Hopefully. There should be no reason we shouldn't be allowed to sell our own games via eBay/Amazon/whereverIndeed. This shit won't fly in Europe, the national competition boards and the EU CC will force MS to open up the system.
Hopefully. There should be no reason we shouldn't be allowed to sell our own games via eBay/Amazon/whereverIndeed. This shit won't fly in Europe, the national competition boards and the EU CC will force MS to open up the system.
Also, does that mean each game disc now has a unique identifier chip in it somewhere, otherwise how will the retailer know which account the traded in disc comes from? Doesn't work otherwise unless GameStop have a box in the store where people trading in games can log in and mark the games as traded or something. Very cumbersome without a unique identifier chip, also that is technology that would have to be licenced from Sony, who I'm quite sure are not selling a licence for that tech.
I'm still waiting on Steam reselling after the EU's ruling.Indeed. This shit won't fly in Europe, the national competition boards and the EU CC will force MS to open up the system.
So what? Who lends £40 discs to get scratched to fuck anyway?
You can't. This is actually terrible for me. I don't trade in to retailers, I trade games online.I'm confused
Sooo what if I want to sell it on ebay?
Games aren't cars.
I don't see how this will effect cost one way or another. You'll buy a used game the same way you always have. How you get it to work is what's changing.
Sony have a very broad patent on including unique identifier chips in game discs. I'm pretty sure MS would have to licence it.
I'm still waiting on Steam reselling after the EU's ruling.
Publishers Win
Retailers Win
This is something both sides of the equation can support... what, therefore is the big deal if you can still go to a major retailer and trade in your stuff?
Who cares if it is wiped from your account? You no longer have the fucking game.
I can't see how gamestop or game are going to be ok with that haha. Start stacking those wii u pre-owned games up boys
No private sales makes it a cartel.
Per PH's description, the solution for private sales will be a user-to-user license exchange over the network. The buyer will pay full price. The seller will, I presume, only get Xbox credit and not be able to cash out their cut of the sale.
Is this real life? Honestly, there are people who are actually OKAY/FINE with this? Really? REALLY?
1. Destroys companies like Gamefly, and Blockbuster, and Redbox for renting games.
2. Destroys private selling to friends/co-workers/relatives/etc..
3. Can't lend/borrow game to your friend for a few days anymore.
I mean this is anti-consumerism at it's finest, and some of you are actually "okay" and "fine" with this. Just shaking my head right now in utter disbelief. It'll be because of people like you that drives this industry towards further hell.
Kills eBay and Amazon marketplace and selling the game privately.
Also, does that mean each game disc now has a unique identifier chip in it somewhere, otherwise how will the retailer know which account the traded in disc comes from?
Yep, but their choosing not to is rather silly. The tech seems sound.
They are allowing private sales, just through their own network via licence transfers.
Essentially gifting but more convoluted.
I think you can imprint a UID on discs without a chip or whatever. I think this is already done on some platforms?
As long as they have a unique identifier, MS can know exactly where a disc is at all times. Which user or which retailer.
This is enough to know which retailer to ask a cut from.
It's enough to know whether to ask the buying user for a fee or not (i.e. don't ask if the disc was last at an approved retailer, do ask otherwise).
Publishers Win
Retailers Win
GamesBeat: Theres been a lot of chatter on particular controversial subjects leading up to this. People want to know about used games, about backward compatibility, and about the constant connection. What are some of the facts on those? Can you play used games on the Xbox One? Do you have to pay a fee?
Harrison: Just like today, if you have a game disc that you buy from the store, you can play that game. The game is now installed to the hard drive. Any user who is associated with that Xbox One can play that game. I can give that game disc to my son and he can go and take it to another machine inside the house and play it on that machine. Just like today, only one of us can play it at any one time.
The difference, though the benefit of Xbox One is that that data can roam with me. I can go to my friends house. I can log in as myself into his machine. I can then play that game on his machine, and while Im logged in, he can play it as well.
GamesBeat: Do you bring your disc with you, or could you use his disc?
Harrison: Doesnt matter, yeah. If I bring my disc with me and I leave the bits on his hard drive, but he wants to play the game, he can buy the game just like today. But in this instance, the bits were already on his hard drive, so its an instant switch-out. We will have a solution and were not talking about the details today but just to take the angst out of this that allows a user to trade that game back in and to give up the right to play that game.there's more questions in the article so give it a read.
...Wait. So not only people will have to pay for buying pre-owned games, but they will pay for activation too? ...A 35 Pounds fee activation? WHAT?
ThisDoesn't sound too bad. It's good that developers are getting a cut of used game sales. Hopefully Amazon is one of the authorized resellers.
Publishers Win
Retailers Win
This is something both sides of the equation can support... what, therefore is the big deal if you can still go to a major retailer and trade in your stuff?
Who cares if it is wiped from your account? You no longer have the fucking game.
