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Media Create Sales 3/10 - 3/16
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Mefisutoferesu
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABishopLamont said:
Oh yeah, Japan's a bastion of creativity, just like America, and just like America they buy the same ~10 or so series over and over ad nauseam. That's why 3D is evil and changing DQ in even the slightest boarders on heresy. I have no clue why things are the way they are, but it's definitely not because Japan suddenly collectively decided they want new experiences.
BishopLamont
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Yeah those traditional games on the PS3 are doing so great, while the Wii is flopping left and right.Mefisutoferesu said:
Don't take it literally, it's just an example of new experiences doing well.Lobster said:
:lolMefisutoferesu said:
Of course the majority of Japanese gamers want something new! Generally speaking they're bored shitless of playing the same thing over and over again, which is understandable. This is a key reason why DS and Wii have been so popular and why PSP and PS3 are selling such low amounts of sw. And this decline has been happening for years, you'd have to be as blind as a Japanese 3rd party to think otherwise.
Another major reason is a back to basics approach to gaming. Many people are enjoying simpler games because so many titles were (and still are in many cases) becoming too complicated and tedious to play.
You're right in one sense though, you really 'have no clue why things are the way they are'
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That's interesting to hear. I doubt Nintendo would make any official announcement before their March 31st year end financial release, due late April. We could be looking at Nintendo shipping between 25 and 30 million systems.Neomoto said:I don't know where to put this bit of information, which could be interesting, but I didn't want to make a thread or something so I'll put it here.
Yesterday at the news in the Netherlands, the channel did an item about the Wii, about it's heavy shortages right now and they got an upportunity to already demo Wii Fit at Nintendo with a Nintendo rep present, and one of the most known game journalist in the Netherlands (so no incorrect bullshit). All fine and dandy, but the Nintendo rep said that Nintendo has "readied some additional factories and has now an output of 2 million Wii's per month."
I don't know about how accurate it is, and if it was known it would be all over the internet by know but at the very least it could be an indication that Nintendo will up their output sooner than expected? Just in time for the launch of Wii Fit and Brawl perhaps? Like I said, it was an item about the Wii on prime time news so it isn't just anything
AdventureRacing
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Starchasing said:
.... :lol
JoshuaJSlone
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I think he meant "new experiences" in a different way than "isn't a direct sequel to a previous game". A PS3 Koei war game isn't necessarily a new experience just because it doesn't have a number* in the title.bcn-ron said:
*"Hundred" excepted.
AnimeTheme
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sphinx said:
Some people blamed way too much on the 3rd parties for their so called "lack of vision". Wii really IS a confusing machine itself. It's very successful in the casual game market, yes, but what has it proved for the traditional hardcore market? Other than a few games which are popular enough franchise by themselves and have an obvious enough advantage in switching to Wiimote (eg. RE4/UC), most others just bomb big. Even in the casual game market itself, we haven't seen Wii opening up a really wide variety of new opportunities so far, other than some party games and mini game collections.
What do you want the 3rd parties to do? Betting a much bigger budget on their traditional games that have proved little to no success on Wii so far? Or just completely give up what they have done and proved successful in the previous generations and switch to making Nintendo clones and shovelwares?
AnimeTheme said:
I dont see the bombs...
Hardcore games like Mario Galaxy, Zelda TP, Metroid Prime 3, RE 4 Wii Edition, RE UC, No More Heroes (I mean you saw how Killer7 sold..?) sold well.. WE Wii Edition is selling well and outsold WE 6 FE on GC easily..
In the casual space Family Ski and Deca Sporta sold impressive numbers... When was the last time Namdai sold over 100k in Japan anyways.. (Hudson sold over 1 million with MP8 so lets count those bastards out)
Rancid Mildew
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AnimeTheme said:
Excluding RE4 and REUC is pretty disingenuous in my opinion. Those two games shattered Capcom's expectations in every way imaginable and is enough proof that core IPs can thrive on the system.
Pureauthor
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And Capcom rewarded that devotion with RE0. Smashing job, there.
I tried to find it for you, and I found this website but my browser crashes when I try to view the video (because it's in wmv, don't askSule said:
). http://www.rtl.nl/service/gemist/zaterdag/ and then search (ctrl f) for RTL Nieuws or Uitzending 19:30 uur (22-03). I'm not sure it will be on it but this would be the best change of finding it I think. Edit: I was mistaken in the date (which would have been saturday and not sunday), which is corrected now.
Pureauthor
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gconsole said:
Uh, the issue in question wasn't whether RE4HD would sell on 360, it was whether RE4: Wii Edition could sell on the Wii.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Yeah, wow, such good numbers for Family Ski, WE Playmaker, RE4....1 of those even broke 100k! And Wii userbase is just 5,56m! Such amazing performance.
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Pureauthor
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Sales expectations do not increase proprotionally to increased userbase.
Starchasing
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ziran said:
That already happened in Europe when Singstar and Buzz dominated the charts for a long ass time.
The problem is that tradiotional games are selling relatively less every time. The biggest worldwide hits in the last years have been Nintendogs and Brain Training, soon to be followed with WiiFit. You cant blame no one if the demand isnt there.
