the ds had a fucking awful launch. the vita isn't doing as bad as the ds ever did.
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the ds had a fucking awful launch. the vita isn't doing as bad as the ds ever did.
onken
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Yeah, no.
outunderthestars
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Well, in Nintendo's defense, the handheld titles that sell well in Japan aren't often titles that will sell well in the West.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Jesus Christ is anyone actually making money in the industry? I just see losses and poor sales for Sony, Nintendo, ms, vita, 3ds, people down on a lot of 3rd parties, down on wiiu and ps4 and Xbox 720. Just a shitty time right now
outunderthestars
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I thought MS was having their best year ever in the industry.
Wonder if the horrible foreign exchange rate has played a significant role in them leaving NoA and NoE out to dry.
Well, Yamauchi's basic strategy was to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. He took a trip to the US to see the world's biggest playing card manufacturer and got disappointed when he saw how small the operation was. He had R&D come up with a ton of ideas for new directions. He nearly bankrupted Nintendo until Gunpei Yokoi saved his ass with the ultra hand and cemented Nintendo's direction as a toy company.
"I like the way you think Ronito"
"Ah, I see. So you want more plastic peripherals."
"Release the hounds".
outunderthestars
Banned
Nintendo must have been caught off guard with how quickly Wii Sales died off. It seems like there was a massive lull in first party Wii software, and yet Wii-U software seems to be almost non-existent at the moment.
Really? You don't think it will sell over 22 million worldwide?
Jaded Alyx
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Reminds me of the 'Wii will only sell to the 22 million Nintendo fans who bought the GameCube!" claim from days of yore.
Gamer @ Heart
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How is it more companies dont do this? The top brass at nintendo taking a pay cut because they under performed seems like something logical and shows some good faith to stockholders that they know they have to do better, especially considering how well executives are paid, especially in the west.
Father_Brain
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I could see Wii U selling half or less of Wii's numbers if things go badly enough.
GC numbers? Not likely. Worst case scenario is 40 million or so WW LTD, I'd say.
GC numbers? Not likely. Worst case scenario is 40 million or so WW LTD, I'd say.
outunderthestars
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I would pay good money for a 3DS with larger screens and even more for one with better, non-3D screens.
Anticitizen One
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I wish Yamuchi was still in charge.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Nintendo has a total cash amount of $12.06 billion with no direct debt.
The issue relates more to this:
yeah.
basically nintendo was dominating the world during the peak of DS + Wii but failed to capitalize on it by expanding or securing their position.
Their conservative fiscal culture was not good in this case when they were sitting in that much cash.
look at what google has done with their success in search engines and online advertising. chrome, android, etc.
walking fiend
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And also how 3DS didn't take off.
The problem is that, current size of operations of Nintendo are almost tailored to the success dates of DS and Wii; but now they have all the operating costs of those days (marketing, employees, research, etc.), yet the sales are not nearly that good.
And I don't see 3DS sales ever reaching DS, particularly on the software side. Wii U, maybe reaches Wii, maybe.
outunderthestars
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I really wish Nintendo had gone out and bought a few more studios. They have great IP, but not enough staff to properly develop it for multiple platforms.
Gamer @ Heart
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I totally agree about western devs and handhelds. Its pathetic compared to the quality efforts of the Japanese. FE not being at e3 is probably just because it isnt coming out here this year. They have several major hitters and honestly dont need it this fall and holiday.
It really depends on how the games after launch and leading into next year do. Nintendo Land is not Wii Sports. Wii Sports and the newness of the Wii remote was much easier to explain and show off. They banked a lot on that. Anything can happen. Look at Sony and the PS3 coming off the PS2. Nintendo and the GameCube vs the Wii. This is theirs to lose I think.
BoboBrazil
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Hard to say. How much would Wii have sold if Kinect and Move were out at the same time? The majority of the people that bought the Wii won't be buying the Wii U. The motion controls of the wii were revolutionary at the time and it became a fad due to that, since it was cool to have at parties and you could get gamers who normally didn't play games to partake in the motion control stuff. That same thing won't be happening because of a touch screen controller.
NintendoGal
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But you don't know this either way. This is not a fact, unless you have a hidden time machine that you need to share.
Freezie KO
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Agreed. Third-parties cannot be relied on for exclusives. With costs so high, multiplatform is the only business model that makes sense for them.
But exclusives are what sell hardware. Nintendo should've seen how the Wii was going in 2008 and reinvested heavily in studios that could match their development culture, even if those studios produced games radically different than Nintendo's (like Rare or Retro).
When those moves should've been made, I feel Nintendo was still in love with its own success. They probably felt they could ride the casual boom forever (witness E3 2008).
Now, they've got an HD console, but it will likely experience the same drop off with support once the PS4rango comes out, and the Wii U loses ports. Once again, Nintendo will be left supporting two platforms, and they just don't have the sheer quantity of games or studios to do that.
StreetsAhead
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Half of Wii owners clearly only bought it for the Wii remote and Wii Sports and bought nothing else. Except maybe Wii Fit.
outunderthestars
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source? The Wii had a pretty damn impressive attach rate...
NintendoGal
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That may be true, but nobody knows the future. Look at just that, how Wii did. No one predicted that. Hell, I was one of the naysayers, though perhaps not to the extremes that I saw here.
