came about).
Lets see how healthy Standard is
Granted he had 3 byes and thus missed the rouge decks in the early rounds, but only playing against 2 archtypes the whole tournament!
Yes, and no idea what it will be
No, like everything else in Lorywn that wasn't Planeswalkers, it was deemed a failure and something we will never see again. Pretty sure Maro answered a question recently that said it was more likely that we get a new Fairytale plane than we get a return to Lorwyn
Granted he had 3 byes and thus missed the rouge decks in the early rounds, but only playing against 2 archtypes the whole tournament!
Yes, and no idea what it will be
No, like everything else in Lorywn that wasn't Planeswalkers, it was deemed a failure and something we will never see again. Pretty sure Maro answered a question recently that said it was more likely that we get a new Fairytale plane than we get a return to Lorwyn
Lets see how healthy Standard is
Granted he had 3 byes and thus missed the rouge decks in the early rounds, but only playing against 2 archtypes the whole tournament!
Is this officially worse variety than CoCo standard?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I don't consider modern as that constant, affinity is almost an outlier in that sense but even there lands and in particular the sideboard changes repeatedly. It hasn't been until last year Affinity started sideboarding Blood Moon for instance.
Heck I'm having trouble figuring out a sideboard for my Fish.
Imagine someone locking into RG tron, having it foiled out makes any meta adjustments that much more expensive.
Lastly I'd just like to play more formats or decks over having it shiny.
Foiling my Nath stax edh deck right now.
I am not sure why to be honest but it is fun for me to do.
I also really like the deck and don't think that I would tear it apart.
Also foiling now opens up some staples for other decks I am in the process of building which I think is nice.
FreedomFrisbee
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Urza is fairly explicitly everything BUT green. It's pretty baked into the story. The bloodlines project was facilitated through artifice, and Urza's general adherence to artifice puts him at odds with green. Using all colors doesn't really make him an all colors character.
Is stax a deck? #unbanchromemox
Infinite Stars
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Todd Stevens' deck makes me cry with joy. I wish there was room in the main board for Arbiter/Mindcensor because that's just the spiciest spice.
In terms of Standard, I'm fully on the "Ban Gideon, Felidar, Aetherworks Marvel, and Constrictor" train. It's kind of absurdist that they've printed a 4 Mana walker that is deemed good enough for Legacy and has dominated the format since his printing in BFZ. He's one of 3 non land cards that sees play from BFZ iirc, and the others are so less prevalent.
Here's the list of things that Gideon does for 4 Mana:
Shit out a 2/2 each turn
Become an indestructible 5/5 that gains the text "Crew Heart of Kiran for Free once this turn cycle"
Create an Anthem that turns all future Gideon Tokens into Heart of Kiran Crewers.
Like, you remove Gideon and suddenly Heart of Kiran's alternative crew cost is now an actual COST.
In terms of Standard, I'm fully on the "Ban Gideon, Felidar, Aetherworks Marvel, and Constrictor" train. It's kind of absurdist that they've printed a 4 Mana walker that is deemed good enough for Legacy and has dominated the format since his printing in BFZ. He's one of 3 non land cards that sees play from BFZ iirc, and the others are so less prevalent.
Here's the list of things that Gideon does for 4 Mana:
Shit out a 2/2 each turn
Become an indestructible 5/5 that gains the text "Crew Heart of Kiran for Free once this turn cycle"
Create an Anthem that turns all future Gideon Tokens into Heart of Kiran Crewers.
Like, you remove Gideon and suddenly Heart of Kiran's alternative crew cost is now an actual COST.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
does 8-Rack count?
Giant Panda
Member
What rule requires Tribal supertype? Like to me it seems that with only a few small changes they could get rid of tribal super type and still have creature subtypes on noncreatures.
Really wish they'd stop saying the Probe ban is the reason why Infect is on the downswing though.
It gives you an avenue to continue upgrading/collecting cards that make your deck more unique. It's unfortunate that so many promos with unique art are foil otherwise I'd seriously consider foiling out my decks more. The shitty foiling process curling with the slightest bit of humidity here in Texas keeps me from seriously considering it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Didn't they do tribal for accessibility reasons? Much less likely to miss the interactions with the supertype than otherwise.
Infinite Stars
Member
Well, the Probe ban is a part of the decrease of Infect. Probe gave you information, fueled Become Immense, and drew a card for 2 life. Push being a card now definitely hurts Infect, but Infect now lacking the ability to see if the coast is clear hurts it just as much.
I do think Infect will bounce back, it's just I don't know in what form. Become Immense is probably out (and I could see something else leaving with it, maybe a less painful manabase now that BI is gone)
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