Deacan said:Damn you Nintendo and your family friendly image of all the family playing the Wii on the couch.
Deacan said:Damn you Nintendo and your family friendly image of all the family playing the Wii on the couch.
RandomVince said:Oh **** off.
Australian PAL Wii owner here. UK import was my #1 hope. There's sweet bugger all chance of NZ getting it since they usually get the UK games (and dont even start on the odds of Australia getting it).
NekoFever said:Games don't even have to have a BBFC rating though, do they? A lot of them do because it's illegal to sell, for example, an 18-rated game to an under-18 and so it covers them for that eventuality (they took steps to prevent the sale to minors so it was the store that broke the law), but there's legally nothing to stop them just slapping the mandatory but legally unenforced PEGI rating on there.
BBFC Website said:The British Board of Film Classification is an independent, non-governmental body, which has classified cinema films since it was set up in 1912, and videos since the passing of the Video Recordings Act in 1984.
Kinan said:Thats the only game I'm glad that its banned in Germany, so UK board decision pleases me immensely. **** the freedom of choice, if society is not conscious enough to protect itself from clearly asocial messages of this game (by choosing not to buy such a game at all), at least an attempt of protection should be made by governments.
Rezbit said:No waggle-stranglings for us . This could actually be problematic for Rockstar, because there will be a massive chunk of the gaming community that will never see this, and hence the sales of this game could be a lot crapper than they normally would. Then we'll hear "Mature games don't sell on Nintendo lols!"
noizbot said:Isn't it nice when governments decide for us what we can and cannot do in the privacy of our own homes?
That popular site with all the smarts said:In the UK, the game was linked to the murder of Stefan Pakeerah, 14, by his friend Warren Leblanc, 17. Giselle Pakeerah, the victim's mother, claimed[9] that Leblanc had been 'obsessed' with the game after the former pleaded guilty in court. During the subsequent media circus, the game was removed from sale by some vendors, such as the UK and international branches of GAME and Dixons, leading to "significantly increased" demand[10] both from retailers and on internet auction sites. The police denied any such link between the game and the murder however,[11] citing drug-related robbery as the motive. The presiding judge also placed sole responsibility with Leblanc in his summing up after awarding him a life sentence.[12] GAME have since returned Manhunt to their shelves, after it transpired that the murderer did not even own or ever play the game. It was apparently the victim who owned a copy of Manhunt, even though he was under 18.[13]
Setanta said:Other European version would be Ireland. Identical releases to the UK ones, same distributors etc. i.e 'Nintendo UK and Ireland' andd so forth.
Irish Ebay users will make a bit of money.
Stop It said:Also, this is not the end of the matter, like in Germany, and Japan with similar violent games, Rockstar are permitted to submit a toned down version to get it past the BBFC, and trust me, the BBFC are usually quite liberal, this game must really push the envelope, and as much as I am an advocate of freedom of media, Rockstar may have just pushed past the borders of reasonable acceptability.
RandomVince said:Well it could even put the chances of a PAL port at zero. Germany, UK, Australia will most likely now not be getting the game. I guess the US version will have a spanish language option (???) so maybe the only hope for English speaking PAL Wii owners is if Rockstar release it in mainland EU with an English language option.
I guess to maximise chances of that happening, all EU Wii owners need to go out and buy Godfather, Driver and Scarface ASAP. Multiple copies too please.
MadFuzzy said:It frankly wouldn't surprise me if they had already produced a cut version of the title internally, but submitted the standard "full violence" version first to test the water at the BBFC and get some cheap publicity if it was rejected, which is what happened. A couple of grand for being refused an age rating is worth a hell of a lot more to them in terms of PR than it passing with less fuss.
What are the bets that they'll be appealing and submitting an edited version in the next few weeks that will pass at 18?
m14 said:This is a massive blow for the Wii.
test_account said:What does Manhunt (or any game for that sake) have to do with what we can and cannot do in our own homes?
The fact that the BBFC is trying to stop people from playing it?test_account said:What does Manhunt (or any game for that sake) have to do with what we can and cannot do in our own homes?
Setanta said:Ermm....I'll say this again: Ireland.
Setanta said:Ermm....I'll say this again: Ireland.
Are you serious? What kinda commie countries are you guys living in?!Polari said:Pretty much guaranteed banned in New Zealand, then. Unlike in Australia, here having a copy, let alone selling one, will get you arrested.