BoboBrazil
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The majority of people bought it because of the motion controls. Now that is done by every company. It is safe to assume that the majority of these people won't be buying a Wii U. We saw Nintendo sales before Wii with Gamecube. Obviously the videogame market is larger now than during the Gamecube era, but with new Sony and Microsoft systems in the pipeline for next year I just don't see this thing making a huge mark on the videogame market.
StreetsAhead
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It was a sarcastic response to the 'Gamecube' level sales and the 'Half of Wii user-base won't buy Wii U' comment.
If it's cheaper than hypothetical competition, offers comparable 3rd party games and is out at least 12 months earlier, it's got a chance.
Yeah but a Z80 for a CPU.
I think you're underestimating how fast the tablet market is growing. This hardware is jumping in at just the right time. I don't see how your assumptions aren't safe at all.
BoboBrazil
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Problem is it's coming out against a cheaper(most likely) PS3 and Xbox 360 at the time with comparable looking games at best and worse looking games for the most part at launch. Who's going to jump in on this besides diehard Nintendo fans? Again, maybe the touch screen controller will be some mega hit, but I just don't see it happening, especially with no compelling reason for it to exist at launch.
BoboBrazil
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The people that want a tablet are buying an android tablet or Ipad.
Or a Kindle Fire if they don't want to spend a lot. That combined with Amazon Prime is a very good buy.
Lord_Byron28
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So what do you propose Microsoft and Sony will be offering that will sway owners to purchase their systems? This gen proved that the general consumer can't fully be swayed solely by improved graphics and they don't have HD and Blu-Ray to tote around as new features anymore.
Well they're obviously not buying a Wii U right now.
outunderthestars
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Do you really think people who are shopping for tablets are going to buy a Wii U instead?
No, it would be crazy to assume that. I just meant that it's hitting a trend at just the right moment.
BoboBrazil
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Graphics and improved ai and animation due to the stronger power of the systems has always been a selling point from generation to generation. It happened again this generation when people moved from the PS2 and Xbox to the 360 and PS3. The only thing holding it back from destroying PS2 level numbers is the price. Being at $249 and $199 6 years into a generation is ridiculous. The wii was an anomoly as it offered a gameplay experience unmatched on other consoles due to motion controls. It also was at a much lower price point than the competition. Improved graphics and other things like AI and animation being improved will sell the next generation of consoles just like it has every generation.
You do realize that many households only have one TV in them, especially Japan right? The fact that the console comes with its own screen is a huge asset, couple that with the brand name, system sellers, and a very competitive price, and the whole "doom and gloom" doesn't sound so true. Will it be as successful as the Wii? Highly unlikely. But saying people won't be the WiiU because of that is not accurate enough. I think it will all depend on the software, just like every console before it.
Historically speaking the console with the most advanced hardware rarely sold the most.
StreetsAhead
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This is true. But, two of Nintendo's biggest franchises are coming out in the launch window. Uncharted games, as a series combined, haven't sold as much as Wii Fit Plus. Maybe they won't strike that pot of gold again, but at least they're trying.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Nobel Prize was also decreased 20%, coincidence!!!!!
Talladega Knight
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is this true?
He said he wanted to know what will happen a few years from now, not what's happening today.
That's kind of the point, I think. It's a temporary measure to increase good will with investors, and possibly to attract new ones to a company they didn't know was socially-responsible. All this, plus a little self-punishment.
I still laugh at people who think it'll fail and try to remember if they were the same people claiming you could walk into any store after launch and buy a Wii. I'm sure there's a few parallels there.
ds sales were so bad that nintendo bundled gba and ds sales together for a few months in 2005. one month we actually got ds standalone numbers: 59k.
Ding-Ding-Ding!
Edit:
Actually, I think he just parroted that line so much that I thought it was him saying it. He was actually telling people that Nintendo fanboys were so rabid that they wouldn't be able to walk in and get one. Check out this thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123690
Baconsammy
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Kinda like the people that thought the Wii train would last as long or longer than the 360/PS3, only to see it crash and burn suddenly and swiftly. Probably explains why the Wii U is getting such a bad launch. Nintendo wasn't expecting the crash either.
GeneralManager
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grandjedi6
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I remember that. And then the next year Nintendo/NPD couldn't do proper year growth/decrease for each system because of it.
viciouskillersquirrel
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To be fair, in any other generation, if it were any other company's console, those sales would have prompted a lot of new third party development announcements and the sales would have become self-sustaining just on the back of a steady slate of releases.
For various reasons, that didn't happen with the Wii and Nintendo simply cannot sustain a release schedule by themselves.
For a traditional Japanese company, think of bonuses the way Westerners working in the service industry think of tips: basically part of the salary (which would be an underpaid wage without them). Just as 15% is standard and you never tip zero unless there was a real problem, in Japan a small bonus is still given out unless the company is really in dire straits. Typically you get 1/15 or 1/16 of you annual pay each month, with the rest at bonus time.
(My somewhat-Westernized company moved off the bonus system a few years ago, paying us 1/12 of our annual pay every month, but they still hand out a token "incentive bonus" of ¥100,000 or so once a year.)
evilromero
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You act as if software will have nothing to do with the Wii U's appeal, much as it did the Wii. It wasn't the motion controls as much as it was a combination of the accessibility of Wii Sports and the simple controls.
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