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ND Got GAF Feedback Re: UC3 Aiming Issues, Cutscene Viewer, Animation Changes Coming
- Thread starter RedRedSuit
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la flama blanca
Banned
We need a list of feedback/wishlist of changes to give gaffers who are going to their offices
fortified_concept
Banned
jett said:
I had assumed that this wasn't a universal issue, was it? If it isn't it's easy to understand why they miss this kind of bugs.
"With Uncharted 2 it was pretty much guaranteed you would aim in one of the 8 directions and it was hard to deviate from that (imagine it being almost like a traditional 8-way arcade stick). With Uncharted 3, you can deviate from the straight path from each of the 8 directions much easier and more precisely."
I really want to know Arne's explanation for that, because it's obviously bullshit. In UC3, you still only aim in 8 directions (atleast in singleplayer), you can NEVER deviate from those paths, and once you deviate from a diagonal direction, it's pretty much impossible to get BACK to a diagonal from the regular x and y axis.
It's like playing on an NES d-pad. That can only recognize one direction at a time. No corners.
I really want to know Arne's explanation for that, because it's obviously bullshit. In UC3, you still only aim in 8 directions (atleast in singleplayer), you can NEVER deviate from those paths, and once you deviate from a diagonal direction, it's pretty much impossible to get BACK to a diagonal from the regular x and y axis.
It's like playing on an NES d-pad. That can only recognize one direction at a time. No corners.
Sorry if this was mentioned already since I haven't read the whole thread but has anyone else noticed that the left stick movement seems to be having similar problems to the aiming? It feels that way to me anyway. I was having trouble turning around corners in the first few areas and even blew a few jumps it felt like I shouldn't have.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I trust GAF's judgement... but my honest experience is that I haven't noticed a single problem. Almost finished the game.
It's weird how it's gamebreaking for people, since I don't even notice... But I accept that it must be, based on the level of outcry.
It's weird how it's gamebreaking for people, since I don't even notice... But I accept that it must be, based on the level of outcry.
AwesomeSauce
MagsMoonshine
I just popped it UC2 and immediately noticed the per-object motion blur when Drake moves. It is completely absent in UC3 for some odd reason. I wonder if they'll tell me why, or if they can reimplement it ;-)
Anyway aiming in UC2 is a lot more precise, but seems to also have that issue with the square movement while rotating the stick, its just less noticeable since there isn't any weird acceleration going on when precisely aiming. I think someone in this thread mentioned this before.
Anyway aiming in UC2 is a lot more precise, but seems to also have that issue with the square movement while rotating the stick, its just less noticeable since there isn't any weird acceleration going on when precisely aiming. I think someone in this thread mentioned this before.
AwesomeSauce said:
Do the circle test in both games. Go up to a wall and do small tight circles (keep the speed relatively smooth and the way I tested was I only looked at the controller while I recorded the TV and then played both videos back after) with the analog while holding L1 and see if you get circles or squares. Its clearly much squarer in UC3. Also hold in one direction (left or right) in UC3 for 3-4 seconds and then go diagonally slowly whole still holding the stick to the left or right, you will notice how unresponsive this action is as it refuses to come off this 'baseline' till the stick is 45 degrees. Finally, try to make triangles in both games and repeat the process and notice the smoothness and ease in UC2 over UC3, even starting diagonally in UC3 requires a very exact position of the stick otherwise it may assume you want an angle but a very horizontally or vertically preferred one.
Also input lag is most notable with melee, stand still and tap square to see this.
Another test I did was a 'whirlpool test', pick a point and aim away from it then do circles around this point and then gradually close in on the point. Basically to see if you can correct your aim, and it becomes apparent in UC2 that if you overshoot high/low or left and right you can correct much more easily.
Man I should probably just make a video of all this stuff. The key is also to never take your thumb of that analog stick to see the issues we're experiencing in a more pronounced way.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I'm 100% sure I have disabled overscan on my TV. I guess I just never looked thereBeeDog said:
who ever goes there please please point that some enemies to react to bullets this was not the case in U2
there is no stopping power to bullets, when I shoot those guys my bullets should slow them down make them stop moving and they should react like enemies in U2 or any other shooter out there but they just absorb the bullets hereHazaro said:
Always-honest
Banned
I wish TTP could go. He makes excellent videos and digs deep to find and clearly show certain issues.
