Canis lupus
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TEN MORE YEARS
2 more years and it will mark the 10th anniversary of its discontinuation.
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2 more years and it will mark the 10th anniversary of its discontinuation.
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== //global list of all sata devices
-- SataDevice sataDevices[1]; //one should be enough for anybody.
++ SataDevice theSataDevice; //one should be enough for anybody.
== //Also, hardcoding this, because we're idiots.
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@changed from array to scalar. We can only ever have one anywayRevision 3 patch:
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== //global list of all sata devices
== SataDevice theSataDevice; //one should be enough for anybody.
== //Also, hardcoding this, because we're idiots.
++ //support old array access syntax
++ SataDevice& sataDevices[3]; //only aliases for now FIX THIS LATER
++ //three should be enough for anybody
++ for (int i = 0; i < 3; ++i) {
++ sataDevices[i] = theSataDevice;
++ }
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@had code that used the array-style variables, which broke in latest revision
@added back old array-style access as an alternative to make old code work again
@made extensible xDNothing :_)
Full SW emulation, not full compatibility, even the partial SW/HW emulation used in some early models of PS3 didn't have full compatibility. The full SW PS2 emulator included in earlier FW ran at low framerates, it wasn't advanced enough to be released to the public.
The final point is valid, but only a very small percentage of PS2 games will ever get HD remakes, I'd say that PS2 classics would be a bigger incentive for Sony not to release a FW update for the emulator to work with discs.
I don't think it's a bespoke emulator created on a case by case basis, according to a poster who knew someone who worked on QA;
Which sounds just like a general PS2 emulator rather than a bespoke emulator made for each game. That's also how early builds included in older FW were, general, not bespoke. Anyway, if Sony don't bring PS2 BC back to PS3 I'm sure that it will be hacked back in eventually (see Cobra USB).
Because the HW cost too much to continue including, and a full SW solution has only been available recently.
Theonik
Member
My point is that while they do have a full software emulator it's quite poor and only works with a small amount of PS3 games because it doesn't fully emulate the PS2, proper full SW emulation on the PS3 is still off the cards. Also iirc the classics being released now were games that already run well on the old emulator with some game specific fixes.
As for the second part I did say that it was off the card because they can currently sell you the PS2 games that do work on PSN, meaning the PS2 classics, and in addition the other popular games can be released as HD collections. It makes no sense on their part to give that up and I'm not sure they even think it would add enough value to even be a priority.
Initial models of PS3 had full HW BC (EE+GS chip), second generation models had partial HW BC (GS HW, EE SW), the PS2 classics emulator fully emulates both the EE & GS in software. This is what is meant by full SW BC, not how well it emulates it. No emulator is perfect, so saying it's not proper full SW emulation doesn't make all that much sense from a technical point of view.
I don't think we really know what percentage of games work with their emulator until a newer FW gets hacked, but according to someone who worked on QA "They also seem to be covering a huge list of games even fairly unknown games like The Seed: warzone.", so it doesn't sound like just a small amount of games.
By this logic (which Sony may well share) they should have also removed disc based PS1 BC when they removed PS2 BC, and should not include disc based PS1 or PS2 BC in PS4, in which case I won't be buying one. At this stage of PS3's life at a $179 price point a lot of sales from now on will be to late adopters and developing countries, for these segments I believe it does add value and adds a significant incentive to upgrade (PS2 has sold over 50 million units since PS3 released).
kidfresh718
Member
i wonder if a major firmware update will come with this new model release..
Now that you mention it, iirc they also tested Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3, which were already announced for an HD collection at the time the QA would have been happening iirc. It doesn't seem to make much sense to run through so many games to test unless they were planning on a general BC firmware update. Would they normally waste QA resources on games that were never going to be released on PSN? Yes, the publishers would have to know what games actually work, or are at least close, but that's better solved by just adding the BC to dev units and letting the publisher figure it out. The programmers working on the emulator already knew it was pretty solid, otherwise they wouldn't have had that big QA push in the first place.
There's almost certainly going to be a major firmware update, hopefully they don't mess up the XMB too much this time. Anyone else think it's strange Sony would announce the Laugh Factory app a month and a half ahead of time? And although Crunchyroll said their app would come out in summer, according to the blog post it'll be fall, along with Neon Alley. I suspect the next wave of apps are going to basically be links to the browser, maybe with cached icons so you feel like you're getting something when you download the app. Hell, the Video Unlimited app is still a preview.
