BruiserBear
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I'm inclined to agree. Like I said, "Works for Xbox" might be a better choice.
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I'm inclined to agree. Like I said, "Works for Xbox" might be a better choice.
Agreed. Adjusted for accuracy.
BruiserBear
Banned
Thank You Sir
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
That's a terrible first post and completely incorrect...
not_so_special
Banned
he his right...so?
You know you probably should have led with this as we already knew games were region free, this was the only thing that was ever in question...
Quoting this for even more emphasis.
Albert Penello
Member
This is gonna be a long one.
If you fixed that, thanks. Not 100% correct, but It's better than what it was so thank you
To answer a couple topics specifically. (and I don't know how to multi-quote, so I'm doing it the old fashioned way. Hope this works.)
Not true. There were a lot of indications we needed to change. To say it was specifically that is not true, simply because there are other factors that could affect pre-order data. I don't know how many units they actually released for pre-order, which could also affect the number. For example: If they released 400,000 units, and we released 100,000 units, that could give them a 4:1 ratio. Nobody knows exactly how many units were allocated for pre-sale by Sony. I don't even know exactly how many we released.
To be honest, I never heard the 4:1 internally. I heard the same rumors. To keep myself honest, I don't report on things unless I actually know. And as stated above, lots of things could affect the ratios.
So again, no. Wasn't just preorders. It was a variety of reasons, and in the end I'm glad we changed.
I don't see it that way from my seat. We made ONE big change around digital, as stated above. There was a lot of follow-on (like family sharing) related to that. The other changes were, frankly, pretty typical for console launches. I've done three of them now. I've been in the inside of the industry since the Sega Genesis days.
What's unprecedented is the amount of information publicly disclosed, which makes it seem different. Things get tweaked, revised, reversed, added and removed SO much as you approach launch. So again, having a bunch of stuff change like this for launch is typical. What's not typical is for us to change what we've *announced*
I would never read anything into what I do or don't respond to. I only respond if I know the answer as fact. I know we slipped countries due to localization issues, but I don't know why we slipped that region. The only thing I would generally assume is that I don't know the exact answer, and saying "I don't know" a lot would get irritating.
Nothing I do here is "cleared" by PR. I'm lucky enough to be a position to choose to do this. I am, however, respectful of the organization and try not to create work for them. So, as was posted above, I don't comment on rumors or things I know we're not talking about. That's just courtesy to the team. And I do ask sometimes for clarity on topics we've disclosed. But these posts are mine and mine alone.
To put this out there - I WILL be doing "official PR" at Gamescom next week. You'll probably see interviews and stuff, and that's all "on the record" PR. By the way, if anyone is at Gamescom come to the booth and say hi. I'd love to meet you guys in person. Even the people that don't like us.
Since I'm old and my memory goes, I went to Wikipedia on this one. According to that, we were in 11 countries before the end of the year we launched. We rolled out another 15 the following year. So 13 in one year beats that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch
This time it's complicated by our need to have deep voice recognition. So it's not apples-to-apples with the amount of work needed to launch a territory.
Anyway, hope that helps. Not that this had anything to do with our new policies around region-locking, which I think are awesome and should help out our European customers in particular greatly.
If you fixed that, thanks. Not 100% correct, but It's better than what it was so thank you
To answer a couple topics specifically. (and I don't know how to multi-quote, so I'm doing it the old fashioned way. Hope this works.)
Not true. There were a lot of indications we needed to change. To say it was specifically that is not true, simply because there are other factors that could affect pre-order data. I don't know how many units they actually released for pre-order, which could also affect the number. For example: If they released 400,000 units, and we released 100,000 units, that could give them a 4:1 ratio. Nobody knows exactly how many units were allocated for pre-sale by Sony. I don't even know exactly how many we released.
To be honest, I never heard the 4:1 internally. I heard the same rumors. To keep myself honest, I don't report on things unless I actually know. And as stated above, lots of things could affect the ratios.
So again, no. Wasn't just preorders. It was a variety of reasons, and in the end I'm glad we changed.
I don't see it that way from my seat. We made ONE big change around digital, as stated above. There was a lot of follow-on (like family sharing) related to that. The other changes were, frankly, pretty typical for console launches. I've done three of them now. I've been in the inside of the industry since the Sega Genesis days.
