spermatic cord
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Gears has 1000 but http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/02/01/540575.aspxsnack said:
EDIT: just realized MS is the publisher so they decide apparently.
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MS doesnt want you to have cool DLC for free: Gears,Epic, & gamers get screwed
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EDIT: just realized MS is the publisher so they decide apparently.
StingerNLG
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FlyinJ said:
Ok. But didn't MICROSOFT PUBLISH GEARS???? Epic didn't publish the game, did they? They just developed it.
Therefore, based on what you just said, Microsoft is charging for it because they published it and can do so.
That's why other publishers have put out free stuff.
StingerNLG
Member
FlyinJ said:
I could care less what you said before. You went with the "I'm a third part company" without naming what company. Hell, I could do that.
The post that mattered to me is the one I responded too. Microsoft published the game, period. They charge for the DLC because they can. I know other publishers who don't have to, and haven't. I've downloaded their free content.
Sorry if you don't like it. I didn't say I liked it either. But that's just the way it is.
StingerNLG
Member
FlyinJ said:
Sigh. Ok, whatever. Nice dip-dodge-duck-dodge.
MirageDwarf
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To the people who are saying "MS is the publisher so they can do whatever they can", it's not just Gears. Gears is being thrown in the discussion because Epic made that known to the gamers.
Point is, MS might not be allowing developers to put free content when MS doesn't want to. There was this news where Bizzare wanted to give Geometry Wars free. MS didn't allow it. Sure, it costs money for testing/certification etc. But MS can charge developers for that cost, and let them provide free contents.
Point is, MS might not be allowing developers to put free content when MS doesn't want to. There was this news where Bizzare wanted to give Geometry Wars free. MS didn't allow it. Sure, it costs money for testing/certification etc. But MS can charge developers for that cost, and let them provide free contents.
MirageDwarf said:
Microsoft did, however, publish PGR3. I'm not sure if they "published" Geometry Wars, however. It may have been done completely on the the studio's dime, or it may have been done inside PGR 3's budget. In the latter case, MS is justified in dictating that it couldn't be free. Is Bizarre a first party MS studio now? I'm not really sure. The third option is that Microsoft had a seperate budget specifically for Geometry Wars, which would make them the publisher.
However, if it was created on the company dime, outside of PGR3's budget, it is another example of MS forcing third parties to charge for content.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
StingerNLG said:
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davepoobond said:
yeup.
MirageDwarf
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FlyinJ said:
No. If ture, EA wouldn't be a publisher of Boom Boom Rocket.
MirageDwarf said:
Ahh right. Another possible explanation is that an employee at Bizarre made Geometry Wars on his own time. If he was part of the PGR3 team while doing this, his salary could be seen as being paid by Microsoft... making them the legal "publisher".
I'd like to know what the situation was.
EDIT: Ah, thanks Arne.
Beer Monkey
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Andokuky said:
Was Microsoft behind me having to pay for a Blast Factor multiplayer patch?
Consoles are a closed platform and part of this mucking about with controlling publishers is what you get with a closed platform.
Remember last gen when SCEA drove SNK to the Xbox with their refusal to approve non-compilation 2D games? How about back to the days of the NES when Nintendo refused to approve third parties that also wanted to release for the Master System? Remember the lack of blood in Mortal Kombat (SNES)?
MS not wanting to approve free content is just one more example of closed platform restrictions.
It would be awesome if vocal sites like 1Up manage to shame Microsoft into changing this policy. But there's really nothing surprising about it.
And if anybody thinks that the hardware vendors didn't get to approve what got released as a $50 title versus a $20 title in the last generation...well, I think you'd be mistaken.
If this is true all I can say is WOW BOHICA!
But it seems to me like MS is in a damned if u do damned if u don't situtation. If they allow Epic to release their content then the piss off EA, if not they piss of Epic. Honestly, I wouldn't want to piss of either, because they are big name devs.
I had one question for you guys because I don't have an Xbox. For users who buy the core xbox with no HD is it possible for them to download this content? If not the content would fragment the community whether they charge for it or not. Because some users would have access to the content while others would not.
But it seems to me like MS is in a damned if u do damned if u don't situtation. If they allow Epic to release their content then the piss off EA, if not they piss of Epic. Honestly, I wouldn't want to piss of either, because they are big name devs.
I had one question for you guys because I don't have an Xbox. For users who buy the core xbox with no HD is it possible for them to download this content? If not the content would fragment the community whether they charge for it or not. Because some users would have access to the content while others would not.
Confidence Man
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Gotta love this thread. :lol
Microsoft doesn't want to give away a second batch of content for a game they published with something like 3 or 4 million people playing it? UNBELIEVABLE.
Microsoft doesn't want to give away a second batch of content for a game they published with something like 3 or 4 million people playing it? UNBELIEVABLE.
Beer Monkey
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crazythan said:
'Over half' of Live members are Gold status'. That still leaves millions of 360 owners that are either Silver (no online play) or just not on Live at all.
