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[Obliterator]

I thought about your post that Xbone will win from Oct. to Dec. because Halo 5. Quite ambitious actually. As i said, time will tell.

In the US? It's not really that ambitious of a prediction. It has Halo 5 and Tomb Raider. Xbone won November and December last year as well. MS always does well during the holidays because they save everything for Q4

 

[Night Angel]

also, i think that the current state of xbone represents, pretty much, MS's worst possible revenue expectations for the product. remember that originally they planned to make money through advertising. when the consumer backlash killed the always-on connection and kinect, that went up in smoke. then they're dramatically outsold by their competition to compound their issues.

xbone can't be considered anything but a failure from MS's point of view. 'selling worse than the competition' is not a laudable goal, and it's not what MS planned.

Exactly this. Companies don't operate on whether or not a division is profitable; they operate based on forecasts and net present value/RoR. If a division is under forecast and makes a buck, that division is still underperforming. Unless MS has no faith in the product to begin with (in which case why develop it at all), the XB1 is not likely performing to their expectations, profit or no.

 

[Chromium.Wings]

I was under the impression that the Xbox One is doing quite well, isn't it?

I mean, it's not selling as fast as the PS4, yeah, but it's still a successful, viable console, isn't it?

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

They did? Like, that was the primary method by which they were going to make money?



Agreed. In the future they're not going to care how they get Windows 10 + Xbox Live under your TV, or any other screen for that matter.

Maybe not the primary, obviously, but they put a lot of faith in Kinect and NUads pulling in the cash.

 

[timlot]

I was under the impression that the Xbox One is doing quite well, isn't it?

I mean, it's not selling as fast as the PS4, yeah, but it's still a successful, viable console, isn't it?

Here you go trying to be all rational and sh*t. Warriors ain't trying to hear that.

 

[EmptySpace]

if you drop the price from 499 to 399 to 349 in 1.5 years and you still get outsold...


that means your problem does not lie in the price of your product.


value perception of consumers say your product isn't even worth 349.


maybe take a look at your value proposition.


i think after consumers saw the ps3 value post-2008, it was probably playstation's effort during the past 5-6 years that won the consumer over last 2013.


so yes, it was all about the games in the end. then again, 3rd party software moves consoles.


i don't know.


people like to blame pr and messaging. as i've said before, pr can only do so much to sell the xbone during its launch year. i don't really get the people criticizing pr. the fiasco was a business decision. i am pretty sure pr wanted to sell an awesome product.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

I mean, it's not selling as fast as the PS4, yeah, but it's still a successful, viable console, isn't it?

Its not a question of "is it profitable?" (which we don't actually know because earnings are lumped in with all sorts of other ventures).
It's a question of "Is it worth the time pursuing?".

Let's say Xbox is the complete dominant brand next gen, and utterly destroys any and all competitors. How many units is that do you think? 100 million? 200 million? Over 5 years?
Android phones do that in a month.

Which division would MS honestly rather be bankrolling as an ecosystem?

 

[Malitik Sabu]

In the US? It's not really that ambitious of a prediction. It has Halo 5 and Tomb Raider. Xbone won November and December last year as well. MS always does well during the holidays because they save everything for Q4

They've done this for 10 years straight as well.

 

[joecanada]

What in the world? So MS, is not poisoning us by abandoning a dumb vision before the console even launched?

This comment is special.

what? so you ARE comparing MS to someone selling poisoning water? that's just weird. I was using an ethics example , MS didn't do anything like this.

If they poisoned my family they would not be a business anymore.

It's more like,
"We're going to put additives in the water!"
"Ok, well I'm not going to buy it then."
"Oh. Well I guess we'll just sell pure water after all."
"Thank you."

Business IS just business, and if it becomes anything more to you, you need to take a step back from gaming.

No business is not just business, you are just using simple examples. Firstly you don't know that they would tell you they were putting addititves in the water, second, you may not know you were being poisoned until later. So the question is , would you go back and buy the water if they changed their model later after that experience?

gaming isn't this serious, you just vote with your wallet on a luxury item you want, but this does not apply to business as a whole . "business is business" is a term used by people who have no ethical considerations when conducting business. it's a cop-out.

