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Nintendo is once again the larger company than Sony
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Haha you are killing me here!
SlipperyMoose
Member
All I know is I'm up stairs listening to my Will Smith C.D.
soulassssns
Banned
Fanboys inbound
lol
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Please, explain how the Vita is doing better than the WiiU. I'd love to hear.
Neither is the Vita. Both platforms are selling terribly for two different reasons. The only difference is that Wii U is more important to Nintendo's overall roadmap moreso than Vita is to Sony.
lol we were all thinking it.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
No idea but I remember this post
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
This post alone vindicates this thread.
Wasn't there a recently released anime, where all the characters were carictures of gaming companies?
I was just amused by your great answer to that other guy claiming nintendo had the worst selling modern plattform, which they definitely doesnt have. I definitely agree the Vita is in the trajectory of being that, not the Wii U.
Never said otherwise. Simply that calling the WiiU the worst selling modern gaming platform was wrong.
You're right that Nintendo can't afford to be a loss-leading company -- that's the path to SEGA. That doesn't mean however that Nintendo couldn't put out a competitively powerful console and potentially still sell it at or above cost. They did that until the Wii, afterwards choosing to put significant portions of its hardware budgets into new control interfaces.
Furthermore, the PS4 and Xbox One seem to be sold at much smaller losses than their predecessors. I think a bigger reason Nintendo stays out of that race today is because they believe there isn't room in the console space for three similar platforms.
Nintendo definitely needs to do something different than what it's currently doing with consoles, but whatever it does, without other industries to back it up it needs to maintain its trademark fiscal prudence.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
well to be honest, doesn't the Vita make money and have a crazy high attach rate, while the WiiU is sold at a loss, with a poor attach rate? Not that it really matters. Both devices are the same of the respective company.
Forget about Japan, Sony has artists like Adele and Beyoncé, not even counting it's music publishing business that includes The Beatles, Elvis, Michael Jackson's catalogs and so forth.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
It's like you two are competing and fighting to decide whether WiiU or Vita is the proud holder of the title "2nd worst of all time". Which is both hilarious and silly to me
"It's terrible, but at least it is not as terrible as that one!" So... yay?
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Dont forget Daft Punk.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The Vita's profitability is dubious at best (I still remember the rumblings of 3 years to profitability for the Vita). But regardless. Sony hides the Vita's shipment numbers from investors, investors. If that's doesn't tell you something is terribly wrong nothing will.
flyinpiranha
Member
This would make sense if the PS4 didn't just outsell the Wii U LTD in about a month.
I would say it's paints Nintendo in a worse light. The one thing they do, and a "master of none" is beating them at it. At least the 3DS is doing awesome, love that little guy.
Wow, really? I learn something new about Sony every 2 days lol. I had no idea they published shows like The Boondocks, Robot Chicken, The Dr. Oz Show, Wheel Of Fortune, and a bunch of other shows/music.
It did? How much did the Wii U sell in 2013? Source?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
TBF he's pretty obvious talking about long-term profitability and growth. Sony didn't just end up it's current position over night, it took multiple wii u sized (or rather bigger), to reach it's current point.
But lets not discount how bad the Wii u is for Nintendo it's pretty bad
Are you maybe talking about "Aoi Sekai no Chuushin de"?
3 episodes too long.
It was only 3 episodes
That's the big red flag. There's a reason Sony has pretty much admitted that the Vita is their last dedicated handheld, and is moving to some sort of Xperia hybrid and tablets to funcation for their mobile gaming needs.
ramuh
Member
And Breaking Bad. Lol.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Breaking Bad,Community,Seinfeld and The Blacklist.
Thanks for this and all the other posts guys. Very interesting. I often wonder if Sony went below $10 would it be worth MS buying them, cutting the fat and merging Playstation and Xbox.
Pingoreous
Member
Community. lol
Guys, the difference between the Vita and Wii U is that Sony doesn't have the Vita hanging around its neck. The company can pretend it doesn't exist.
Nintendo has to pretend they support the Wii U until its "generation" ends, and even then, there's little to suggest that they'll he more successful.
Sony actually went from last place to first. Nintendo went from first place to not just last, but dead.
As long as the PS4 keeps leading the market, Sony will keep successfully convincing its stakeholders that the platform is worthwhile.
Meanwhile the entire Wii brand is dead.. There's nothing left of it. The largest and most lucrative sector of the gaming market left Nintendo behind.