It is in that group where I think you'll find virtually all of the non-HDD Core owners. :lol
Confidence Man said:
Discover Channel paid for it, it's not like MS wasn't compensated at all.
dirtmonkey37
flinging feces ---->
Well, if the executives are indeed reading "the forums" then let us be heard.
Microsoft, this is completely asinine on your behalf. You have, from the start, mentioned how matters "are actually in the developers hands" regarding pricing -- everything. And now you're fighting against that. Don't vacillate as it's the worst thing one, who is also attempting the FUD business tactic, can do.
I understand that to protect other company's digitally distributed products, you need to keep a level playing field.
...Who the hell am I speaking to. The only person from MS that well truly take this into consideration is Arne, and even he may not do anything about it. Microsoft knows gamers will be pissed at them for denying free content -- they know categorically. Us moaning about it isn't going to change anything because even the most unintelligent conjecture could involve "gamers being angry" at the denial of free content. They know, and we know, and even after all of this, they're moving forward with their plans.
Microsoft, this is completely asinine on your behalf. You have, from the start, mentioned how matters "are actually in the developers hands" regarding pricing -- everything. And now you're fighting against that. Don't vacillate as it's the worst thing one, who is also attempting the FUD business tactic, can do.
I understand that to protect other company's digitally distributed products, you need to keep a level playing field.
...Who the hell am I speaking to. The only person from MS that well truly take this into consideration is Arne, and even he may not do anything about it. Microsoft knows gamers will be pissed at them for denying free content -- they know categorically. Us moaning about it isn't going to change anything because even the most unintelligent conjecture could involve "gamers being angry" at the denial of free content. They know, and we know, and even after all of this, they're moving forward with their plans.
Green Shinobi
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You want to talk to him about forum etiquette when you didn't even acknowledge my post that was directed right at you?FlyinJ said:
Giganticus
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PipBoy said:
You've uh, never owned an Epic game before, have you?
I'll just c/p this off the official UT page:
[retard]Sure, Epic didn't want to release the content for free. I mean, free content? For an Epic game? How unlikely! Let's all blame them. In no way could it be the fault of Microsoft! They're the good guys! They provide the Marketplace out of the goodness of their heart! I sure hope that Epic release this and future content at a Microsoft-adjusted cost so that I may receive less value for money in my future game purchases![/retard]
Sorry, I dont take any lesson from a nigger who abandonned his 6 months old baby.bishoptl said:
You're a moron.
If you really want to ban all my accounts and IP, you'll have to ban everyone living in France, including BlimBlim.
yeah, Epic has a lot of 4+ million selling games on a closed network system and where SP is greatly more important than MP
Big Shirtless Ron
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wow, racial slurs over a ban, from a videogame forum? you're a grade-a loser, dude.
Big Shirtless Ron
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draikin?Altaïr said:
Boards of Canada
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Altaïr said:
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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well all i can say is thank God Sony isnt doing what MS is...
else the future would have been something like this:
- Gran Turismo HD: 1200 Points
- Gran Turismo v1.2 w/ Force Feedback: 1600 Points
- Resistance: Fall of Man - 2 New Match Types: 400 Points Each
else the future would have been something like this:
- Gran Turismo HD: 1200 Points
- Gran Turismo v1.2 w/ Force Feedback: 1600 Points
- Resistance: Fall of Man - 2 New Match Types: 400 Points Each
Nah, he isn't French. Not fooling anybody, are you
The funny thing is, he has to keep outing himself to continue getting his nigger on. Talk about painting yourself into a corner. :lol
Anyways, until our *ahem* Continental friend sticks his head up again, let's get this back on track, shall we?
yes dude, I know who you are.
The funny thing is, he has to keep outing himself to continue getting his nigger on. Talk about painting yourself into a corner. :lol
Anyways, until our *ahem* Continental friend sticks his head up again, let's get this back on track, shall we?
MirageDwarf
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Tie would be better solution.Borys said:
Ninja Scooter
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bishoptl said:
Publishers and Developers having disagreements and infighting is not unusal in the gaming industry.
What is unusual, is that 1up and Epic have dragged this out into the open. I don't know if it's good or bad. It certainly makes the community rally around Epic and start throwing rocks at Microsoft. This isn't supposed to public. Epic and MS are partners. Epic just decided to take this disagreement to the rest of us, and it sorta feels like dirty pool to me. Insiders knew this sort of stuff was happening and has happened before.. I'm sorta torn on who to throw rocks at.
What is unusual, is that 1up and Epic have dragged this out into the open. I don't know if it's good or bad. It certainly makes the community rally around Epic and start throwing rocks at Microsoft. This isn't supposed to public. Epic and MS are partners. Epic just decided to take this disagreement to the rest of us, and it sorta feels like dirty pool to me. Insiders knew this sort of stuff was happening and has happened before.. I'm sorta torn on who to throw rocks at.
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