Yeah, because they ceratinly didn't do that a week back.
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Major Nelson: "We Are Listening!"
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Yeah, because they ceratinly didn't do that a week back.
It's certainly possible. I wouldn't put it past them to think the issue was with "always online," and to reduce that in a very semantic way to the word "always," when that wasn't really the issue.
People don't want this type of thing at all - I don't think the check frequency was ever the real issue for many people.
They have to avoid it. I bet they had a huge of "WE NEED TO STOP SHITTING THE BED WITH OUR COMMUNICATION. EVERYONE SHUT UP." So they are avoiding answering for now. Yet so has Sony. I don't remember reading that there will be No DRM and used games on the PS4. Everyone is asking those questions, cheering Sony's response that they are a gaming console, while people are demanding more answers from MS, who clearly stated "Wait for E3'.
Can you imagine how different things would be if MS kept quiet about Online checks, Kinect camera and Account ownership of games? I might be reasonable to assume that because of all the leaks about alwaysonline/usedgames they might have decided to take the shit now, rather than hide it during the reveal then dump it as a surprise at E3. That would have been a little more like they were hiding it.
Actually I think SONY can't introduce any DRM/Used game policy now. After all the shit MS got, and how they have responded to the community and said "The PS4 is a games console." to come out with those things intact would be seen as super slimy.
Miles Quaritch
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No answers today.
Excellent, sounds like this might just turn in the consumers favour.
I wouldn't say so. I mean it's possible, but it's also possible they are scrambling to remove those features or at least disable them so they can claim there's no anti used DRM at launch.
I also wouldn't be so sure about deals with publishers, it seems the CEO of the one of the biggest third party publishers (Take Two) didn't even know MS were planning to do this...
Perhaps I'm just overly optimistic? I believe things might be turning around.
Same can be said about Sony.
rakkadakka
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Introduction or not, that decision is not being made in the 3 weeks before E3.
They either have something setup with the publishers already or they don't.
Monty Mole
Member
Probably just as likely they're discussing plans with publishers, and they're still not finalised.
miDnIghtEr20C
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I'm sure you believe the Sony side right? With them saying they're listening.
Tyrone_Biggums
Banned
Well you can't expect the conspiracy theories to hold back too long now can you?
But Sony is there for us, gamers at heart.
Stone Ocean
Member
Sony PR hasn't been running it's mouth with conflicting info.
I tweeted Xbox support with a video I did last week, which is more or less the same points people have been making on GAF, and they claimed they would watch it.
I have my doubts
I have my doubts
Monty Mole
Member
lol
The Living Tribunal
Member
Yeah, all they want is world peace.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Thank you Sony! You had me worried when I bought your PS3 and it came with a Spider-Man Bluray.
How dare you X1 for only doing everything!!1!!ONE!!
Master Genesis Dream
Banned
I'm getting a feeling that some kind of wish that MS keeps a strict DRM policy...
Master Genesis Dream
Banned
Tell me this is sarcasm. Isn't it?
They've said it'd be up to publishers while also saying the equivalent of "no comment". Not as bad as MS but still somewhat conflicting.
I just wanted reasons to buy it, and they aren't giving me any. I like to buy all consoles so I'm never locked out of playing an exclusive.
Monty Mole
Member
They just want an easier decision when it comes to choosing between two consoles this Fall. I don't think Microsoft will actually let it be that easy though
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Stone Ocean
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Vague and conflicting aren't the same thing. The key here is that they kept their vague stance instead of giving incomplete and/or wrong info.
MS PR on the other hand threw shit on the ceiling fan and then asked us to pretend we didn't see that.
They've said:
- Used games can be played on PS4 (whether that means without any kind of restriction - even if it's just online passes - is unclear)
- the PS4 can be used completely offline
- we won't require you to activate your games online. Other publishers might, it's up to them.
Months later, when Kotaku asked again, the answer was "No change from what was said previously" which was somehow spun into "Sony declines to comment" by Kotaku.
Mithos
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No answers today.
He probably forgot to pay the fee.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
So if all publishers that made PS4 games have to connect to online at least once per play, that would be pretty much the same thing right?
Miles Quaritch
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Excellent. Let's hope they watch it.
Good video by the way. Agree with all points.
Also, you didn't buy the N-GAGE? You monster.
Visualante2
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b01snxy9/ report begins around 38 minutes.