But yeah...... Italy
Edit: would it help if people posted a checklist?
- issues: yes/no
- ps3 version: launch, slim, 80gb, etc.
- pal version, u.s. Version, etc
- tv: lcd or plasma
- did you play Uncharted 2 to compare?
- other stuff?
But yeah...... Italy
Edit: would it help if people posted a checklist?
- issues: yes/no
- ps3 version: launch, slim, 80gb, etc.
- pal version, u.s. Version, etc
- tv: lcd or plasma
- did you play Uncharted 2 to compare?
- other stuff?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Hmm wow. Hard to know since you have to subtract the lag generated by TV, but if it's true that the same video shows much less lag on UC2, then there's probably something to it. It would be pretty crap if the whole aiming problem is actually stemming from the input lag. I just looked for this in UC3, and while there's some noticeable lag for example for pressing square to punch (which could be just an intended timing for the transition for all I know) I couldn't notice that it was any different for general movement control, like pressing X to jump onto things, navigating around etc.chris0701 said:
Someone should measure lag in MP vs. SP for identical actions. That could really be it. Oh an yeah, aiming from MP is basically exactly what SP needs.
Son.Ralph.Funk
Member
I don't get it. Why do they want people to come into their studio. If they know what the issue is, why would they need people to demonstrate it for them?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
To do some tweaks, and have the person confirm that "that's it"?Son.Ralph.Funk said:
CartridgeBlower
Member
Lord Error said:
It'll be interesting to see what they are looking for from players. Maybe they just want an impromptu focus group type of thing before they implement a patch or something. Maybe they already have a couple different configurations ready to go, and want to get a heads-up from the players on which feels better/more like UC2. We'll know by tomorrow afternoon, I guess.
Hope they fix it. I've put SP UC3 on hold for the time being.
Benjamin1981
Member
darkwing said:
Not Gaf, only Awesomesauce. So don't fuck this up
RyanardoDaVinci
Member
BocoDragon said:
How much time did you spend playing U2?
I played the SP over 15 times and put over 400hrs into the MP -- hell, even disregarding U2 -- I probably put ~100hrs into the U3 beta and Subway; I notice everything.
I wish I could go down to the studio (I'm only about an hour away) but I have no way to get there and back.
Wrestlemania
Banned
I don't understand why they need to get someone from here in to their offices to explain what's wrong with it. Surely from what they've read here and seen in the videos it's pretty clear what the issues are.
Noisepurge
Member
"The reticule tends to slow down when over an enemy, like some kind of auto-aim. This seems confusing and difficult to compensate for when lining up head shots."
This is the only issue i have, it's really difficult to go for headshots as the enemies are very lively in this game. Always moving and dodging. And the slowdown messes up my alignment :/ Adding this slowdown effect as an "aim assist on/off" in the options would make a lot of people happy
This is the only issue i have, it's really difficult to go for headshots as the enemies are very lively in this game. Always moving and dodging. And the slowdown messes up my alignment :/ Adding this slowdown effect as an "aim assist on/off" in the options would make a lot of people happy
Always-honest
Banned
Again, would it be wise to post and fill in a checklist?RyanardoDaVinci said:
Something like:
- issues: yes/no
- ps3 version: launch, slim, 80gb, etc.
- pal version, u.s. Version, etc
- tv: lcd or plasma
- did you play Uncharted 2 to compare?
- other stuff?
Phonomezer
Banned
Started playing today and noticed that crapola aiming immediately. Such a shame.
RedRedSuit
Member
(OP guy here)
Finally I actually jumped into Uncharted 2 again, playing on Crushing for the first time, to pass the time. I've beaten the game on Normal and Hard before (2 years ago). Played from the beginning through Borneo this time.
Man.
It's just controlling sooooooooooooooooo much better. I'm not, like, an amazing player. I can't headshot people all over the place... sometimes but not all the time. But I can line up fire and get an enemy's head caught in the reticule, meet people with gunfire, fire a pistol from far away... all things that in Uncharted 3 seem much harder -- on Normal.