What's unprecedented is the amount of information publicly disclosed, which makes it seem different. Things get tweaked, revised, reversed, added and removed SO much as you approach launch. So again, having a bunch of stuff change like this for launch is typical. What's not typical is for us to change what we've *announced*
I would never read anything into what I do or don't respond to. I only respond if I know the answer as fact. I know we slipped countries due to localization issues, but I don't know why we slipped that region. The only thing I would generally assume is that I don't know the exact answer, and saying "I don't know" a lot would get irritating.
Nothing I do here is "cleared" by PR. I'm lucky enough to be a position to choose to do this. I am, however, respectful of the organization and try not to create work for them. So, as was posted above, I don't comment on rumors or things I know we're not talking about. That's just courtesy to the team. And I do ask sometimes for clarity on topics we've disclosed. But these posts are mine and mine alone.
To put this out there - I WILL be doing "official PR" at Gamescom next week. You'll probably see interviews and stuff, and that's all "on the record" PR. By the way, if anyone is at Gamescom come to the booth and say hi. I'd love to meet you guys in person. Even the people that don't like us.
Since I'm old and my memory goes, I went to Wikipedia on this one. According to that, we were in 11 countries before the end of the year we launched. We rolled out another 15 the following year. So 13 in one year beats that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch
This time it's complicated by our need to have deep voice recognition. So it's not apples-to-apples with the amount of work needed to launch a territory.
Anyway, hope that helps. Not that this had anything to do with our new policies around region-locking, which I think are awesome and should help out our European customers in particular greatly.
I still dont understand why they launched the 360 without language recognition for each country and all of a sudden its a problem with Xbox One ?
I just dont get the change of mind.
Every single Dutch person knows english.
We still dont have the language update for Dutch on the 360 i believe.
And still the console sold very well.
So to me it just doesnt add up.
I just dont get the change of mind.
Every single Dutch person knows english.
We still dont have the language update for Dutch on the 360 i believe.
And still the console sold very well.
So to me it just doesnt add up.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
This is gonna be a long one.
If you fixed that, thanks. Not 100% correct, but It's better than what it was so thank you
To answer a couple topics specifically. (and I don't know how to multi-quote, so I'm doing it the old fashioned way. Hope this works.)
Not true. There were a lot of indications we needed to change. To say it was specifically that is not true, simply because there are other factors that could affect pre-order data. I don't know how many units they actually released for pre-order, which could also affect the number. For example: If they released 400,000 units, and we released 100,000 units, that could give them a 4:1 ratio. Nobody knows exactly how many units were allocated for pre-sale by Sony. I don't even know exactly how many we released.
To be honest, I never heard the 4:1 internally. I heard the same rumors. To keep myself honest, I don't report on things unless I actually know. And as stated above, lots of things could affect the ratios.
So again, no. Wasn't just preorders. It was a variety of reasons, and in the end I'm glad we changed.
I don't see it that way from my seat. We made ONE big change around digital, as stated above. There was a lot of follow-on (like family sharing) related to that. The other changes were, frankly, pretty typical for console launches. I've done three of them now. I've been in the inside of the industry since the Sega Genesis days.
What's unprecedented is the amount of information publicly disclosed, which makes it seem different. Things get tweaked, revised, reversed, added and removed SO much as you approach launch. So again, having a bunch of stuff change like this for launch is typical. What's not typical is for us to change what we've *announced*
I would never read anything into what I do or don't respond to. I only respond if I know the answer as fact. I know we slipped countries due to localization issues, but I don't know why we slipped that region. The only thing I would generally assume is that I don't know the exact answer, and saying "I don't know" a lot would get irritating.
Nothing I do here is "cleared" by PR. I'm lucky enough to be a position to choose to do this. I am, however, respectful of the organization and try not to create work for them. So, as was posted above, I don't comment on rumors or things I know we're not talking about. That's just courtesy to the team. And I do ask sometimes for clarity on topics we've disclosed. But these posts are mine and mine alone.
To put this out there - I WILL be doing "official PR" at Gamescom next week. You'll probably see interviews and stuff, and that's all "on the record" PR. By the way, if anyone is at Gamescom come to the booth and say hi. I'd love to meet you guys in person. Even the people that don't like us.
Since I'm old and my memory goes, I went to Wikipedia on this one. According to that, we were in 11 countries before the end of the year we launched. We rolled out another 15 the following year. So 13 in one year beats that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch
This time it's complicated by our need to have deep voice recognition. So it's not apples-to-apples with the amount of work needed to launch a territory.
Anyway, hope that helps. Not that this had anything to do with our new policies around region-locking, which I think are awesome and should help out our European customers in particular greatly.