 

[diffusionx]

You're looking at the console space individually, think of Xbox as just another device like surface instead, because outside of specific features(like all devices) and games, Xbox One is not going to be a walled garden and neither will the supposed next xbox.\

Windows 10 was made to put everything together and to have options that use it to pull people in at different areas removing multi-million selling products doesn't make sense.

Yep. The next Xbox will be a PC in a nice console like form factor. Windows 10 will probably gain a 10-foot UI and media center features by then. And they will upgrade it every year, like the Surface/iPad/iPhone/Galaxy/everything but consoles really.

 

[Jigorath]

MS in general has been going back to their roots somewhat, putting their software on every machine. there's no space in that future for the kind of walled garden that exists in the console space.



the 360 was successful.......once they moved away from everything that made it a 'games console' and turned it into a set top box with game playing capabilities. why do you think MS started this generation by trying the same trick again?

MS wants windows 10 on whatever box you have under your TV; it being an xbox is optional, and from their point of view, a big investment for little gain.

I wonder if Microsoft would be more interested in just dropping Xbox and partnering with Sony to design the OS for Playstation consoles. That'd be a better way to get Windows 10 on more Television sets. They can continue to make money off publishing software for PC and consoles.

 

[Kill3r7]

if you drop the price from 499 to 399 to 349 in 1.5 years and you still get outsold...


that means your problem does not lie in the price of your product.


value perception of consumers say your product isn't even worth 349.


maybe take a look at your value proposition.


i think after consumers saw the ps3 value post-2008, it was probably playstation's effort during the past 5-6 years that won the consumer over last 2013.


so yes, it was all about the games in the end. then again, 3rd party software moves consoles.


i don't know.


people like to blame pr and messaging. as i've said before, pr can only do so much to sell the xbone during its launch year. i don't really get the people criticizing pr. the fiasco was a business decision. i am pretty sure pr wanted to sell an awesome product.

I am not sure how much it really is all about the games (presumably we are talking about exclusives here). Like you said at the end of the day 3rd party games rule the day. So far this gen and even last gen they were the ones that moved the most software and had the greatest impact on console sales. GTA V did wonders for the PS3. Destiny the same for PS4. Batman, MGSV and Battlefront will presumably do the same this year. So do exclusives really matter? If so how much? Or is it only the big AAA exclusives that matter?

Its not a question of "is it profitable?" (which we don't actually know because earnings are lumped in with all sorts of other ventures).
It's a question of "Is it worth the time pursuing?".

Let's say Xbox is the complete dominant brand next gen, and utterly destroys any and all competitors. How many units is that do you think? 100 million? 200 million? Over 5 years?
Android phones do that in a month.

Which division would MS honestly rather be bankrolling as an ecosystem?

If you look at it that way then you are absolutely right. The game industry (home consoles) can never compete with that. However, if resources aren't limited, in the sense that they have to choose between the two, why not invest in both.

 

[Journey]

I think the problem is that this itself is debatable. The 360 had a very bad start and then picked up. The XB1 had a good start and is now slowing down quite badly.

How is XB1 doing better than 360 "debatable"?


Notice the spike from 360 starting at month 11 and peaking at month 14. Is this what you're referring to when you say it then picked up? because X1 has this spike as well, except it's still higher then 360. You can also see 360 lose that climb from month 14 to month 20 where it's almost flat, then picked up again for the holidays which X1 should do as well, except while at a higher level.

 

[JinjoUnchained]

Welcome back to the Sixth Generation.

Edit: nevermind, looks like some of the split information on this thread was speculation.

 

[ZhugeEX]

How is XB1 doing better than 360 "debatable"?


Notice the spike from 360 starting at month 11 and peaking at month 14. Is this what you're referring to when you say it then picked up? because X1 has this spike as well, except it's still higher then 360. You can also see 360 lose that climb from month 14 to month 20 where it's almost flat, then picked up again for the holidays which X1 should do as well, except while at a higher level.

Here is an updated version of that graph with other consoles.