This
Is this real life? Honestly, there are people who are actually OKAY/FINE with this? Really? REALLY?
Destroys companies like Gamefly, and Blockbuster, and Redbox for renting games.
Destroys private selling to friends/co-workers/relatives/etc..
Can't lend/borrow game to your friend for a few days anymore.
I mean this is anti-consumerism at it's finest, and some of you are actually "okay" and "fine" with this. Just shaking my head right now in utter disbelief. It'll be because of people like you that drives this industry towards further hell.
This
I'm guessing if the disc is installed on a new system/account then it's removed from the old.
So retailers don't matter, you can give to a friend etc.
Seems the old decent way to handle it.
Kills eBay and Amazon marketplace and selling the game privately.
Also, does that mean each game disc now has a unique identifier chip in it somewhere, otherwise how will the retailer know which account the traded in disc comes from? Doesn't work otherwise unless GameStop have a box in the store where people trading in games can log in and mark the games as traded or something. Very cumbersome without a unique identifier chip, also that is technology that would have to be licenced from Sony, who I'm quite sure are not selling a licence for that tech.
Kills eBay and Amazon marketplace and selling the game privately.
Also, does that mean each game disc now has a unique identifier chip in it somewhere, otherwise how will the retailer know which account the traded in disc comes from? Doesn't work otherwise unless GameStop have a box in the store where people trading in games can log in and mark the games as traded or something. Very cumbersome without a unique identifier chip, also that is technology that would have to be licenced from Sony, who I'm quite sure are not selling a licence for that tech.
Publishers Win
Retailers Win
Publishers Win
Retailers Win
This is something both sides of the equation can support... what, therefore is the big deal if you can still go to a major retailer and trade in your stuff?
Who cares if it is wiped from your account? You no longer have the fucking game.
Is this real life? Honestly, there are people who are actually OKAY/FINE with this? Really? REALLY?
Destroys companies like Gamefly, and Blockbuster, and Redbox for renting games.
Destroys private selling to friends/co-workers/relatives/etc..
Can't lend/borrow game to your friend for a few days anymore.
I mean this is anti-consumerism at it's finest, and some of you are actually "okay" and "fine" with this. Just shaking my head right now in utter disbelief. It'll be because of people like you that drives this industry towards further hell.
I'm guessing if the disc is installed on a new system/account then it's removed from the old.
So retailers don't matter, you can give to a friend etc.
Seems the old decent way to handle it.
You're missing the bit where it says that retailers have to tie into Azure. Doesn't this also mean the end of small independent retailers being able to sell used games? I would assume there would be a cost associated with hooking into Azure unless its simply a web-based thing that retailers need to register for?
Amazon didn't say any of that. The figures were taken from Amazon. The site that took the figures said that.I'm also inclined to believe this is true as it explains Amazon's salty article this morning:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=564733
"The Xbox Ones disappointing reveal has shot up sales of the Wii U on Amazon.com. The system was at #390 before the conference, but now has shot up to #40 due to Microsofts glorified TV box.
This momentum should carry Nintendo right into the summer as they have big plans for the Wii U at E3 and this fall. The console race has just begun but its good to see gamers are picking up a system thats dedicated to gaming first, and multimedia second."
Because this system will effectively kill used Marketplace for Xbone games.
Sony have a very broad patent on including unique identifier chips in game discs. I'm pretty sure MS would have to licence it.
Per PH's description, the solution for private sales will be a user-to-user license exchange over the network. The buyer will pay full price. The seller will, I presume, only get Xbox credit and not be able to cash out their cut of the sale.
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Has anybody read this??
On Used Games
Harrison: Just like today, if you have a game disc that you buy from the store, you can play that game. The game is now installed to the hard drive. Any user who is associated with that Xbox One can play that game. I can give that game disc to my son and he can go and take it to another machine inside the house and play it on that machine. Just like today, only one of us can play it at any one time.
The difference, though the benefit of Xbox One is that that data can roam with me. I can go to my friends house. I can log in as myself into his machine. I can then play that game on his machine, and while Im logged in, he can play it as well.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/publ...of-xbox-one-pre-owned-sales-at-retail/0116137
Pretty much exactly what I and a couple of other posters were suggesting in another thread. Not code based though by the sounds of it.
edit - if a Mod could add 'Xbox One' to the title, that'd be great Sorry...
Is this real life? Honestly, there are people who are actually OKAY/FINE with this? Really? REALLY?
Destroys companies like Gamefly, and Blockbuster, and Redbox for renting games.
Destroys private selling to friends/co-workers/relatives/etc..
Can't lend/borrow game to your friend for a few days anymore.
I mean this is anti-consumerism at it's finest, and some of you are actually "okay" and "fine" with this. Just shaking my head right now in utter disbelief. It'll be because of people like you that drives this industry towards further hell.