Thanks for putting yourself out there, and really try to answer concerns of the gaming enthusiasts here, Albert. It's really refreshing to get such a quick and seemingly honest turnaround on questions that we have all had for the Xbox One. Just felt like putting it out there, that your work is very much appreciated, and doing a lot to help the 'stoic' image of Microsoft coming into this next generation, here on GAF.
Playing should be fine, but buying is a no.
RedAssedApe
Banned
lol is worse now.
This is gonna be a long one.
If you fixed that, thanks. Not 100% correct, but It's better than what it was so thank you
To answer a couple topics specifically. (and I don't know how to multi-quote, so I'm doing it the old fashioned way. Hope this works.)
Not true. There were a lot of indications we needed to change. To say it was specifically that is not true, simply because there are other factors that could affect pre-order data. I don't know how many units they actually released for pre-order, which could also affect the number. For example: If they released 400,000 units, and we released 100,000 units, that could give them a 4:1 ratio. Nobody knows exactly how many units were allocated for pre-sale by Sony. I don't even know exactly how many we released.
To be honest, I never heard the 4:1 internally. I heard the same rumors. To keep myself honest, I don't report on things unless I actually know. And as stated above, lots of things could affect the ratios.
So again, no. Wasn't just preorders. It was a variety of reasons, and in the end I'm glad we changed.
I don't see it that way from my seat. We made ONE big change around digital, as stated above. There was a lot of follow-on (like family sharing) related to that. The other changes were, frankly, pretty typical for console launches. I've done three of them now. I've been in the inside of the industry since the Sega Genesis days.
What's unprecedented is the amount of information publicly disclosed, which makes it seem different. Things get tweaked, revised, reversed, added and removed SO much as you approach launch. So again, having a bunch of stuff change like this for launch is typical. What's not typical is for us to change what we've *announced*
I would never read anything into what I do or don't respond to. I only respond if I know the answer as fact. I know we slipped countries due to localization issues, but I don't know why we slipped that region. The only thing I would generally assume is that I don't know the exact answer, and saying "I don't know" a lot would get irritating.
Nothing I do here is "cleared" by PR. I'm lucky enough to be a position to choose to do this. I am, however, respectful of the organization and try not to create work for them. So, as was posted above, I don't comment on rumors or things I know we're not talking about. That's just courtesy to the team. And I do ask sometimes for clarity on topics we've disclosed. But these posts are mine and mine alone.
To put this out there - I WILL be doing "official PR" at Gamescom next week. You'll probably see interviews and stuff, and that's all "on the record" PR. By the way, if anyone is at Gamescom come to the booth and say hi. I'd love to meet you guys in person. Even the people that don't like us.
Since I'm old and my memory goes, I went to Wikipedia on this one. According to that, we were in 11 countries before the end of the year we launched. We rolled out another 15 the following year. So 13 in one year beats that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch
This time it's complicated by our need to have deep voice recognition. So it's not apples-to-apples with the amount of work needed to launch a territory.
Anyway, hope that helps. Not that this had anything to do with our new policies around region-locking, which I think are awesome and should help out our European customers in particular greatly.
Thanks for the responses! Cant wait for next week. Good luck!
Edit: Has there been any discussion about using the disc as a download coming back? I loved the idea of a digital collection without the strain on GBs of downloads per game. Thanks again!
Nightengale
Member
Thanks for the response. I apologise for the my rudeness in making assumptions of your comments here.
I won't be at Gamescom, but I'll hope for a good showing, to MS and everyone else.
Albert Penello
Member
Absolutely no offence taken, or apologies necessary!
Third-tier counties don't have Pizza Hut anyway.
Steve McQueen
Member
Let me get this straight....I'm from Netherlands and so, if I buy a German XboxOne and use my Dutch creditcard, I will be able to download the day one update, play Forza 5 and download the DLC on day without a hassle?
Why does the 360 work like this? Why should it matter what country the credit card comes from? The PS3 doesn't have that requirement does it?
No you can't use your dutch credit card. Other payment methods will work.
Steve McQueen
Member
Thanks. Will Paypal work?
haterofpants
Neo Member
Yeah, we do. We even have ones that pretend like they're "classier" than the regular Pizza Huts.
You buy and Xbox One, first thing you do when you boot up is choose one of the locales available for you (13 as of right now). If you want to buy something from marketplace you would need a CC with a billing address as the locale. You can also use points cards from the locale.
Steve McQueen
Member
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=e6b8...55869C0F8!2050&sff=1&authkey=!AK33hhJVBdC6Bo8
Not cool, Penello. Not cool.
Not cool, Penello. Not cool.