 

[Wickerbasket]

How is XB1 doing better than 360 "debatable"?


Notice the spike from 360 starting at month 11 and peaking at month 14. Is this what you're referring to when you say it then picked up? because X1 has this spike as well, except it's still higher then 360. You can also see 360 lose that climb from month 14 to month 20 where it's almost flat, then picked up again for the holidays which X1 should do as well, except while at a higher level.

What that graph tells me is that the Xbox One had an amazing first two months, then was outsold month to month by the 360 launch aligned, as you can see the gap getting smaller and smaller.

It could be that the demand for the Xbox One was front loaded.

 

[Sydle]

Maybe not the primary, obviously, but they put a lot of faith in Kinect and NUads pulling in the cash.

That was back on the 360 though and reports say they were successful. What does that have to do with Xbox One's original DRM policies being killed as Godels suggested?

In any case, we're still talking about a TV device that has an install base of millions, so ads, whatever the format, are still an additive stream of revenue. I mean, we're still seeing ads on the dashboard from time to time, and some of them are interactive.

Tangential, I wouldn't say this is the last we'll see of a Kinect or a Kinect-like device and thus experimental ad formats from Microsoft. As always, its non-gaming applications are far more interesting.

 

[Journey]

What that graph tells me is that the Xbox One had an amazing first two months, then was outsold month to month by the 360 launch aligned, as you can see the gap getting smaller and smaller.

It could be that the demand for the Xbox One was front loaded.

No. Look at month 8, what happened after that? XB1 once again picked and and sold at an equal incremental rate but at a higher point than 360.

 

[scrambles]

Horseshit. Win 10 is coming because win 8 was the biggest fuckup since Vista and businesses have skipped it. Hence the skip of no.9, its a business thing, thats where their cash really comes from. Living room has long gone, even mobile for them too.

Not really. There are a boatload of ways to get inside the livingroom. All you need is a dongle and a remote and an app. They've been working on all three. Win10 is designed to be controlled like a phone. They have a phone app designed to control your tv. They have a dongle that streams your pc interface to your tv.

Call me crazy, but that tells me they plan to expand pc outward. (to the tv)

 

[Journey]

Here is an updated version of that graph with other consoles.

Thanks, this is perfect!

edit: the gap actually widened from month 14 to 17, ha!

 

[EGM1966]

Its not a question of "is it profitable?" (which we don't actually know because earnings are lumped in with all sorts of other ventures).
It's a question of "Is it worth the time pursuing?".

Let's say Xbox is the complete dominant brand next gen, and utterly destroys any and all competitors. How many units is that do you think? 100 million? 200 million? Over 5 years?
Android phones do that in a month.

Which division would MS honestly rather be bankrolling as an ecosystem?

That's the million dollar question. MS expected home consoles to become hugely dominat gateways in the home therefore a potentially huge ecosystem for their OS and services.

That never really happened and looks like never happening now. Content is consumed across many more devices be they mobile (tablets, phones, etc) or TVs themselves. Game consoles seem to have settled back into a specialised device that can access media too (like everything else these days) and on the evidence depending on how a gem goes MS could be looking at 85 million to 25 million or 50 million devices.

Seems either MS keep Xbox as a guaranteed MS centric device but downscale their ambitions for the hardware sensibly (current trends do not dictate the kind of investment they have historically imagining hundreds of millions of devices globally all used for content) or look to migrate their proposition to something else.

Time will tell. Seems to me Spencer has been charged with stabilising the device and keeping it as relevant as possible while Nadella and the main strategy team decide where all things MS are going. I doubt at this point MS bigwigs know if they want to keep Xbox or not; I'm sure it's in a state of re-evaluation vs their broader strategy after the failure of the original vision for the device.

 

[joecanada]

Here is an updated version of that graph with other consoles.

Wait PS4 is keeping up with wii? am i reading that right? I thought it was more ps2 like....

 

[mike4001_]

How is XB1 doing better than 360 "debatable"?


Notice the spike from 360 starting at month 11 and peaking at month 14. Is this what you're referring to when you say it then picked up? because X1 has this spike as well, except it's still higher then 360. You can also see 360 lose that climb from month 14 to month 20 where it's almost flat, then picked up again for the holidays which X1 should do as well, except while at a higher level.