The 8 directions of motion are, I'm pretty sure, there in U2 as in U3 (as jett said), except that in U2 it's easy to change direction instantly, thus giving pretty much complete aiming freedom. (I'm guessing that's really how most TPS work?) In U3 once you start in one of the directions it's hard to change course. And then there's the auto-aim... but I'm repeating myself.
I know I'm not saying anything new that someone else hasn't said, but still feel I should chime in.
Finally I actually jumped into Uncharted 2 again, playing on Crushing for the first time, to pass the time. I've beaten the game on Normal and Hard before (2 years ago). Played from the beginning through Borneo this time.
Man.
It's just controlling sooooooooooooooooo much better. I'm not, like, an amazing player. I can't headshot people all over the place... sometimes but not all the time. But I can line up fire and get an enemy's head caught in the reticule, meet people with gunfire, fire a pistol from far away... all things that in Uncharted 3 seem much harder -- on Normal.
The 8 directions of motion are, I'm pretty sure, there in U2 as in U3 (as jett said), except that in U2 it's easy to change direction instantly, thus giving pretty much complete aiming freedom. (I'm guessing that's really how most TPS work?) In U3 once you start in one of the directions it's hard to change course. And then there's the auto-aim... but I'm repeating myself.
I know I'm not saying anything new that someone else hasn't said, but still feel I should chime in.
RedRedSuit
Member
Hyuga said:
It's so blatant. Just fight through Borneo and a larger (less close-quarters) battle in U3 and compare. If you don't notice a glaring difference I'll be shocked.
RedRedSuit said:
Just like all the people that are 'shocked' when we even make the slightest mention of the issue.
I'm pretty convinced the issue affects everyone, but perception and the degree to which this happens has many variables. Still odd about reviews not mentioning so much as a fraction of this issue, you'd think someone would have replayed UC2 right before they reviewed the game.
RedRedSuit
Member
kneePat said:Just like all the people that are 'shocked' when we even make the slightest mention of the issue.
I'm pretty convinced the issue affects everyone, but perception and the degree to which this happens has variables.
No doubt. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not shocked if someone says "aiming is fine." But I am shocked if someone plays the two one after the other and notices no glaring difference.
RedRedSuit said:
I am shocked when someone says aiming is fine.
Probably because I find it a pretty big deal and want it so much to be like it used to be (bliss) but I just assume when they say aiming is fine they really mean they just don't NOTICE IT and not that it doesn't exist (that's what it must be, right?) so yeah you're right.
bodyboarder
Member
Son.Ralph.Funk said:
Free publicity.
Either way its pretty neat to get invited down.
StreetDisciple
Member
I solved my aiming issues by just turning the sensitivity down.
I read the thread about the aiming problem before I booted up my Uncharted 3 game. Ofcourse I noticed it right away. But I'm not sure if it's because I knew about it beforehand or not. I'm not one to be picky on that sort of stuff. Same goes with screen tearing and 30 fps / 60 fps.
Wrestlemania
Banned
I'm not complaining, it just seems like a bizarre way of fixing the problem. Can they really not see it themselves?darkwing said:
Yesterday I said I didn't get the issue but its not true. After getting into more chapters in the game I do notice the aiming problem. It doesn't occur always, but some times, we can't go in diagonal, but instead it stuck in one axis (horizontal or vertical).
I will try to reduce the sensibility to see if it will reduce this behavior.
I will try to reduce the sensibility to see if it will reduce this behavior.
Feature said:
I didn't even know this was happening to other people until just now when I saw the thread. I started UC3 yesterday afternoon and immediately noticed that something was different about the controls but had no idea what. I thought it was just the sensitivity being to low, but when I pumped that up I was having problems overcompensating. I just beat UC2 on Crushing around 2 months ago so I chalked it up to being a little rusty.
I'm currently around chapter 12 on Hard so adjusting to it is no big problem, I just don't get as many headshots and my sniper rifle accuracy is garbage. As in, sometimes I can't hit one moving enemy that is far away with 5+ shots. This didn't used to be a problem in UC2... was there more aim assist or something?
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
StuBurns said:
This.