Is it really "progress" though? We're talking about literally the two biggest game titles in the world.
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Media Create Sales: Week 33, 2015 (Aug 10 - Aug 16)
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Is it really "progress" though? We're talking about literally the two biggest game titles in the world.
That was 12 years ago.
KillerMan91
Member
Well even overall western games are selling a lot better in Japan than for example a decade ago. Even 100k barrier was pretty rare for western games when nowadays it's already almost a norm for bigger releases. Then you have some games like GTA and Minecraft going beyond million when highest during PS2 gen was something like 400k (and it was also GTA...).
Yeah, I believe that's what Capcom said when the game was announced a few months ago. Guess they're trying to capitalise on the reported "younger audience" that bought MH4 (or was it MH4U?).
Also, nvm misread the post :')
FreedomFighter
Member
Didn't Corruption do much better than Echoes?
[WIU] Splatoon: 596.946
[WIU] Super Mario 3D World: 602.234
Mario dies next week (already dead with digital)
Also
[3DS] Yo-Kai Watch: 1.280.799
[3DS] Yo-Kai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team / White Dog Squad: 1.280.292
First Yokai Watch spin off selling on par as first Yokai Watch.
Famitsu numbers.
[WIU] Super Mario 3D World: 602.234
Mario dies next week (already dead with digital)
Also
[3DS] Yo-Kai Watch: 1.280.799
[3DS] Yo-Kai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team / White Dog Squad: 1.280.292
First Yokai Watch spin off selling on par as first Yokai Watch.
Famitsu numbers.
Actually you might be correct about that but it was also released to a much bigger audience.
They're selling more because there are more releases being localized and released, and re-releases on multiple platforms are more common now. Neither GTAV nor Minecraft would have crossed a million if they were just on one platform. I guess in a sense that's "progress" because the games are actually available in their market now to buy, rather than requiring them to learn better English and import. But beyond that, I dunno.
Call of Duty games have been selling pretty well in Japan ever since they started getting proper releases with CoD4. That's like 8 years ago? A decade ago GTA titles on the PS2 were selling 300-400k+ each. A generation before that Crash Bandicoot was drawing 600-900k on the PS1, and Banjo Kazooie sold 400k on the N64. Pretty much every generation has had successful western games in Japan!
KillerMan91
Member
They're selling more because there are more releases being localized and released, and re-releases on multiple platforms are more common now. Neither GTAV nor Minecraft would have crossed a million if they were just on one platform. I guess in a sense that's "progress" because the games are actually available in their market now to buy, rather than requiring them to learn better English and import. But beyond that, I dunno.
Call of Duty games have been selling pretty well in Japan ever since they started getting proper releases with CoD4. That's like 8 years ago? A decade ago GTA titles on the PS2 were selling 300-400k+ each. A generation before that Crash Bandicoot was drawing 600-900k on the PS1, and Banjo Kazooie sold 400k on the N64. Pretty much every generation has had successful western games in Japan!
Oh. There has been some good selling western games pretty much every gen. Just this gen at least it feels like the baseline for your average release has grown (it already started to happen last gen like you pointed out). While obviously one reason is that more games get localized and released why it started to happen suddenly if there was money to be made in the past too? imo I think it has more to do with Japanese industry shifting to mobile and handhelds and there still being audience that wants ''blockbuster'' games. In the past Japanese games themselves filled this void nicely as they were not behind western games in presentation and scope but that changed last gen. Reason also why Hollywood movies continue to do so well around the world.
twothunder
Member
It will next week but... It might keep doing better numbers than people expect
Some of that is definitely true, but I think the biggest factor is probably that in the past they were not seen as money to be made. Localization was a smaller and less significant market, limited to more niche areas like PC, and western companies themselves were less aggressive in terms of pushing their brands internationally because they were still busy establishing a foothold domestically. What we're seeing is mostly a result of stronger globalization I would say. It's something that has been happening more and more, and not limited to the gaming industry. Just look at how Hollywood movies perform in China now for example, or how Smartphones took over the Japanese Feature Phone market.
this is why splatoon is esports in the eyes of nintendo and smash is not
they value those japan sales more than anything else. it's why metroid is kill
I think the esports thing has a lot more to do with Sakurai vs. Sato in their points of view, as Sato built the original demo of Splatoon (and eventual product carried it over) as a competitive (albeit friendly) game.
Sakurai is a big developer so, really, you don't want to step on his toes with one of your premiere franchises. Even if NoA still tries to work on the side of smash fans through whatever loop holes they have.
BlowoverKing
Banned
Here's Vitas top 10 software sales according to Media Create, retail only.
1. God Eater 2 - 423,536
2. Persona 4 Golden - 329,050
3. Final Fantasy X HD - 312,033 (58,407 Stand Alone, 253,626 Twin Pack)
4. God Eater 2 : Rage Burst - 299,945 (More than likely #2 now but hasn't charted since March)
5. Minecraft - 291,927
6. Freedom Wars - 289,288
7. Final Fantasy X-2 HD - 272,067 (18,441 Stand Alone, 253,626 Twin Pack)
8. Sword Art Online - 269,275
9. Soul Sacrifice - 251,174 (190,546 Stand Alone, 30,314 Double Pack)
10. Toukiden - 238,541
Not exactly sure how to count FFX/X-2 HD but split them up anyways.
I would like to know how you come to that conclusion.
thestopsign
Member
You can kind of count Luigi's Mansion 2 with them too, as it was developed in the west. Sure the IP is Japanese in origin though.
Eolz
Member
Pretty good week for everyone!
The WiiU will sell more than NX due to the lack of Splatoon.