Thanks.

I think that this Thread would not have as many pages if the PS4 wouldn´t do this much better.

Just looking at 360 and One => Xbox One is doing absolutely fine !

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Here is an updated version of that graph with other consoles.

XBO is not doing so bad, though the PS3 will be above the XBO eventually. I'm curious to see how long the XBO will stay above the 360.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Wait PS4 is keeping up with wii? am i reading that right? I thought it was more ps2 like....

Ps4 is keeping up largely because its not supply constrained like the Wii. Wii was constrained well into 2008.

 

[Welfare]

XBO is not doing so bad, though the PS3 will be above the XBO eventually. I'm curious to see how long the XBO will stay above the 360.

Some time after 2016.

 

[tfur]

I am surprised to still see Ballmers' "Windows in the living room" idea... somehow believing there is something magical about yet another version of Windows.

The real talk is that, while at one time being on top, Microsoft has lost the Operating Systems wars. As Android and iOS become the default computing operating systems, Microsoft presence sinks further out of relevance. They will be no world wide line-up to migrate to Windows 10, from Android or iOS. TV makers, cable providers and streaming device manufacturers do not need, nor want, to suddenly move to using Microsoft operating systems.

Nadella knows he has to continue the pivot to services. I see the remainder of the Xbox One's life to be a slow migration to services integration. Live needs to be an icon on my TV set than runs a small application, just like Amazon. Their services need to run on any platform, because their platform is market share anemic in mobile, tv, tablet and console space. I am surprised they do not have a PS Now like solution, but I would not be surprised to see that happen.

Anything short of full multi-platform and agnostic LIVE content delivery, will be a failure on Nadella's part. I think that is where he wants to go, but he has to slowly flush the Ballmer infection out. If he does this, he will be cheered by investors.

Unfortunately to do this, they need compelling content and a well managed Xbox LIVE (or LIVE/xbox ) division.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Thanks, this is perfect!

edit: the gap actually widened from month 14 to 17, ha!

It did, I explained this in an earlier post which said that Microsoft demand for Xbox 360 was very low. But Microsoft decided to hit a target of 10 million by the end of 2006. So they shipped 10.4 million units by the end of 2006 but there wasn't demand there and so it's estimated that only 8 million ish were actually sold through to end customers by that time.

In the first half of 2007, Microsoft could only ship 1.2m 360's as the channel was completely stuffed. If you look at NPD/Worldwide estimates at that time you'll see that Microsoft was selling through more units than they were selling in because they needed to clear stock before they could continue selling in more units.

2007 as a whole only saw an additional 7.3 million Xbox 360's sold in. It wasn't till later in the generation that the Xbox 360 actually took off and sold something worthwhile. Even the PS3 sold more in its first 4 years than the Xbox 360 sold in its first 4 years.

But anyway, that's why Xbox One is ahead, because of the explosive launch, because the brand is established now as a viable option (Unlike 360 at launch) and because Microsoft didn't completely stuff the channel last quarter, although they pretty much did as Xbox One sales are due to drop below PS3 aligned sales shortly and could drop below 360 aligned sales next year.

Wait PS4 is keeping up with wii? am i reading that right? I thought it was more ps2 like....

Yes it is.

However the Wii really just kept on going where as we'll see the PS4 start to dip under the Wii now.

 

[Conduit]

In the US? It's not really that ambitious of a prediction. It has Halo 5 and Tomb Raider. Xbone won November and December last year as well. MS always does well during the holidays because they save everything for Q4

Yes, in US! So what if MS has Halo 5 and Tomb Raider. Doesn't mean if they won last year Nov. and Dec. it will be the same this year. Tomb Raider is NOT HUGE seller on Xbox consoles. That's why i said that you're ambitious.

 

[Felessan]

Notice the spike from 360 starting at month 11 and peaking at month 14. Is this what you're referring to when you say it then picked up? because X1 has this spike as well, except it's still higher then 360. You can also see 360 lose that climb from month 14 to month 20 where it's almost flat, then picked up again for the holidays which X1 should do as well, except while at a higher level.