I hope a four-member panel refused to classify even Hostel and Hostel part II, either way that would be a little paradoxical in my opinion....A four-member panel
loosus said:Are you serious? What kinda commie countries are you guys living in?!
NekoFever said:Games don't even have to have a BBFC rating though, do they? A lot of them do because it's illegal to sell, for example, an 18-rated game to an under-18 and so it covers them for that eventuality (they took steps to prevent the sale to minors so it was the store that broke the law), but there's legally nothing to stop them just slapping the mandatory but legally unenforced PEGI rating on there. It just leaves them vulnerable to the tabloid shitstorm.
*enjoys imported Wii and modded PS2*
In the case of Manhunt 2 this has not been possible. Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing.
There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game.
Although the difference should not be exaggerated the fact of the games unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game.
Stop It said:1 to 1, it will happen, Rockstar will not neglect the UK market by doing so, they also knew that the BBFCs reaction usually defines where the rest of Europe will go in regards to game classification also, so it was a wise choice to start with them, now they know they have pushed it too far, and will submit a not so OTT version within a month, Manhunt 2 WILL be released here in the UK, just not the version originally submitted.
MANHUNT 2
PAUL JACKSON - DIRECTOR GENERAL, ELSPA
"A decision from the BBFC such as this demonstrates that we have a games ratings system in the UK that is effective. It shows it works and works well. Any decision the BBFC takes, it takes on the basis of its remit to rate on screen entertainment.
"The games industry is a creative phenomenon that produces all kinds of games across all kinds of genres that appeal to all kinds of people across the country, young and old, male and female. The important thing to know is that all games are rated according to age suitability, with over 70 per cent of games being available to all ages over three years."
Uhh. I just read what you posted. I'm sure it's EXACTLY what EVERY SINGLE person thought.Bleeders said:Anyone actually ready WHY the BBFC rejected Manhunt 2?
So they basically get to legislate how much violence (and "alternatives") that a game must have now?Bleeders said:Anyone actually ready WHY the BBFC rejected Manhunt 2?
deftangel said:Under the Video Recordings Act (1984) some games do. Games are normally exempt from the Act and can carry just a PEGI rating unless they contain content that might cause them to lose exemption. Such content includes,
* Gross acts of violence towards humans or animals,
* Horrific behaviour or incidents
* Human sexual activity
* Criminal behaviour
loosus said:So they basically get to legislate how much violence (and "alternatives") that a game must have now?
I can't wait until they start legislating difficulty of games, too. "Mario Galaxy is clearly too difficult and would cause headache and hassle for citizens. We are suspending this game until more 1-UPs are added. By the way, tighten up the graphics on Level 5!"
noizbot said:Err.. it has to do with whether we can play them or not.......
RandomVince said:Well it could even put the chances of a PAL port at zero. Germany, UK, Australia will most likely now not be getting the game. I guess the US version will have a spanish language option (???) so maybe the only hope for English speaking PAL Wii owners is if Rockstar release it in mainland EU with an English language option.
I guess to maximise chances of that happening, all EU Wii owners need to go out and buy Godfather, Driver and Scarface ASAP. Multiple copies too please.
that thought has crossed my mind.MadFuzzy said:They're probably just playing the BBFC in the same way that Eli Roth and Rob Zombie play the MPAA to get their movies passed at R rather than NC-17.
It's day 27 in the Big Brother house and BBFC have stopped the other housemates from playing Manhunt 2?Bleeders said:Welcome to United Kingdom, 2007.
Big Brother is watching you... telling you what to do... what you can and can't play etc.
it may be illegal to import it. i know that customs occasionally seize films banned from england, though that might just be for certain porn movies.test_account said:But in that case, shouldnt anything be allowed as long as you do it in the privacy in your home? Correct me if i'm wrong, but i doubt you get jail or a fine if you play Manhunt in a country where its banned, its just not allowed to be sold there.
Bleeders said:Welcome to United Kingdom, 2007.
Big Brother is watching you... telling you what to do... what you can and can't play etc.
Stop It said:To every person in this thread saying the BBFC is somesort of government agency: Shut up and read this
Stop It said:Also, this is not the end of the matter, like in Germany, and Japan with similar violent games, Rockstar are permitted to submit a toned down version to get it past the BBFC, and trust me, the BBFC are usually quite liberal, this game must really push the envelope, and as much as I am an advocate of freedom of media, Rockstar may have just pushed past the borders of reasonable acceptability.