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Millionaire tries to get $829 via kickstarter to send daughter to RPG maker camp?
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faceless007
Member
Ironically, the Internet backlash and actual misogyny this has garnered from MRAs has probably ensured it will stay up, because KS doesn't want to be seen as succumbing to pressure from Internet trolls. They've probably received far more obnoxious and blatantly hateful "reports" (and threats) than legitimate ones explaining why the pitch is against policy, which is likely to make them double down in fear of a media narrative in which KS is manipulated by angry teenagers.
I wonder if the 4chan brigade realizes how much damage they do their "cause" by acting that way. Or if they even care.
I want to set up a kickstarter to send myself to random fun summer destinations. Why not, right?
If this woman had taken her $800 and ran (either sending her kid to camp or not, who would have ever known) no one would be on her case right now. Instead she decided to add outlandish reward tiers even after the project goal was met, and to enlist old friends to defend her in the kickstarter comments section while claiming that we're all a bunch of misogynists with an agenda and not people that don't want kickstarter to turn into a grifters paradise.
AzureSkies
Member
This.
I pretty much learned a majority of my RPG Maker skills by myself or later on with XP's programming, using guides created by users on the internet.
There's no way that I would pay anyone to go to an RPG Maker camp. Reminds me of when I was younger when friends played hundreds of pounds to go to a "web design camp" where all they did was teach them the basics of using the open-source WYSIWYG HTML editor Nvu.
Aquamarine
Member
Anybody have a kid they're willing to exploit?
GAF should totally make a similar Kickstarter and rake an in an extra $20 grand. If she can do it, why can't we?
You totally should. The sky's the limit! Just throw in a brief mention to some kind of project, and you're all set.
GAF should totally make a similar Kickstarter and rake an in an extra $20 grand. If she can do it, why can't we?
You totally should. The sky's the limit! Just throw in a brief mention to some kind of project, and you're all set.
Delusibeta
Banned
Also reported it. Mentioned her Twitter and that she was sending multiple unsolicited @messages, which they even go as far as mentioning as an option on the report form. At this rate, it's probably at they stage that the 4chan and GAF fuss has triggered Rule 19 and they'll ignore the report, and if so and they let this campaign conclude then I'll ignore Kickstarter.
Because it's a scam
Gully State
Member
Anybody have a kid they're willing to exploit?
GAF should totally make a similar Kickstarter and rake an in an extra $20 grand. If she can do it, why can't we?
That's what I was thinking...Flood KS with similar campaigns to force them to address this issue. "My 9 year old daughter wants to start her own dental clinic and prove her mean uncle wrong". She'll need money for college and dental school tuition as well as any other books/educational costs.
maquiladora
Member
I don't see much point in reporting it, considering the email she got back from Kickstarter.
Whilst it is possible, there's no confirmation that that is a genuine e-mail from KS.
If kickstarter would leave up a scam just to stick to some idiots who may or may not have sent hateful messages*, then that's even more despicable frankly, and I would still end up boycotting them.
*n.b. there are no hateful messages from MRA in the comments section, and in fact all of the most vile comments are from supporters of the kickstarter.
Doczu
Member
If it isn't genuine, than it is prime time for kickstarter to take that shit down. This isn't hilarious anymore, this is pathetic.
Gully State
Member
As a poster previously pointed out...who's John?
Also, the bolded doesn't even sound like something a professional would write...
What percentage do they get from it again? Which is obviously what they are looking at in the first place. Wonder if they see it potentially exploding like Antia's did, then they rake in a good chunk of it.
EDIT Oh yeah.. duh, that could be a fake e-mail...
Delusibeta
Banned
Here's the list of people Kickstarter claims are working at the company. Try and find a person called John there. Go on, I'll wait.
This.
If she wants to prove KS are behind her, they should post directly in the page's comments. I'm sure KS admins have total access and don't need to pay before commenting.