X360 had it's first pricecut two years after launch. X1 not so fortunate.
You can "keep" sales on par by heavily digging into the price (it dropped like ~170-180$ in an year considering MS selling bundle with 1 game at 350$ now), but it's not really a sustainable solution.
X1 IS in trouble and MS tries to salvage situation somehow, but it's not really obvious that they will be successful in this (history knows more failures with rare successes on this path).

 

[Sydle]

That's the million dollar question. MS expected home consoles to become hugely dominat gateways in the home therefore a potentially huge ecosystem for their OS and services.

That never really happened and looks like never happening now. Content is consumed across many more devices be they mobile (tablets, phones, etc) or TVs themselves. Game consoles seem to have settled back into a specialised device that can access media too (like everything else these days) and on the evidence depending on how a gem goes MS could be looking at 85 million to 25 million or 50 million devices.

Seems either MS keep Xbox as a guaranteed MS centric device but downscale their ambitions for the hardware sensibly (current trends do not dictate the kind of investment they have historically imagining hundreds of millions of devices globally all used for content) or look to migrate their proposition to something else.

Time will tell. Seems to me Spencer has been charged with stabilising the device and keeping it as relevant as possible while Nadella and the main strategy team decide where all things MS are going. I doubt at this point MS bigwigs know if they want to keep Xbox or not; I'm sure it's in a state of re-evaluation vs their broader strategy after the failure of the original vision for the device.

I think it's more than that. Spencer recently said that "the goal in gaming at Microsoft is to allow people to play games wherever they are" and "people should think of themselves as customers of Xbox Live", so it seems to me he's been charged with stabilizing the Xbox One and, more importantly, transitioning game development to the broader Windows 10 platform. When he says he thinks of his offering as Windows 10 + Xbox Live, and even go so far as to say we see the Xbox One a full Windows 10 device, it's clear he's been given a directive to broaden the contribution of his division to Windows.

Perhaps they drop the "Xbox" name in time, and maybe even stop making proprietary hardware, but the game division isn't going anywhere.

 

[Welfare]

I am surprised to still see Ballmers' "Windows in the living room" idea... somehow believing there is something magical about yet another version of Windows.

The real talk is that, while at one time being on top, Microsoft has lost the Operating Systems wars. As Android and iOS become the default computing operating systems, Microsoft presence sinks further out of relevance. They will be no world wide line-up to migrate to Windows 10, from Android or iOS. TV makers, cable providers and streaming device manufacturers do not need, nor want, to suddenly move to using Microsoft operating systems.

Windows is still the majority in desktop OS. iOS and Android are Mobile.

 

[makingmusic476]

How is XB1 doing better than 360 "debatable"?


Notice the spike from 360 starting at month 11 and peaking at month 14. Is this what you're referring to when you say it then picked up? because X1 has this spike as well, except it's still higher then 360. You can also see 360 lose that climb from month 14 to month 20 where it's almost flat, then picked up again for the holidays which X1 should do as well, except while at a higher level.

I think context matters greatly here.

The 360, all things considered, didn't have a particularly strong start. It was coming off a middling Xbox that only sold 24 million lifetime, and it was being judged against Sony's ps2 and E305 exaggerated ps3 for most of its first year on the market. It was a combination of Microsoft's compelling offerings with the 360 and Sony's blunders near the ps3's launch that allowed the 360 to do considerably well for itself starting in its second year and escalating into its third and fourth.

The Xbox One, on the other hand, had much higher initial sales than the 360, but I don't think one should expect the XB1's relatively stronger performance to continue. The ps4 is capturing a considerable portion of Microsoft's global marketshare. When considering theoretical lifetime sales relative to the previous generation, that reality requires that either 1. Microsoft's overall sales will decrease substantially generation to generation, thus the XB1's strong sales relative to the 360 will not continue further into the generation, or 2. the market for these consoles will expand considerably.

