"Without capcoms help"
Darksider 2 is has better combat, GOW3 is a better overall package.
My point still stands. Whether you personally think the game is great is not the point.
NT is not the premier western action dev. Not even close.
And the "hate" comes from them over exaggerating their acheivements. If they said they were brought in because the ship on time and on budget, nobody would of said a word.
If they said they were brought in because they have a better grasp on narrative than most action developers, nobody would say a word, even if the writing for DmC sucked.
But they tried to exaggerate their combat chops (why on earth it is even relevant for DI game is beyond me) which is why people are bring up DmC and their flaws making it.
They brought up juggles for fucks sake. Two of their games didnt even have a jump button.