Syphon Filter
Member
ps2 is about to last two gens. any other console done that?
Neo Geo?
Unregistered007
Banned
I think he was referring to console being sold, games played on it and being awesome, NOT SITTING ON STORE SHELF for 2 gens.
Arkam
Member
The only thing I can think of is the GameBoy. But that was a handheld, so I guess that's different. Just about all the other consoles stopped getting software within the first 2 years of a newer gen.
Oh and this new PS3 is UGLY! I know you can make sexy hardware Sony so this is unacceptable.
Atari 2600 came close, but announced PS2 software now stretches longer than anything but the Neo-Geo.
Mattlikewhoa
Member
The last few pages have renewed my interest in buying that One Piece LE PS3. My wife would not be pleased with a third Playstation in the house...
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
So when do we expect this to hit exactly? Going to be in the market for a new PS3 in August to replace my dying one.
Graphics Horse
Member
Expected to be announced in less than a month at Gamescom. Release late Aug/early Sept.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Neato, I can wait a bit for this to come out then.
Glorified G
Member
Hopefully the current slim will be discounted to make room when this releases. If the rumor of a 16gb ps3 are true, I'm hoping to pick up a hdd ps3 for under $200.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
You should give Sony's hardware engineers some pointers.
The Wii is 11-year-old tech and the PS3 is 10x+ faster across the board. A slightly larger box is well justified.
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
I'd love for Sony to drop a bomb and release this for $99
Alas, only in a dream world.
Alas, only in a dream world.
It's one thing to modify a script in your home Linux box, another to do it and test it extensively before pushing it out to 60 million PS3's with different hardware.
This also still does not address the fact that a board with 2 SATA interfaces is more expensive than a board with one SATA interface.
I still have not heard any arguments on how is it beneficial for Sony to do this instead of sticking 16GB of flash in a SATA interface.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
For 1st party software releases:
Famicom/NES (1983-1994) PlayStation and Saturn launched 1994
PC Engine/TG16 (1987-1999) Dreamcast launched 1998
Super Famicom/Super NES (1990-2000) PS2 launched 2000
NeoGeo (1990-2004) Xbox/Gamecube launched 2001
PlayStation (1994-2005) Xbox 360 launched 2005
One hundred seventy-nine million two-hundred-twenty-nine thousand two-hundred sixty-nine.
Why so serious? The code was fabricated and a joke. I don't want to know what kind of company would even start rolling their own block device code base these days, let alone lets code as boneheaded as the stuff I posted form the foundation of their systems.
I never argued for 2 SATA interfaces. I agree it costs more, and those are the bad kind of costs: per-unit costs (different/more interface chips).
The thing I did argue for was just soldering the flash chip onto the board, saving on the interface, and writing/reusing some code to address it. It doesn't take much programmer time to do, and it's a one-time fixed start-up cost that can be amortized quickly.
Again, Sony is a vertical hardware company. They have plants. Plants that already manufacture flash-using devices in large volumes, and they source the flash chips in bulk. They don't need to fill someone else's pockets if they can do it themselves.
A small standard SATA "SSD" module contains its own circuit board with controller chips and fancy hotpluggable physical connectors and some metal casing so you can screw it in standard 2.5" bays. None of these bits and materials are needed just to get 16GB of flash storage into a device. Why pay for them?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
That's ignoring that the Wii came out in 2006, when it wouldn't have been 11 year old technology (I don't even know where you're pulling that number from, but sure.) It would've been like 5... maybe 6 years old. PS3 is now almost 6 years old. So yeah, it's not unreasonable that one might think they could shrink the system down more by this point.
Hypereides
Member
16GB? does that make any sense? Isnt that like storage for 3-4 big games?
Lookin' Pimp. Might've considered getting one if I had a penthouse with 1970's interior, shelving it right next to my peace poster and close to my bong.
I think ribbed top looks OK, but the glossy plastic on the edges looks really cheap and ugly. What it really needs is some woodgrain.
Now that's a sexy console.
Lookin' Pimp. Might've considered getting one if I had a penthouse with 1970's interior, shelving it right next to my peace poster and close to my bong.
Gamecube released in 2001. Wii/Gamecube architectures are the same, just the clock speed increased (+50%), and the 16MB A-RAM was switched out for a 64MB DDR3 chip.