General discussion is "we don't know what is happening but it won't play your 360 games, it won't play used games unless you pay a royalty and it looks like the PlayStation will do the same thing"
Interview was a bit of a mess but it's worth noting that Radio 4 has a big readership with older people, people likely to have kids and not keep up to date on consumer electronics. As noted on Twitter: PR disaster for Microsoft.
General discussion is "we don't know what is happening but it won't play your 360 games, it won't play used games unless you pay a royalty and it looks like the PlayStation will do the same thing"
Interview was a bit of a mess but it's worth noting that Radio 4 has a big readership with older people, people likely to have kids and not keep up to date on consumer electronics. As noted on Twitter: PR disaster for Microsoft.
Didn`t say they were.
miDnIghtEr20C
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The main thing I took from your video is that you don't wear your hat like a douche. Great job! That's an old school rim right there on a hat.
You see that new school kids with your fat rims not bent!!!! Break that cap in and bend that rim! That's how it's supposed to be. I hate that non bent bro'd out rim on a hat that all the youngsters wear these days. Damn whippersnappers.
Oh, and I'm here in Huntington Beach Cali, I see that douche look a lot!
Nice video hope they listen, and way to rock a ball cap the old school way!
Wildstar75
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I don't think they are listening. If the were, they wouldn't have screwed up so bad the day of the announce. They had indications this would happen after their employee leaked always on on Twitter to a huge negative reception that resulted in him getting canned.
GenericUser
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I think major nelson is one of the good guys at microsoft and he has my attention when it comes to this.
Really hope microsoft understood that xbone, in its current state, is not going to be accepted by the customers, you can not even shove it down their throat and hope for the best.
Looking forward to good news on the ms drm/used games front and I sure hope for some good gaming related news during e3.
Really hope microsoft understood that xbone, in its current state, is not going to be accepted by the customers, you can not even shove it down their throat and hope for the best.
Looking forward to good news on the ms drm/used games front and I sure hope for some good gaming related news during e3.
Sort of.
XBO is getting beat up right now for two separate DRM related reasons:
-Internet required because of 24 hour checks.
-Inability to trade, share, or privately sell your games because of profile locks and full price "fees" (if we listen to what Harrison and Booty say)
The first issue is bad because not everyone has access to good or stable internet but I think the second issue is what has most people really riled up because its just a way to gouge more money out of us.
If Sony requires internet (and if we trust what they say, they already said that it wont) then thats definitely a knock against them.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Not to damage control, but you wouldn't necessarily need a good or stable internet connection for the 24hr check in. I assume it's as simple as logging into XBL and letting it refresh the licences and then you're free to go back into offline mode. something like that wouldn't, or more accurately, shouldn't take more than a minute.
That's just an assumption though.
I also expect a torrent of DRM free Skittles every time I'll turn my PS4 on.
I would have been Sidetalkin' had it gotten cheap enough, but being a cell phone prevented that from happening. In Box QD's still go for 100+ on ebay. No thanks.
I do have a copy of Super Monkey Ball N-Gage I got for 5 bucks right after the system tanked. The console just never got cheap enough
Sola Scriptura
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E3 is the deadline for me. If I don't have straight answers by the time E3 is over, whether from their conference, media interviews, official statements from Major Nelson, whatever, I'm done.
something fishy
Member
They are the for their share holders. They are doing a better job of seeming to be gamer focused right now though.
BruiserBear
Banned
Yeah. That was the general thought that kept going through my mind last week as Microsoft fumbled over it's answers time and time again.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Yeah, this was pretty annoying. It all but tanked as soon as it was released and yet it still managed to keep its ludicrous price.
bah.
Done with both Sony and MS? I mean, we need answers from them both.
This was posted in the MS E3 conference thread.
Jake Tower
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Boom
Sola Scriptura
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I meant done with MS. But if MS confirms bad decisions and Sony ends up adopting the same policies, I'm not sure what I'll do at that point.
SkullplateMurray
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Ignore if old but Microsoft's new Xbox One design trailer is hilarious.
"It's a special colour called liquid black, and it's the blackest black we could achieve with an injection-moulded resin." So, black then.
"It's a special colour called liquid black, and it's the blackest black we could achieve with an injection-moulded resin." So, black then.
Don't believe either Sony or MS until you have verified reports. All this spin and "we're listening" crap is just that, crap. They will implement these features, as others have said they just need to find a good way to make it NOT sound like DRM. We're talking about a company in Sony who used to say the PS2 was powering some countries nuclear weapons, and in MS who says the "cloud" will make their system go from 10 to 40 times as powerful as the 360.
Get real.
Get real.