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I would take Lonzo Ball over either of those guys in a heartbeat. I am fully committed to a rebuild at this point, not a second tier player like Butler or PG that might not get you over the top.
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NBA 2016-2017 Season |OT| What do the Liberty Bell and Ben Simmons have in Common?
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I would take Lonzo Ball over either of those guys in a heartbeat. I am fully committed to a rebuild at this point, not a second tier player like Butler or PG that might not get you over the top.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Managed? Have any of these guys been confirmed yet?
What's funny?
Ninja Scooter
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So like, at the very least, TNT should suspend and/or fine Shaw, right? Dude is totally out of line.
Crimson_Gold
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No need to rush him back. Let him heal
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http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Houston-Rockets/10/depth-charts
Remember when Lin, James Anderson, Carlos Delfino, Terrence Jones, Aaron Brooks, and Greg Smith was our bench?
Remember when Lin, Troy Daniels, Terrence Jones, Omri Casspi was our bench?
Remember when Jason Terry/Pablo Prigioni, Nick Johnson (?), Corey Brewer, Josh Smith, Clint Capela, D-MO, and Joey Dorsey was our bench?
And last year, when Terry, Brewer, KJ, Beasley (who was decent for us), Josh Smith, and Capela was our bench?
Now it's Beverley (rotating), Lou, Gordon, Dekker, and Harrell or Nene. God damn.
manzoman96
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They definitely should, but they'll probably make it into some dumb segment. Superfluous bullshit around actual basketball is their specialty and somehow people eat it up.
the 76'ers can't seem to catch a break.....so its more like a so sad but I can't help but laugh moment.
They have absolutely terrible luck
I don't get it. Surely no one expected him to play this year from the start?
At this point, I'd be surprised if they don't shut Embiid down for the rest of the year too. What's the point of bringing him back and risking him fucking up his knee even worse? Just go full tank, hope Okafor shines so you can get some value out of him around the draft and then go into next season with a fully healthy Embiid, Simmons and Ball/Fultz.
there were pretty good signs of him being able to start after the all star break......so more problems showed up.
This is what they should do.....its obvious as hell Emiid can play.....Okafor needs to increase stock for a trade move over the summer
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He was originally supposed to return in Jan. Then that got pushed back to immediately after the All-Star break. Now they've found that the bone still hasn't fully healed, so they are keeping him out the rest of the year. Sucks for people like me who were excited to see him play, but making sure he is 100% is obviously the right decision.
I have a trade question: If the Celtics had gotten Bulter for a 1st-overall-protected Brooklyn pick, and Brooklyn did win the lottery, what would the Bulls get? Usually, protected picks are from the team that's actually trading (like the Celtics would have given up their own pick) so if it doesn't convey it gets pushed to the next year with less strict protections. But that can't really work in this situation, right?
EDIT -- The Ringer had the worst hypothetical trade ever: Spurs get Giannis, the Bucks get C.J. Miles, the Pacers get LaMarcus Aldridge and Gary Harris, and the Nuggets get Paul George.
EDIT -- The Ringer had the worst hypothetical trade ever: Spurs get Giannis, the Bucks get C.J. Miles, the Pacers get LaMarcus Aldridge and Gary Harris, and the Nuggets get Paul George.
Are you talking about the 2017 Brooklyn pick? That one is a swap with the nets, and 2018 is unprotected. No protections for Brooklyn winning the lottery.
If you asking if the celtics put protections on it, I don't think they can do that to picks hat aren't theirs, not sure though.
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Technically this year's pick is a pick swap between Brooklyn and Boston to get around the Stephian rule. I'm not sure they could put protections on it, but it seems complicated.
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Sixers basically might have the equivalent of a top 3 pick this year.
Chances at a top 3 pick:
1st: 0.643
2nd: 0.558
3rd: 0.469
4th: 0.378
5th: 0.292
Currently, the Sixers have the 5th worst record in the NBA. Kings are at 12th worst record right now.
The 5th and 12th pick, gives the Sixers a 0.314538 shot at a top 3 pick, basically a 4.33 pick.