So would it have been technically feasible to build the Wii innards in 2001? I'm saying yes. Controllers and "platform vision" aside, the chips could have been made.
Apple released a 733MHz G4 Mac also in 2001. I mention this because it's pretty much identical to Broadway in architecture and clocked virtually the same. So the Wii CPU was basically out on the market in 2001. Actually, they also sold dual-cores up to 800MHz. Still 2001.
So Nintendo wasn't pushing clocks on the CPU side. They stayed at around 2/3rds of what they could have achieved. Why shouldn't I assume they were conservative to the same extent on the GPU side as well?
PS3 has a harddrive Wii didn't
Negotiator
Member
Laptops have a HDD, more powerful hardware and they are slimmer.
Also an internal PSU.
Soldering the chip on the board is not a 1-time cost since you need to have a place for it and make the board larger to accomodate for it. It's also unknown how much those 1-time costs are and how much they can be amortized this late into a generation.
All that material costs a couple dollars, (all PS3's already have a metal casing to mount the HDD, and you'd need to provide it anyway if you intend to make it upgradable) and it does not need to be duplicated for other models that come with the HDD. Compared to making the whole board larger, even for models that have HDD's or managing and making two different motherboards, I'd say it's a better solution. Then there is the elimination of one-time programming and testing costs that come with adding a new interface.
Paracelsus
Member
So uh...do you think that fake wooden thing could actually become a thing?
You know, kinda like a kickstarter to fund some stickers or a faceplate or something.
You know, kinda like a kickstarter to fund some stickers or a faceplate or something.
Perfectly possible, there are stickers for current PS3 models so I'm sure some site will have some eventually for the new model.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
The early 80ies-Atari-VCS-kid in me would rebuy the PS3 to get that design.
The Wii was not 11-year-old tech when it was introduced. The GameCube was even newer than the PS3 is now. So there ya go, not so justified, merely a poor job done.
That fucking PSU. Powerbricks are far more convenient than a single enormous box.
waiting for someone to tape a hard drive and power supply to a Wii with duct tape and take a picture. Merely a poor job done
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
if only the wii was as powerful as the ps3, then it would make sense to compare sizes.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
You are trolling, please don't fill anymore of this thread with nonsense.
Brad Grenz
Member
The SATA to flash controller hardware alone tilts the cost analysis in favor of soldering on the motherboard. And as I've already pointed out, they could easily package the flash internally as a daughter board or USB drive (which is how the 360 does it) eliminating all your down sides...
Because you won't need similar hardware on the motherboard and the flash will just be able to magically interface with the PS3 system?
PS3 OS is not designed for the primary storage to be connected via USB. Even if it was, a USB/SATA 2.5" HDD enclosure, with casing, cables and all, is $4 on eBay, so you're obviously overstating the costs.
The PS3 already has a place to plug in a daughterboard, it's called a SATA slot. Making another one is just extra cost.
Brad Grenz
Member
Or a much simpler USB interface...
The PS3 OS can be modified. It's software. It's designed to allow flexibility. And the excess costs you are quibbling over against putting flash on the motherboard can be measured in pennies.
But still less than the cost of designing and building your SATA slot module.
Say whatever you want, it's just not gonna happen and you'll have 16GB flash connected via the SATA slot in the new PS3. Allowing USB as system drive opens the PS3 to all sorts of hacks and security vulnerabilities and they won't do it.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
And i thought the regular ps3 was ugly...they just topped themselves.
I think its definitely still in. The whole point of the flash is to let them sell it cheaper out of the box. Then you can add a hard drive at will.
Baron
Member
The more you consider it, the more it makes zero sense for the HDD slot to be omitted. Eventually this will be the only PS3 sold at retail, and to restrict hard disk size in such a way is simply untenable. It will have a slot for a hard disk, I'd wager.
sadmaker
Member
Slather that stuff all over the phat and victory will be yours.
Right. Another way it to think how it fits into the grand strategy. They want you to get PS+ and its instant game library. With 16 GB fixed you cant even get a quarter of the games offered.
Also, they can sell hard drives as accessories and make profit on that avenue as well.
Also, the PS4 is rumored to have 16GB of flash, so this may simply be a test run for developers on PS3 on how that can be used and best exploited when the time comes. The 16GB flash, RAM, classic hard drive and disk all as sources of data.