On the other hand , since the Wii has a classic controller, the only big difference with the HD machines is that is less powerfull. It has been proven by the DS that you dont need outstanding graphic power to make hardcore games. Thats why i see history repeating. Hardocre gamers will bitch and moan for a while, but sooner or later manby hardcore games will be taylor made for the wii and no people will stop complaining.
As a matter of fact, how many people that are enjoying EO today did laugh when the DS or Nintendogs were announced?
Kurosaki Ichigo
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I'm sure 3rd parties are relieved to know they are bound to fight for scraps everywhere then!Pureauthor said:
AnimeTheme
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farnham said:
For bombs, I was basically just talking about most 3rd party hardcore games on Wii. I wouldn't call NMH and WE PM a success on Wii. A mere pass, at most.
Even if you want to talk about 1st party hardcore games, let's take a look at how Mario Galaxy and Zelda TP perform, in Japan. Do you think they perform overwhelmingly well? Do you think their success has a lot to do with the new control scheme/Wii philosophy, but not basically just their established franchise popularity and the sheer increased size (when compared with GC) of Wii's user base?
Rancid Mildew said:
I don't really get what you mean by "excluding" them. RE4/UC is definitely an example of success of core games on Wii, yes. But you can't deny that as I said RE is a popular franchise by itself, and such gun shooting actions suit Wiimote in an obvious enough way. It's not like most other core games can share similar successful factors.
Pureauthor
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Also, I'd hardly call the sales of a particular port of a two-year old game 'scraps'.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Of course you wouldn't but they are scraps of the big cake, and they aren't getting anymore than that.Pureauthor said:
But since you just told me that it doesn't matter how big the cake is, I'm sure 3rd parties will be happy to share their precious scraps between them!
Pureauthor
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Of course it doesn't matter how big the cake is - what matters is the size of your slice! And once again, I'd hardly call the Capcom's slice of cake 'scraps'.
Starchasing
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
read some bussiness books or something... all companies are after profits not after sales per se or marketshare or anything else
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Or they will just go budget.ksamedi said:
The size of your slice which is scraps compared to the cake you took them from.Pureauthor said:
But then you would say the slice is bigger than the slice you would get from extremely smaller cakes. And we'd back at loweredexpectations.jpg
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Good thing to know. You can know quit these threads since we only get sales and marketshares info.Starchasing said:
Being fair, they'll all obviously break 100k in Japan. FamiSki's probably going to outsell the team's last game too (RR7 on PS3).Kurosaki Ichigo said:
And RE4 Wii's around 1.5m worldwide. It's going to outsell the GC original shortly and maybe even the PS2 release too lifetime.
Pureauthor
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
B... but you were just talking about how the companies would react - and like Starchasing said, their motivation is profits, not marketshare info
Like I said, the size of the cake doesn't matter. Do you really think a company like Atlus is bemoaning 100K+ sales of EO2 on a 22 million+ DS?
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Do you really think 3rd parties are extremely happy with cakes where 1 company takes more than 70% of it?Pureauthor said:
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Why would a multimillion dollar organisation go budget? These companies have more than enough money to invest in talented staff or companies or even resarch. Its foolish to think they will go budget when its known that budget titles lead to less profit margins which in turn lead to less profit. What they need to do is invest in new IP or gameplay concepts like Nintendo is doing. Have a healthy mix of both low budget and big budget quality titles and they will be fine. The problem is that all the talented staff is still working on PS3 or 360 projects that started years ago.
no im talking about the status quo...C.T. said:
family ski is a low budget game and it sold fairly well.. 100k in Japan is good for a thirdparty regardless of platform (with exception on PS2 and DS maybe)
same goes to Winning Eleven Wii which sold over 70k (the original projection) and will probably reach similar numbers to family ski in the end
Pureauthor
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
No. As long as their own slices are big enough, they don't give a rat's patootie about how much other companies take. (Even if their slices aren't big enough, they're more worried about how to get a bigger slice than the other companies' slices.)
Starchasing
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
You seem to be switching subjects just to keep arguieng. Let me reply to you again
3rd parties will be happy and more than happy with the scrabs if they are making money for their shareholders
They will be extremely happy if they are making profits, no matter what
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Dascu said:
And more importantly if you look at the big cake-picture, that one company is still taking more than 50% of the cake. It's not like there are exclusively three separate cakes, it's more like there are three cakes but each cake shares some of its cake with another cake. It's a 4-dimensional cake.
... it's almost like the cake analogy itself is flawed and we're better off just discussing game sales instead of cars or cakes.
Probably not, but what's the alternative? Larger portions of a small cake or a tiny cake, both likely to be smaller than their 30% slice on the giant cake in the end?Kurosaki Ichigo said:
How'd this scenario work out for DS & PSP again? How'd the laundry list of promised PS2 faves like FF, DMC, MGS, Musou, Tekken, Tales, Gundam, Mingol, GT, etc, etc, work out there for that matter.
test_account
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C.T. said:
It was released last week and sold about 10k the first day if i remember correctly. We will get the 1st week salenumbers on thursday