Templar_Dante
Banned
Wait, does this mean it will always be this way?
Country of purchase= currency used on store? Meaning, when you boot up a Launch UK model in South Africa, it would still ask for payment in pounds irrespective of what country you selected on first bootup? Ouch... theres going to be lots of angry people here that are dropping near $800 US to bring it here on launch...
So Panello, here in South Africa, MS had a huge install base and it dwindled because we petitioned for 5 years to get XBL official support!
My mates had accounts banned for simply being here and creating UK tags to get online and use XBL(a feature that was touted on its box yet unavalible here officially). So two questions for you.
1)What tier is South Africa a part of? Can we even expect a launch in 2014?? What are we, Tier Insignificant?
2)Is there a risk of being banned for using a Tag created outside of your region after doing the X1 setup?
I see this place becoming very fast a Playstation country again after MS decided to not bring the X1 here at launch officially.
Country of purchase= currency used on store? Meaning, when you boot up a Launch UK model in South Africa, it would still ask for payment in pounds irrespective of what country you selected on first bootup? Ouch... theres going to be lots of angry people here that are dropping near $800 US to bring it here on launch...
This is gonna be a long one.
If you fixed that, thanks. Not 100% correct, but It's better than what it was so thank you
To answer a couple topics specifically. (and I don't know how to multi-quote, so I'm doing it the old fashioned way. Hope this works.)
Not true. There were a lot of indications we needed to change. To say it was specifically that is not true, simply because there are other factors that could affect pre-order data. I don't know how many units they actually released for pre-order, which could also affect the number. For example: If they released 400,000 units, and we released 100,000 units, that could give them a 4:1 ratio. Nobody knows exactly how many units were allocated for pre-sale by Sony. I don't even know exactly how many we released.
To be honest, I never heard the 4:1 internally. I heard the same rumors. To keep myself honest, I don't report on things unless I actually know. And as stated above, lots of things could affect the ratios.
So again, no. Wasn't just preorders. It was a variety of reasons, and in the end I'm glad we changed.
I don't see it that way from my seat. We made ONE big change around digital, as stated above. There was a lot of follow-on (like family sharing) related to that. The other changes were, frankly, pretty typical for console launches. I've done three of them now. I've been in the inside of the industry since the Sega Genesis days.
What's unprecedented is the amount of information publicly disclosed, which makes it seem different. Things get tweaked, revised, reversed, added and removed SO much as you approach launch. So again, having a bunch of stuff change like this for launch is typical. What's not typical is for us to change what we've *announced*
I would never read anything into what I do or don't respond to. I only respond if I know the answer as fact. I know we slipped countries due to localization issues, but I don't know why we slipped that region. The only thing I would generally assume is that I don't know the exact answer, and saying "I don't know" a lot would get irritating.
Nothing I do here is "cleared" by PR. I'm lucky enough to be a position to choose to do this. I am, however, respectful of the organization and try not to create work for them. So, as was posted above, I don't comment on rumors or things I know we're not talking about. That's just courtesy to the team. And I do ask sometimes for clarity on topics we've disclosed. But these posts are mine and mine alone.
To put this out there - I WILL be doing "official PR" at Gamescom next week. You'll probably see interviews and stuff, and that's all "on the record" PR. By the way, if anyone is at Gamescom come to the booth and say hi. I'd love to meet you guys in person. Even the people that don't like us.
Since I'm old and my memory goes, I went to Wikipedia on this one. According to that, we were in 11 countries before the end of the year we launched. We rolled out another 15 the following year. So 13 in one year beats that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch
This time it's complicated by our need to have deep voice recognition. So it's not apples-to-apples with the amount of work needed to launch a territory.
Anyway, hope that helps. Not that this had anything to do with our new policies around region-locking, which I think are awesome and should help out our European customers in particular greatly.
So Panello, here in South Africa, MS had a huge install base and it dwindled because we petitioned for 5 years to get XBL official support!
My mates had accounts banned for simply being here and creating UK tags to get online and use XBL(a feature that was touted on its box yet unavalible here officially). So two questions for you.
1)What tier is South Africa a part of? Can we even expect a launch in 2014?? What are we, Tier Insignificant?
2)Is there a risk of being banned for using a Tag created outside of your region after doing the X1 setup?
I see this place becoming very fast a Playstation country again after MS decided to not bring the X1 here at launch officially.
Black Republican
Member
Thanks for the clarifications
The Faceless Master
Member
technically the XB1 is an improvement for consumers as the 360 allowed publishers to put region locks on retail games.
