Cygnus X-1
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Smiles and Cries said:
I really don't know. Nintendo, with Super Mario Galaxy, showed us some solid graphics. Third Parties didn't until now.
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NiGHTSJOURNEY OF DREAMS (Wii) - [New screens pg 14]
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I really don't know. Nintendo, with Super Mario Galaxy, showed us some solid graphics. Third Parties didn't until now.
Art is good, but they need to work on their graphics a bit more.
I know full well the original NiGHTs hardly looked good on screenshots (you could never understand what was going on without seeing it in motion), but boy, this one does look Dreamcast-ish, specially after seeing the Dewi screens.
I'm not asking for HD, but Sega could at least try to make it look like a high-end GC game:
- Level textures could be higher res, the RAM is there Sega, use it!
- Add some lighting to the Nights' model, it looks too flat. Some rim lighting would fit well with the theme.
- Improve the lighting on the levels. It needs more contrast in some areas, and it's only a matter of tweaking parameters, no need to code anything new.
- The GC was the master of distortion effects. What about using some, heh? The waterfalls, the bubbles, etc. It's cheap and effective.
- Some subtle fog and depth of field would do wonders.
I know full well the original NiGHTs hardly looked good on screenshots (you could never understand what was going on without seeing it in motion), but boy, this one does look Dreamcast-ish, specially after seeing the Dewi screens.
I'm not asking for HD, but Sega could at least try to make it look like a high-end GC game:
- Level textures could be higher res, the RAM is there Sega, use it!
- Add some lighting to the Nights' model, it looks too flat. Some rim lighting would fit well with the theme.
- Improve the lighting on the levels. It needs more contrast in some areas, and it's only a matter of tweaking parameters, no need to code anything new.
- The GC was the master of distortion effects. What about using some, heh? The waterfalls, the bubbles, etc. It's cheap and effective.
- Some subtle fog and depth of field would do wonders.
titiklabingapat
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I have the feeling that these might be early builds. I also have a good feeling that more budget is being pumped into this project now than what Sega originally planned.
I mean, aren't these the same screens we've seen back in March?
I mean, aren't these the same screens we've seen back in March?
typhonsentra
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I can't believe how much shit I got for saying the game was ugly when the game was first unveiled. The game looks the same as it did in the original scans but it moved from amazing to shit all of a sudden? Ridiculous.
KingJ2002
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this game looks like it's running on a modified phantasy star universe engine... doesnt look that impressive in some of these screens but it could look great in motion. like previously said... high res textures would make the game look better but bloom would actually make the dream world more believeable.
i hope developers down the line start being more clever with their design for the wii... than sticking with a previous gen standard because the chipset is just a souped up GC. you dont need HD to make a good looking game.
i hope developers down the line start being more clever with their design for the wii... than sticking with a previous gen standard because the chipset is just a souped up GC. you dont need HD to make a good looking game.
Smiles and Cries
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titiklabingapat said:
Uh that would be nice... send them a money hat or two Nintendo from all the cash you have been trucking to the Money Bin
Mr. Pointy
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The shots would look better if they had some proper lighting.
Cygnus X-1
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thefro said:When you blow up the images to 1.5 times the resolution that the game actually runs in, the shots generally look like crap.
This is what you'd actually be playing.
Definitely the difference is big as I thought. Good work !!
Zombie James
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I've always wondered what NiGHTS would look like if it were a PS2 launch game. Now i know. Jeeze, Sega...
Im really hoping for not another Sonic Team garbage. Ive used keep my original copy of Nights Into Dreams and play it rarely. And what I see here is with the same visual quality of Pinball Nights game in original Sonic Adventure. Im expecting a lot of more (the game isnt even beauty). And want ST from 1996
I can dream
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I'm not disappointed at all...I guess my Wii expectations are low or something.
I like it.
I like it.
Segata Sanshiro
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Anyone that is saying it looks like Dreamcast or launch PS2 is overexaggerating. Not that I'm surprised, given who said comments are coming from.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Definitely not a PS2 launch game, but technologically they look on the level of DOA3 or worse, which is Xbox launch.
They look okay ONLY because they have the Nights style out the wazoo and they're graphically very colorful. If it was any other game or like a shooter, people would be crying.
edit: I mean, I love Nights as much as you, and I don't like to spend a lot of my time bashing Wii graphics (I mean, lol, come on), but these are particularly lackluster. :\ The lighting is so flat.
AdmiralViscen
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Wow, this game...
CurseoftheGods
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
Yeah. I am hoping the art will really push through.
typhonsentra
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If it's an exaggeration, it really isn't that far off. Image quality is definitely better but textures and geometry? Not in particular.Segata Sanshiro said:
fly high ~ayunite~
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The graphics are sort of acceptable if they're aiming for 60fps..
Companion Cube
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I would approve that.Chao said:AFTER
My eyes hurt
JediMasterMatt
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Hopefully, Sega won't spend much time looking at this thread and spend more time working on the gameplay versus the graphics.
The game can look the same as it currently does for me if it delivers more NiGHTS-tastic gameplay.
The game can look the same as it currently does for me if it delivers more NiGHTS-tastic gameplay.
ant1532 said:You said people are speculating too much on the screens. I don't know about everyone else but to me that infers that your trying to defend it or something. If not, my bad.
But don't call me no sailor junya!
Fair enough...but can you tell me what is going on in the scene? For all we know it can pretty much be anything...the game could run @ 60fps (which would make a big difference opposed to the screenshots) or it could have framerate problems and be a piece of junk.
All i am trying to say is that maybe we should wait for a video until we start bashing...but then again this is GAF so i guess it doesn't work that way.
Eteric Rice
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6.8 said:
This is Sega.