538 predicts the following records for teams:
Nets - 14-68
Suns - 27-55
Lakers - 27-55
Magic - 30-55
Sixers - 31-51
Timberwolves - 31-51
Pelicans - 32-50
Knicks- 32-50
Mavs - 34-48
Hornets - 35-47
Kings - 36-46
Blazers - 37-45
Bucks - 37-45
Heat- 38-44
Pistons, Pacers, and Bulls - 40-42
2/3 of the last group and Denver get into the playoffs.
If this were to end up happening, Sixers average their probability with the Timberwolves, having a 5.5 pick essentially, and Kings have 11th pick.
That gives them an overall probability of 0.2797855 at getting a top 3 pick, just slightly less than the 5th pick straight up would give them.
Of course, the 538 predicted list can't account for the trades that have happened and if a franchise has decided to tank or make a playoff push at this point.
Of the non-playoff teams:
- Nets can't be caught
- Suns are probably tanking, but Bledsoe and Booker might accidently win them games
- Lakers are full on tanking
- Magic are full on tanking
- Sixers are probably full on tanking, although they might win some with their roster
I'd wager to say that these 6 can't be caught by Sacramento, in any situation, and only the Mavs or a Timberwolves team that implodes/is really unlucky might even threaten to break into this group.
Of the remaining non-playoff teams:
- Blazers, Pelicans, Nuggets, and Bucks all seem like sure bets for a playoff push, will end up with better records than the Kings.
That pushes the Kings up to a, in my opinion, in the worst-case scenario, 10th worst record.
- Timberwolves - great star players who can go off in a game and win games, likely making playoff push
- Hornets - ????. Decent roster, not sure where they are going, and they have an all-star that probably wants playoffs but they also have 0 shot at it.
- Mavs - obviosuly tanking, by discussion about wanting to trade for picks. But their roster and coach are good about getting wins they don't deserve. Also had one of (if not) the toughest schedules in the NBA earlier in the season, which makes it seem likely that they have an easier schedule now. But they're also in the Southbest division.
- Knicks - ???? Who even knows.
- Heat - roster that has been on a streak recently, in sight of playoffs, enjoyed that win streak. Really good coach. But they should tank.
My guess is that the Hornets, Heat very likely have a better record. I think the Timberwolves end up with a better record too, especially because they should reasonably be making a playoff push right around now (a 14 year drought also would push them towards this).
Mavs and Knicks are the main wild cars. Let's say a 50/50 on Knicks vs Kings, and the Mavs I just don't know. At best though, Kings CAN get to 6th worst record.
Ok, so the likely combinations' chances at a top 3 pick (accounting for double-counts):
- Sixers at 5, Kings at 10: 0.328219
- Sixers at 4, Kings at 10: 0.412925
- Sixers at 5, Kings at 8: 0.382162
- Sixers at 4, Kings at 8: 0.465323
- Sixers at 5, Kings at 7: 0.468257
- Sixers at 4, Kings at 7: 0.492995
- Sixers at 5, Kings at 6: 0.485902
- Sixers at 4, Kings at 6: 0.565784
Again, the top 5 picks' chances at a top 3 pick:
1st: 0.643
2nd: 0.558
3rd: 0.469
4th: 0.378
5th: 0.292
At worst, they have the 5th pick, and at best, they have a better shot than the 2nd worst record. The 4/5 + 7/8 combos seem the most likely, in my opinion, so the Sixers essentially seem to have around a 3rd pick in this draft.
Their best case scenario is the 4+6 combo landing the 1st pick and the Lakers getting the 4th pick from the 3rd worst record (they have a shot at 2nd worst, if the next few weeks go right for the Lakers)
In that case, the chances of a 1st and 4th pick would be:
((0.199 + 0.063) - (0.199 * 0.063)) * (0.226)) = 0.039437678, or a 3.94% shot. Not bad.
No, I will not calculate the probability of the 1st and 4th pick for every single listed combination, while accounting for the Lakers either having the 2nd or 3rd worst record in the league.
Chances at a top 3 pick:
1st: 0.643
2nd: 0.558
3rd: 0.469
4th: 0.378
5th: 0.292
Currently, the Sixers have the 5th worst record in the NBA. Kings are at 12th worst record right now.