#1 seems more likely to me. I'd presume that the 360's success helped establish a larger core base of Xbox fans that'd be willing to buy a new console near launch, while Microsoft's actions prior to launch alienated less dedicated portions of the fanbase, a decent portion of which would probably be likely to buy later in the generation. It would explain why the XB1's lifetime sales were quite frontloaded compared to other consoles, at least, should that end up being the case.

 

[Vandiger]

No wonder Harrison left. Its sad to know that mandatory Kinect along with tiered launches was gonna be a disaster. I'm guessing both MS and Nintendo will push this generation to end as early as possible or go another direction.

 

[Obliterator]

Yes, in US! So what if MS has Halo 5 and Tomb Raider. Doesn't mean if they won last year Nov. and Dec. it will be the same this year. Tomb Raider is NOT HUGE seller on Xbox consoles. That's why i said that you're ambitious.

I'll be pretty surprised if Sony takes the holiday. As of now their retail exclusive lineup is pretty weak, while MS has some big titles.

That said if Sony cut price and have a Battlefront Hardware bundle that could change everything

 

[ZhugeEX]

I think context matters greatly here.

The 360, all things considered, didn't have a particularly strong start. It was coming off a middling Xbox that only sold 24 million lifetime, and it was being judged against Sony's ps2 and E305 exaggerated ps3 for most of its first year on the market. It was a combination of Microsoft's compelling offerings with the 360 and Sony's blunders near the ps3's launch that allowed the 360 to do considerably well for itself starting in its second year and escalating into its third and fourth.

The Xbox One, on the other hand, had much higher initial sales than the 360, but I don't think one should expect the XB1's relatively stronger performance to continue. The ps4 is capturing a considerable portion of Microsoft's global marketshare. When considering theoretical lifetime sales relative to the previous generation, that reality requires that either 1. Microsoft's overall sales will decrease substantially generation to generation, thus the XB1's strong sales relative to the 360 will not continue further into the generation, or 2. the market for these consoles will expand considerably.

#1 seems more likely to me. I'd presume that the 360's success helped establish a larger core base of Xbox fans that'd be willing to buy a new console near launch, while Microsoft's actions prior to launch alienated less dedicated portions of the fanbase, a decent portion of which would probably be likely to buy later in the generation. It would explain why the XB1's lifetime sales were quite frontloaded compared to other consoles, at least, should that end up being the case.

I was going to post something similar to this.

 

[Three]

How is XB1 doing better than 360 "debatable"?


Notice the spike from 360 starting at month 11 and peaking at month 14. Is this what you're referring to when you say it then picked up? because X1 has this spike as well, except it's still higher then 360. You can also see 360 lose that climb from month 14 to month 20 where it's almost flat, then picked up again for the holidays which X1 should do as well, except while at a higher level.

Because it is debatable. The 360 had stock shortages and the XB1 stuffed channels, and those are shipments (there is a lot of debate about that). When I say it picked up I'm talking about the slope of the graphs, you should be able to see that 360 had a greater slope after launch month. As you can see, XB1 launch was higher but its gradient for the year was lower. That higher slope is just Christmas but, unlike the 360, to maintain shipments close to eachother the XB1 had to drop price dramatically and stuff channels. The 360 didn't have to do that at all. In other words the XB1 at a considerable discount sold the same amount as the 360 without a pricedrop.
That graph is also old, we're past month 14. I hope Zhuge shows up with an updated graph and further insight.

Edit: I see s/he's aleardy here. Must have seen the bat signal.

 

[Sydle]

No wonder Harrison left. Its sad to know that mandatory Kinect along with tiered launches was gonna be a disaster. I'm guessing both MS and Nintendo will push this generation to end as early as possible or go another direction.

It's very exciting, and something I've been planning for a little over a year, in full consultation and collaboration with Microsoft, specifically with Phil Spencer. I'm taking a plunge into the start-up pool."

Is this tech even game related?

"That's a good question," he says with a short laugh. "We're definitely in the same neighbourhood, probably on the same street, but probably not the next door house, if that makes any sense. But clearly related.

Executive returns to world of start-ups, licensing "unannounced Microsoft technology"

Seems MS is investing in more entertainment-related tech with someone who has deep roots in gaming.