George Claw M.D.
Member
If this is true, I must say you're doing a fine job. You're expanding upon announcements and answering any questions you're able to in an obviously hostile environment. Yet, you remain admirably nonabrasive which makes it difficult for anyone to respond to you too harshly, no matter how much they may disagree with Microsoft's policies or decisions. You better be careful though, or you may get demoted to actual PR.
If only Chespace were so diplomatic.
sciencerob
Member
I think that if I were to live in a non-tier 1 country I would simply buy a PS4 and avoid the hassle. Upon launch the difference comes down to a few games that differ and a 100 price difference.
phosphor112
Banned
Yep. We came to that conclusion in the other thread. MS just seems to be confirming their internal documents publicly.
Templar_Dante
Banned
Really have to thank you for not hiding behind a shell to questions, I've been very critical of MS recently but it's nice to see people from the company talking about it outside of a PR release and clearing some things up.
Uhh, not really.
With the exchange rate, importing a game from the US to Europe costs the same as buying locally even with fast shipping included. I tend to import US games simply because I'm living abroad and certain games only feature French localisations.
Black Republican
Member
Btw albert what was the reason for going 100% region free with disc this time? I guess devs and MS don't mind anymore?
It was region locked to hell before the DRM reversal BTW.
Albert, in Germany, we cant buy games like Gears of War 1, Dead Rising, etc. because they are banned by the BPJM because of violence and stuff like this, they are "Indiziert".
I dont know how far you are involved in Games for Gold, but this is also the reason, we get this month other games that the rest of the world.
I am able to buy those games on Sony devices, there is no IP-lock based on age restrictions.
Can you confirm on this point, that the age restriction IP-lock will return on Xbox One or will I be able to buy these games, too?
I dont know how far you are involved in Games for Gold, but this is also the reason, we get this month other games that the rest of the world.
I am able to buy those games on Sony devices, there is no IP-lock based on age restrictions.
Can you confirm on this point, that the age restriction IP-lock will return on Xbox One or will I be able to buy these games, too?
anatomyhorror
Banned
Don't people have to pay large amounts of cash at customs or something when importing sometimes?
CadetMahoney
Member
never knew that.
Swiss German is so far removed from standard German, it's no wonder why they can't get Kinect 2.0 to recognize it.
Does it have a universal 120-240v power supply?
Assuming you set up eg a German live account but are in the Netherlands, would German games be tied to German DLC, or is DLC tied to the live account
Eg I buy German forza 5, and buy DLC with a prepaid card. Later, when Xbox launches in the Netherlands, can I migrate my live account to the Netherlands, and continue to download DLC for forza 5? Or will that be forever tied to the German disc?
People that are thinking of doing this, are you going to migrate your live accounts to the import country, or start a new, temp live account?
Assuming you set up eg a German live account but are in the Netherlands, would German games be tied to German DLC, or is DLC tied to the live account
Eg I buy German forza 5, and buy DLC with a prepaid card. Later, when Xbox launches in the Netherlands, can I migrate my live account to the Netherlands, and continue to download DLC for forza 5? Or will that be forever tied to the German disc?
People that are thinking of doing this, are you going to migrate your live accounts to the import country, or start a new, temp live account?
Alx
Member
Hi Albert,
thanks again for your contributions, they're always interesting. It would be interesting to get a few examples of last minute changes during console launches, since it's not the kind of info we used to have in the past indeed.
The only example I had in mind was the HDD in the 360, that was traded for a RAM increase, but I suppose that happened some time before launch ? I'm not good with timelines.
Black Mantis
Member
Language recognition came with the Kinect launch, not the 360. My guess is Microsoft are playing it too safe, due to regional dialects perhaps?
Black Mantis
Member
You answered your own question. If the PS4 doesn't offer anything that appeals to someone looking at buying Forza/DR3/KI/Project Spark at launch, why wouldn't you bother going through the hassle? It would make sense if they are only planning on buying multi-platform games, not X1 exclusives.
As for it being a "hassle", it could be as simple as buying an X1 from a eligible country with an Amazon store and getting points from there, no?
While importing may not be a large barrier for some here on GAF, it will be for the general population.
Black Mantis
Member
Of course, but they also might not be as put out by a 4-5 month wait, as some here on GAF either. Whilst I'm fortunate enough to be in a 2013 launch country, I really wouldn't be bothered by that delay. My 360/PC/PS3 backlog is huge and I have a decent PC, it's still possible that I may cancel my pre-order (unlikely, but you never know).