The 5th and 12th pick, gives the Sixers a 0.314538 shot at a top 3 pick, basically a 4.33 pick.
538 predicts the following records for teams:
Nets - 14-68
Suns - 27-55
Lakers - 27-55
Magic - 30-55
Sixers - 31-51
Timberwolves - 31-51
Pelicans - 32-50
Knicks- 32-50
Mavs - 34-48
Hornets - 35-47
Kings - 36-46
Blazers - 37-45
Bucks - 37-45
Heat- 38-44
Pistons, Pacers, and Bulls - 40-42
2/3 of the last group and Denver get into the playoffs.
If this were to end up happening, Sixers average their probability with the Timberwolves, having a 5.5 pick essentially, and Kings have 11th pick.
That gives them an overall probability of 0.2797855 at getting a top 3 pick, just slightly less than the 5th pick straight up would give them.
Of course, the 538 predicted list can't account for the trades that have happened and if a franchise has decided to tank or make a playoff push at this point.
Of the non-playoff teams:
- Nets can't be caught
- Suns are probably tanking, but Bledsoe and Booker might accidently win them games
- Lakers are full on tanking
- Magic are full on tanking
- Sixers are probably full on tanking, although they might win some with their roster
I'd wager to say that these 6 can't be caught by Sacramento, in any situation, and only the Mavs or a Timberwolves team that implodes/is really unlucky might even threaten to break into this group.
Of the remaining non-playoff teams:
- Blazers, Pelicans, Nuggets, and Bucks all seem like sure bets for a playoff push, will end up with better records than the Kings.
That pushes the Kings up to a, in my opinion, in the worst-case scenario, 10th worst record.
- Timberwolves - great star players who can go off in a game and win games, likely making playoff push
- Hornets - ????. Decent roster, not sure where they are going, and they have an all-star that probably wants playoffs but they also have 0 shot at it.
- Mavs - obviosuly tanking, by discussion about wanting to trade for picks. But their roster and coach are good about getting wins they don't deserve. Also had one of (if not) the toughest schedules in the NBA earlier in the season, which makes it seem likely that they have an easier schedule now. But they're also in the Southbest division.
- Knicks - ???? Who even knows.
- Heat - roster that has been on a streak recently, in sight of playoffs, enjoyed that win streak. Really good coach. But they should tank.
My guess is that the Hornets, Heat very likely have a better record. I think the Timberwolves end up with a better record too, especially because they should reasonably be making a playoff push right around now (a 14 year drought also would push them towards this).
Mavs and Knicks are the main wild cars. Let's say a 50/50 on Knicks vs Kings, and the Mavs I just don't know. At best though, Kings CAN get to 6th worst record.
Ok, so the likely combinations' chances at a top 3 pick (accounting for double-counts):
- Sixers at 5, Kings at 10: 0.328219
- Sixers at 4, Kings at 10: 0.412925
- Sixers at 5, Kings at 8: 0.382162
- Sixers at 4, Kings at 8: 0.465323
- Sixers at 5, Kings at 7: 0.468257
- Sixers at 4, Kings at 7: 0.492995
- Sixers at 5, Kings at 6: 0.485902
- Sixers at 4, Kings at 6: 0.565784
Again, the top 5 picks' chances at a top 3 pick:
1st: 0.643
2nd: 0.558
3rd: 0.469
4th: 0.378
5th: 0.292
At worst, they have the 5th pick, and at best, they have a better shot than the 2nd worst record. The 4/5 + 7/8 combos seem the most likely, in my opinion, so the Sixers essentially seem to have around a 3rd pick in this draft.
Their best case scenario is the 4+6 combo landing the 1st pick and the Lakers getting the 4th pick from the 3rd worst record (they have a shot at 2nd worst, if the next few weeks go right for the Lakers)
In that case, the chances of a 1st and 4th pick would be:
((0.199 + 0.063) - (0.199 * 0.063)) * (0.226)) = 0.039437678, or a 3.94% shot. Not bad.
No, I will not calculate the probability of the 1st and 4th pick for every single listed combination, while accounting for the Lakers either having the 2nd or 3rd worst record in the league.