From everything Microsoft has said and done lately, it's clear they're still deeply invested in gaming/interactive entertainment and most certainly making the Xbox division branch out beyond the TV.

 

[kadotsu]

I'll be pretty surprised if Sony takes the holiday. As of now their retail exclusive lineup is pretty weak, while MS has some big titles.

That said if Sony cut price and have a Battlefront Hardware bundle that could change everything

Sony will take the holiday with almost 100% certainty since this is about WW and not NPD numbers.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Edit: I see s/he's aleardy here. Must have seen the bat signal.

I'm a guy

Just a point, have a read through my post on the previous page, yes there were stock shortages right at the beginning of Xbox 360 launch but that's not why month 14 through 23 was so low for the 360. It's because demand was low and because MS overshipped during the previous holiday season.

 

[Three]

I'm a guy

Just a point, have a read through my post on the previous page, yes there were stock shortages right at the beginning of Xbox 360 launch but that's not why month 14 through 23 was so low for the 360. It's because demand was low and because MS overshipped during the previous holiday season.

Thanks. Catching up on the thread now.
I was referring to the first year.

 

[Obliterator]

Sony will take the holiday with almost 100% certainty since this is about WW and not NPD numbers.

Well thats not what we are talking about so.....yeah. We were discussing US sales homie

 

[scrambles]

Every TV sold in the past 3 years has all those features. And so do tablets and phones people use, without tying up the tv. No normal person wants to stream their pc to their tv, if they had a need theyd already have a pc attached or go upstairs as to not take it over.

They do but not in a convenient way. There are currently "casting" devices like chromecast, but even that has problems streaming from pc. It's used more as a device that syncs actions between devices.

There are some people who would want to stream from their pc to their tv. Like for example, myself, a person who doesn't want to spend 400$ for an xb1, but wouldn't mind streaming xb games from my pc to my tv for a tenth of the price.

Or for example stream my netflix from the pc, or a host of other programs. Hell, I could even stream PC only games onto my tv. Do you see how this could be advantageous?

 

[...Scatter...]

what? so you ARE comparing MS to someone selling poisoning water? that's just weird. I was using an ethics example , MS didn't do anything like this.

Your ethics example was terrible and I was pointing that out. False equivalency. I'm not comparing anything.

 

[ZhugeEX]

No. Look at month 8, what happened after that? XB1 once again picked and and sold at an equal incremental rate but at a higher point than 360.

Just want to pick up on this point. This was when the price drop was in full effect (loss of Kinect) and lead into the holiday season where the price dropped further and there were some great bundles. Had the Xbox One stayed at $499 then I really doubt it'd be where it is today. Probably in line with 360.

 

[Hans.Gruber]

How is XB1 doing better than 360 "debatable"?


Notice the spike from 360 starting at month 11 and peaking at month 14. Is this what you're referring to when you say it then picked up? because X1 has this spike as well, except it's still higher then 360. You can also see 360 lose that climb from month 14 to month 20 where it's almost flat, then picked up again for the holidays which X1 should do as well, except while at a higher level.

Thank you for sharing that graphic. IMO this is a success given all the (self inflicted) problems X1 had. Also amazing job by Sony for beating them.

Spoiler

Allthough many ppl ITT won't really like these graphs since it does not fit their narrative of MS and Xbox's imminent downfall

 

[ZhugeEX]

Thank you for sharing that graphic. IMO this is a success given all the (self inflicted) problems X1 had

Allthough many ppl ITT won't really like these graphs since it does not fit their narrative of MS and Xbox's imminent downfall

Stoppppp it daddy! stop fighting with mommy!

 

[Hans.Gruber]

Stoppppp it daddy! stop fighting with mommy!

What's that all about? Don't know that meme.

 

[tfur]

Windows is still the majority in desktop OS. iOS and Android are Mobile.

So? It is also a fraction of the market share of today and tomorrows' computing presence.

The defacto modern operating ecosystem is NOT Microsoft's anymore. That is the point of what I am saying and where things have gone.

 

[Andodalf]

What's that all about? Don't know that meme.

His parents are fighting, duh.