The WiiU will sell more than NX due to the lack of Splatoon.
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KillerMan91
Member
That makes a lot of sense too. Nevertheless no matter the reasons I think we can agree that overall sales of western games have grown especially compared to PS2 gen and prior. =). Personally I also see that this growth will continue despite that the overall deticated gaming market will continue to shrink. To what end? We shall see.
Donkey Kong Country Returns also made it to the million on Wii if I remember right but yeah should have probably clarified that I meant games based on western IPs. =P
With digital it already is and crossed the 500k mark a few weeks ago.
Retail only you can look at the post above, God Eater 2 is past the 450k mark with digital and Rage Burst should get to 400k soon enough with its legs (I think it had a huge digital adoption too), making him rank regularly between 20-30th rank weekly partly thanks to the anime.
Maybe in the long term Japan's purchasing habits will become more in line with the rest of the world.
Makes sense. We're all going mobile.
It will probably be in fourth position, and only due to Busters being released weeks ago and SRW taking first place. Didn't think about it before, but now I expect Splatoon having better legs than Busters, though.
Bundles, lol.
TheXfactor
Member
theres not really a point to missout on mario kart 8s first week now, splatoon is really close to it
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Some Graphs for fun... Week 22 is when Mario Kart 8 & Splatoon both released.
Some Graphs for fun... Week 22 is when Mario Kart 8 & Splatoon both released.
It's so crazy how 2015 just drops off like that at the end. Damn :-(
PS4 was killing the competition in sales long before it had any noteable games. It's mainly trading on potential and being the best multi-plat machine for people buying the likes of GTA, COD, FIFA, WatchDogs and Destiny. The other games you mention will have helped with a few fringe cases, but the PS4 would still be leading even if they didn't exist.
theprodigy
Member
dude, those are the notable games
A few months ago most people who thought a few months ago that 1 Million for Splatoon in Japan was outlandish. If it continues selling well during the next few weeks and SMM launch we might be watching it overtake MK8(talking bout LT) early next year - there is still December to come.
December 2014
Mario Kart 8 - 19.244 (Dec 01 - Dec 07)
Mario Kart 8 - 24.938 (Dec 08 - Dec 14)
Mario Kart 8 - 34.331 (Dec 15 - Dec 21)
Mario Kart 8 - 38.637 (Dec 22 - Dec 28)
Thanks for the graphs
lol i don't even know what point you are trying to make here. the games you just listed are why the majority of people buy consoles for and some of the games i listed are why they choose ps4 over the competition. you initially implied with your comment that the console was selling without any notable releases and then go on to list the notable games that they got the console for..... maybe this is some roundabout tired ole "ps4 has no gamezzz and selling on hype" argument
TheXfactor
Member
if they were smart, at the meantime just port over splatoon while we wait for a sequel. easy money right there
With cross-play and cross-save!
Most definitely. And like Shizuka mentions, include cross-save & cross-play.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Port Splatoon DX, Mario Kart 8 DX, and Super Smash Bros. DX. Right??
If they add local multiplayer an NXPad peripheral with gyro, spectator mode. tournament mode - it might be the first port of a game I've played that I'd buy. I still hope some of these features(spectator mode) are added to Splatoon.
MK8 and Splatoon were the reason I bought a Wii U, I hadn't had a console since childhood. Splatoon is actually the shooter I've enjoyed the most since discovering CS when I was about 16 and has definitely taken over Bayo1&2/MK8 as my favorite game on my Wii U. Now that I got my PC I'm kinda of conflicted since I'm going to sink a lot of my time into the Witcher.
You forgot Mario Maker DX.
Thanks. Yeah, even before this, my assumption was that this was their new kids push.
When Gaist Crusher was originally announced, they announced it as the combination of Monster Hunter style co-op, Capcom's action expertise, and an anime aesthetic/multimedia push targeted at children. They clearly wanted it to be a new million selling brand.
I think someone at Capcom went "Actually, if we're doing this, why not just use Monster Hunter?"
Some other signs:
1.) The game's promotional character is a young boy. In Monster Hunter mainline, you play 20-30 year olds being guided by 40-70 year olds, and they're also the starts of the CG trailers.
2.) It's a cutesy, kid friendly, chibi-ish anime art style where everything looks more friendly and inviting instead of the photorealistic style of the main game with intimidating monsters and brutal combat animations.
3.) It's an RPG. In Monster Hunter, not only is the game difficult, but you hit a hard cap as everything is tied to your gear. You can also only upgrade your gear with monster parts or armor fragments, and which ones you can get at any given time are limited by your ability to progress or defeat monsters. This also means a large number of fights you complete have no impact on your character's development beyond either progressing the plotline or raising your hunter rank. In the RPG, presumably each monster you fight will level you up, and you'll have the ability to grind to make fights easier.
On paper at least, this seems like a good fit for younger audiences. I'm guessing the game itself will also be easier in general given once you get to High Rank in Monster Hunter it can get pretty brutal if you're making any mistakes (much less G rank where you *really* better be playing well), and there are certainly a number of people who struggle from the start.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Famitsu:
368.138 | 361.270
It's more that the Wii U YTD trailed in 2015 except for Golden Week and then when Splatoon launched, the YTD fairly easily caught up to 2014's numbers. For MC, the Wii U had a slightly better Golden Week last year, thus the fact that 2015's numbers had just passed 2014's numbers pulled them closer again. I expect that we'll see the gap between this year's numbers and last year's numbers increase as long as Splatoon continues to have any sort of hardware effect.
I think that sales wil decline a bit more this year than last during Xmas. But that depends on if sales for this year nearly hold up to last year. I could be wrong though