On today's Lowe Post podcast, they're talking about whether or not Boston offered a protected or unprotected version of this year's Brooklyn pick for Butler. I just don't understand how the former would work. Maybe they could protect this year's and then give Chicago an unprotected Brooklyn pick next year?
I hope Magic Johnson is learning how this stuff works. Wouldn't want another Vlade "What's the Stretch Provision" Divac situation.
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They can put protections on it. Looks at the Bulls, Kings, Sixers pick relationship
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Also, a moment of silence for the Bulls' rights to that first round pick:
EDIT: WAIT, Philly get the Kings' 2018 pick if they land 11-30?
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Tbf, that Bulls claim to the Kings pick might just be sadder. That's going to be 6 straight years it doesn't convey.
Looking into it, the Kings 2018 pick is totally safe, so either that flowchart is wrong or they got their 11-30 2018 pick back
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I've always thought they should never let the game clock run on made baskets, but it's the first time I've ever seen a player use it to his advantage. This is some shit I expect Chris Paul to do, not Ty Lawson.
I've always thought they should never let the game clock run on made baskets, but it's the first time I've ever seen a player use it to his advantage. This is some shit I expect Chris Paul to do, not Ty Lawson.
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He does what a lot of point guards do, preserves time on the shot clock, that's not what was happening there. Game clock doesn't stop on made baskets unless there's 2 minutes or less left in a quarter, Ty Lawson was running the game clock down.
Sprained ankle at the end of the first half yesterday, he's in a walking boot right now. idk if he's going to be playing this week but the knicks should definitely be sitting him out to help the tank and to ensure that he's healthy
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They wanted to free up money to sign Wes Matthews (who didn't sign with them afterall) even though they could have just used the stretch provision to accomplish the same thing without needing to trade a draft pick, expect Vlade Divac, their president and general manager, apparently was not aware that the stretch provision existed.
sf2fanatic
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Draymond trying so hard to bring back old school basketball. Hopefully he can take a Laimbeer type of foul
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I respect Durant for sticking up for his teammate, but he looks like a fool saying Shaq had no skill
Draymond wouldn't survive in old school basketball. People actually fought back. All those nut shots and kicks somebody would've checked him back hard
lol
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Don't hold your breath
Lionel Richie
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Not happening ever, they please the old school kind of guy that think the game was better in their time. No bigger job security than nostalgia.
Randolph Freelander
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TNT is the only post- or pregame show worth watching, though.
why? they're entertainment, stop taking anything they say seriously
Oh I don't, there's nothing of value said on TNT, but like I said yesterday I just don't think it's too much to ask for better coverage. There's no reason basketball has to set the bar so low with how the sport is covered and discussed.
And this Shaq thing is getting super weird. I mean the guy is on twitter looking to fight current players. And not even like some legend or big star but Javale fuckin' McGee. Every time I think these dudes can't get any dumber they manage to surprise me.
I get it, no one else cares and they get super high ratings because they're entertaining, but I'll keep bitching because they ain't shit.
on the one hand I totally agree with you
and on the other I'm part of the problem because I always watch them to see what kind of dumb shit they'll say
Ninja Scooter
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I normally agree, but the shit with JaVale has gone too far. When it became apparent that it was not all in fun and really bothered him, they should have been courteous and dropped it, instead it developed into something mean spirited and personal and now you have essentially a member of the media threatening to beat up a player over Twitter. Adam Silver might want to get a hold of TNT and ask them to tell Shaq to chill the fuck out.
According to ESPN, the Warriors have contacted TNT about Shaq's negative portrayal of Javale McGee: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ddress-shaquille-oneal-criticism-javale-mcgee
ESPN's coverage is trash.
I'm not getting on anyone for watching them. It is entertaining, I just think they can do better. And some of their antics go a little far imo. Like is this really necessary?
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@JaValeMcGee34 don't be acting like u a g I'll smack the s**t out yo bum ass u da one that be looking stupid with your dumb ass #bumass
Turner Sports operates NBA TV, hosts the all-star game and shit. Is this really a good look for them? And again, over Javale McGee lmao. It's all just really silly.