Smiles and Cries
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6.8 said:
I would like it to be close to what Wii can do, but anyway where is everyone so down?
This IS NiGHTS!!!
Yeah, I see what you're saying but if you saw a screenshot of Escape from Bug Island you wouldn't say the same would you lol?Mr. Pachunga Chung said:All i am trying to say is that maybe we should wait for a video until we start bashing...but then again this is GAF so i guess it doesn't work that way.
typhonsentra said:
You got shit for saying the game was ugly when all we had to look at were blurry, poor pictures of a magazine.
Saying it looks bad now? Fine and reasonable. Saying it looked bad then when we could barely even see anything? Talk about jumping the gun. That you turned out to be right doesn't mitigate that your bitching was premature and wasn't really appropriate at that time. The reaction you got was deserved; congratulations, this is one of those times when the broken clock is right.
6.8 said:
Yes, it's very disappointing. There's no reason for the game not to be looking much better than this.
Red Blaster
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Looks like the Dreamcast Ecco The Dolphin but with NiGHTs slapped in.
Segata Sanshiro
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Man, am I glad I don't have expectations on the level of some of you. Even if these *first screenshots* end up being representative of the final game, it still looks okay, and being the game that it is, the art direction is going to count for far more than the technical proficiency.
It doesn't look great, but it's acceptable. You'll forgive me if I feel the comments calling it Dreamcast level are a bit disingenuous - aside from ethelred, every last one of those saying it looks like shit or a DC game are known to be "Wii haters", and thus the comments are immediately suspect as being yet another barrage in the goofy-ass system wars that pervade our hobby.
There's a difference here from the original in one aspect - that game pushed the Saturn, this one wouldn't even be pushing the Gamecube. But otherwise, it feels the same, because I remember hearing from a lot of people who didn't own Saturns and had no plans of buying NiGHTS anyway say how shitty it looked and how they weren't going to buy it.
So whatever, you've gotten your jabs in. I'm quite certain there will be many more to come. The old Sega fans, the real fans of NiGHTS, we don't give a shit. This is a game that we never even dreamed would happen, a sequel to a game from over a decade ago, a sequel that as each year passed, the odds of it ocurring got smaller and smaller. And now we're actually getting it. This could have been a ****ing Game Boy Advance game and we'd still be giddy. Sega could have slapped it on the Virtual Boy and kicked me in the nuts every time I closed a Paraloop, and I'd still be joyous.
Keep on raining and storming gents, you won't be wiping the grin off this old warhorse's face.
It doesn't look great, but it's acceptable. You'll forgive me if I feel the comments calling it Dreamcast level are a bit disingenuous - aside from ethelred, every last one of those saying it looks like shit or a DC game are known to be "Wii haters", and thus the comments are immediately suspect as being yet another barrage in the goofy-ass system wars that pervade our hobby.
There's a difference here from the original in one aspect - that game pushed the Saturn, this one wouldn't even be pushing the Gamecube. But otherwise, it feels the same, because I remember hearing from a lot of people who didn't own Saturns and had no plans of buying NiGHTS anyway say how shitty it looked and how they weren't going to buy it.
So whatever, you've gotten your jabs in. I'm quite certain there will be many more to come. The old Sega fans, the real fans of NiGHTS, we don't give a shit. This is a game that we never even dreamed would happen, a sequel to a game from over a decade ago, a sequel that as each year passed, the odds of it ocurring got smaller and smaller. And now we're actually getting it. This could have been a ****ing Game Boy Advance game and we'd still be giddy. Sega could have slapped it on the Virtual Boy and kicked me in the nuts every time I closed a Paraloop, and I'd still be joyous.
Keep on raining and storming gents, you won't be wiping the grin off this old warhorse's face.
Christopher
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wow that looks sub Gamecube - it really looks like the backgrounds from Phantasy Star Online mixed with NiGHTs model from Sonic Adventure 2 or something...tsc tsc Sega.
I mean I've seen Sonic 06, and while it might not be the best game ever (at all) it looks pretty damn good, I'd expect more from a franchise revivial like this.
espcially one that Yuji Naka held in such high standards...
I mean I've seen Sonic 06, and while it might not be the best game ever (at all) it looks pretty damn good, I'd expect more from a franchise revivial like this.
espcially one that Yuji Naka held in such high standards...
JzeroT1437
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Original NiGHTS screenshots look pretty terrible too, but it all looks a lot better when you see it in motion.
Wait until we have a video. Besides, I don't think the screens look very bad...but I'm looking forward to playing it for its gameplay and not to see how totally realistic and bloomlit they can make a game about a flying jester who gets possessed by the spirits of children.
Wait until we have a video. Besides, I don't think the screens look very bad...but I'm looking forward to playing it for its gameplay and not to see how totally realistic and bloomlit they can make a game about a flying jester who gets possessed by the spirits of children.
Attack You
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I only ask that the graphics at least look like NiGHTS -- and so far, it looks very serviceable. These screens are missing pians, enemies, and all the other objects that'll really sell JoD's authenticity anyway. We're not getting the full picture yet.
JzeroT1437 said:
Maybe NOW they do. No one is going to convince me that the shots of NiGHTS in 1997/8 didn't blow your mind. Sega pushed that game as impossible to do on a Playstation.
We have a completely different situation here. This game doesn't have the same possibility for technical awe. It just doesn't.
It needs to use its art style and lighting to whatever advantage it can.
I don't think I'm a wii hater or a troll or anything but these are "just" acceptable. I demand so much more for this franchise-- this classic franchise that I still play regularly.
JzeroT1437
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
That's what I meant--it was a totally amazing game back then. It's still a pretty amazing experience nowadays, which says a lot; not too many 32 bit games are still as awesome as this (or as original.)
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