Aquamarine
Member
Kickstarter said:
Complete list of Kickstarter Staff, sorted by first name:
No John. She's lying through her teeth.
chickdigger802
Banned
Polygon has it up. Naturally all for it. Actually it reads more like a press release.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/25/4135226/9-year-old-girls-kickstarter-campign-to-create-an-rpg
http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/25/4135226/9-year-old-girls-kickstarter-campign-to-create-an-rpg
Delusibeta
Banned
I mean, c'mon. The employee's names are all public knowledge, there's no need to pull a John Smith out of the air. The missed capital on the first sentence of the alleged e-mail also has me suspicious.
Not to mention the lack of capitalization of his own name.
RpgN
Junior Member
The longer this stays up though, the more open to backlash kickstarter becomes. The purpose of this kickstarter is in theory to pay for a laptop and for camp fees, with the eventual goal of making a game. Can you draw a reasonable distinction between that and a game design student who asks for money to pay for his/her tuition if they plan to release their senior project commercially? Or an animation student that eventually hopes create their own cartoon series but needs help paying for necessary training?
If this isn't taken down then I would hope that people would then try to do that. Whether or not anyone would actually give them money is irrelevant, all that matters is if whether or not kickstarter would approve the project. If they don't, then I would hope people would be curious as to why some people can violate the terms of service while others can't.
PRESS RESET
MegaKungFuRadio
Member
Evolving editorial, go!
Delusibeta
Banned
That's the missed capital I was talking about. It smells of a fake, especially since the last paragraph is basically the message of several of the commenters verbatim.
Well at least we know Polygon doesn't take news from GAF.
Well, I wouldn't hold my breath for any of the big sites to talk about the possible deception.
Maybe Destructoid, but even that's a stretch.
I know of Buffett (even though I couldn't pick him out of a line up)
Those are her gums that are swallowing her teeth though.... right? I hope I got that part correct.
VibratingDonkey
Member
I'll give Kickstarter until the end of the week to issue an official response. If they let this stand then I no longer have any faith in Kickstarter's interest in protecting backers from unscrupulous, exploitative projects/cashgrabbing scams. Kickstarter profiting off of such projects would be gross and constitute a platform I'm unwilling to support. I'd pull my current pledges and not support any kickstarters in the future.
As has been mentioned, urging Kickstarter projects you're interested in to offer alternative means of payment would be a good idea.
As has been mentioned, urging Kickstarter projects you're interested in to offer alternative means of payment would be a good idea.
chickdigger802
Banned
Written by a lady journalist obviously!
I kid.
At least put some opinion or something in your articles though.
I kid.
At least put some opinion or something in your articles though.
Why the hell do they not address that the mother is a freaking millionaire. I can understand that news sites don't like to choose a side in their reports but her being a millionaire is a fact.
You can report that. Nobody will shit on your carpet for that.
Give people every piece of information and let them then decide if they want to donate some money.
No, it's polygon.
The Polygon write-up mentions the KS being at 11 grand, so I assume it was written before this stuff was discussed. Still, the information was there for people to assess, and clearly the writer of the Polygon article saw no problem with it.
I think we should try and cool down on the personal insults, particularly about her appearance. The majority here are rightfully addressing her actions and her attitude. The infrequent comments about her appearance reflect poorly on a thread of mostly valid criticism.
I think we should try and cool down on the personal insults, particularly about her appearance. The majority here are rightfully addressing her actions and her attitude. The infrequent comments about her appearance reflect poorly on a thread of mostly valid criticism.
bernardobri
Steve, the dog with no powers that we let hang out with us all for some reason
GamePolitics has coverage of this matter.
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2013/03/25/rpg-camp-kickstarter-called-question-community
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2013/03/25/rpg-camp-kickstarter-called-question-community
VibratingDonkey
Member
Was this stealthpulled? Getting 404'd.
Nope, there for me.
Mr. Bubble
Member
Delusibeta
Banned
Article has been vaporized, it seems. Good work, Polygon. Hopefully it'll be replaced with an article that points out the problems and at the very least the blatant violations of Kickstarter's Terms of Service.
So, that summary from reddit is really doing the rounds:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7662138/83211911#c83211911
Good work to whoever did it.
http://www.fark.com/comments/7662138/83211911#c83211911
Good work to whoever did it.
It's 404'd for me. If it has been pulled, that is the fastest I've ever seen such a thing happen.
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