And as for the 3DS, every subsequent handheld Nintendo releases will sell less than the DS did. Sony will discontinue the handheld Playstation eventually in favor of mobile devices that carry the software.
Vita sales are pathetic, but they don't make Sony look pathetic by association. The Wii U has turned Nintendo into a laughing stock.
Nintendo has to pretend they support the Wii U until its "generation" ends, and even then, there's little to suggest that they'll he more successful.
Sony actually went from last place to first. Nintendo went from first place to not just last, but dead.
As long as the PS4 keeps leading the market, Sony will keep successfully convincing its stakeholders that the platform is worthwhile.
Meanwhile the entire Wii brand is dead.. There's nothing left of it. The largest and most lucrative sector of the gaming market left Nintendo behind.
And as for the 3DS, every subsequent handheld Nintendo releases will sell less than the DS did. Sony will discontinue the handheld Playstation eventually in favor of mobile devices that carry the software.
Vita sales are pathetic, but they don't make Sony look pathetic by association. The Wii U has turned Nintendo into a laughing stock.
flyinpiranha
Member
My bad, I worded that wrong, will surpass the LTD very soon. Wii U is estimated at around 5 million and PS4 has been stated to sell 4.2 million not counting this past week. You're right, we don't have any concrete numbers from Nintendo but I think the writing is on the wall.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
The Wii U won't see another Christmas though.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Funny how Nintendo can seem so insignificant, and yet turn out to be one of the juggernauts in the gaming industry by looking at the numbers.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
Their Smartphones are doing really well. They are making up big ground in Europe and are focusing on several markets rather than try to enter markets like America where it will be hard for them to be competitive.
The yen is killing Sony, but I am sure the stock will soar after the next report. The PS4 is doing great numbers and is this quarter will see it making them money.
scytherage
Member
Pretty much. The "Nintendo Third Party" armchair analysts will never tire of the attention, though
No, it wouldn't be worth it.
It's like you two are competing and fighting to decide whether WiiU or Vita is the proud holder of the title "2nd worst of all time". Which is both hilarious and silly to me
"It's terrible, but at least it is not as terrible as that one!" So... yay?
I couldn't care less which one gets the title because they both suck. However, the Wii U is the successor to a 100+ million unit selling system and it's selling abysmally. To investors, that's more of an apparent problem especially atfer seeing how the PS4/Xbone are selling, then Sony selling a failing handheld in a landscape currently being taken over by mobile.
evilromero
Member
I'm not. They are still dumbing down their games and need to improve their third party relationships. Why would any fan of Nintendo games be happy when they could be doing so much more?I am genuinely happy. Yes I am happy
march forth Nintendo
You guys will eventually have to deal with the fact that the Wii U isn't going anywhere.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Speaking of stock... hey, what's the discussion of this thread is about again?
But of course.
It doesn't really matter what "place" you're in as long as your company is making money which is all these companies need to focus on.
It'll last at least another year.
The Vita made me realize how much SCEA sucks and that 3rd parties could probably blackmail them in Japan or something and get away with it.
It'll last at least another year.
The Vita made me realize how much SCEA sucks and that 3rd parties could probably blackmail them in Japan or something and get away with it.
flyinpiranha
Member
Isn't 'presence' a lot more indicative of being a 'juggernaut'? I get it, they're worth a lot. But their output and market share in the console space is becoming smaller and smaller. We don't count the Surface or the Windows Phone as a "juggernaut" in their respective industries even though MS as a company is extremely wealthy.
In fact it irritates me that Nintendo isn't pushing harder. Bundles, major moneyhats to 3rd parties, anything ... but maybe it's because I just don't enjoy their most recent output is why I'm jaded I want to see the pot stirred. The Wii U is the first Nintendo console (besides the Virtual Boy) I haven't bought day 1. A major personal preference because nobody can deny their output is still quality.
http://markets.ft.com/research//Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=7974:TYO&subview=CashFlow&period=a
What's interesting though, looking at this it show's they have gone through half the money they had reserved for future-use from 2011 to 2013 (and added some money back during 2013), so maybe we'll get some nice games out of it, since Wii U + Inicial 3DS losses wouldn't be enough to cover the amount spent.
It seems like people kept saying that Vita has a high attach rate. Can someone provide any link for this? I'm really curious.
It has zero third party support and is completely dead In Europe. I'll be surprise if it last 2 more years.
I think After Earth was approximately break-even despite of how bad it was as a movie.
ChrisInCali
Member
That's the problem. It's a dead-end system.