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Nintendo Web Framework (HTML5, Javascript, CSS dev support) announced for the Wii U
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Tessellation wasn't part of the DX standard feature set before, but AMD GPUs supported it for years as a custom extension. Though the implementation AMD used is not DX11 compliant. The R700 tessellator is also a bit of a mystery in itself, as early AMD statements claimed it was quite different from the one used in previous GPUs, but I could never find any further details or specific information. Probably because it was quickly rendered obsolete by DX11, so AMD had no reason to explain it in-depth. If the DX11 implementation was better, they'd have nothing to brag about, and if it was worse, they'd basically blame Microsoft for going with an inferior implementation and piss off customers.
phosphor112
Banned
Except XNA used a real programming language.
What does that even mean?
tkscz
Member
So JS and HTML5 aren't real programming languages? Because I was taught that all programming languages were real.
tkscz
Member
Not really. It says that the WiiU has DX10 support, though one could argue why not say DX11.
Something to remember is that Nintendo won't run DX of any sort and is more than likely using OpenGL 3.9, which supports parts of OpenGL 4.0 language.
Edit: Crap I double posted, sorry
Unity isn't a programming language?
If you are going to be a C# snob just say so, but don't trash on new and upcoming programming languages because you don't know them.
That differentiation becomes more and more meaningless every day. The main difference between scripting languages and "real" programming languages used to be that one ran through an interpreter while the other was compiled, but these days, even scripting languages are often compiled. At the same time, a lot of the features typically found in scripting languages, like automatic garbage collection, made their way into modern "real" programming languages.
Unity is no programming language. It's an engine. It supports several different programming languages, including C# and JavaScript.
I applied although I surely wouldn't be able to afford a Dev Kit.
But I plan to go to Kickstarter once I get the game mostly done. Time to buckle down and finish this thing.
I've always dreamed of having something I made on a Nintendo console. The younger me would have gone batshit for this.
But I plan to go to Kickstarter once I get the game mostly done. Time to buckle down and finish this thing.
I've always dreamed of having something I made on a Nintendo console. The younger me would have gone batshit for this.
Bony Manifesto
Member
I think it depends what you thought XNA was for. As a way to learn video game programming techniques without getting bogged down in technical minutiae, it was superb. As a worthwhile outlet to actually make games for, it was somewhat less successful: when even AAA developers tend to licence a game engine, expecting amateurs to code everything from scratch was somewhat optimistic.
But Nintendo has absolutely no ambitions of teaching the next generation of programmers how to code, they just want games - any games - for their hardware. If if that's what they want, then they need to be as inclusive as possible and keep things as simple as possible. Although I do wonder if they truly know what they're letting themselves in for by reducing the barriers of entry so much. Is this an attempt to directly take on Android and iOS?
To me it clearly is. One of the slide says freemiums or something. I think it's the first time ever I heard Nintendo in some form speaking about free games.
The only con I have, and that's available for no more concept approval too, is the risk to see garbage flood just like on iOS.
But I guess the need for the SDK will be a real efficient barrier here. Can't wait to order this thing lol.
Scirra says they want to bring Construct 2 engine exporter for Wii U if Nintendo will let them.
For those who don't know, Construct 2 allows you to make HTML5 games. And you don't need to know programming to make games. Super Ubi Land was made in Construct 2.
https://twitter.com/Scirra/status/317266051312279552
For those who don't know, Construct 2 allows you to make HTML5 games. And you don't need to know programming to make games. Super Ubi Land was made in Construct 2.
https://twitter.com/Scirra/status/317266051312279552
Sweet! Good luck with that!
Bony Manifesto
Member
Requiring a hefty payment up-front for a dev kit might keep out the chancers, but honestly, they're not the problem on Android and iOS - they release shitty games without any fanfare or promotion, spend ten minutes being visible in the 'newly added' section, then disappear without a trace. No, the problem is the 'real' companies who have an art budget and marketing team and churn out title after derivative title that hang around in the charts for weeks.
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
Very cool. I'll buy (or give money through kickstarter for) any game made by a gaffer for the Wii U.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
... slightly related article... https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/...he-power-of-the-web-as-a-platform-for-gaming/
.Still, exciting news from Nintendo. This could help some developers quite a bit (it sounds a bit similar to what Apple offers to iBooks developers too, JS+HTML wise).
What does not help people porting their applications is that you have to work around the lack of gestures (based on more than one touch point) and multi-touch support in general.
I'm not dissing JavaScript, just explaining what he/she meant.
Well, you can certainly do that if you buy a dev kit. Build the app and don't release it.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I was looking at that earlier today. On this note: http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/... slightly related article... https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/...he-power-of-the-web-as-a-platform-for-gaming/
WebGL is the ultimate 3D prototyping environment - all you need (for most things) is a damned browser! People have been doing full-fledged game engines in WebGL for some time now. Somebody please pinch nintendo!
Oh boy ... Here we go . C# is as much of scripting language than anything else. It's a copy of java actually. He'll c++ is just a scripting language for assembly really.
wakajawaka
Member
This should have been done a year before the console launched, get famous app developers, market angry birds/cut the rope/whatever -> profit.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Some of that is insane, I had no idea such high quality stuff was possible -- I mean I did know there was some cool Browser stuff -- battlestar galactica online etc. taught me that... but...
http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgl_materials_bumpmap_skin.html
http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgl_materials_normalmap2.html
http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgldeferred_pointlights.html
Love the Tilt Shift DOF on this one -
http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgl_terrain_dynamic.html
http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgl_materials_bumpmap_skin.html
http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgl_materials_normalmap2.html
http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgldeferred_pointlights.html
Love the Tilt Shift DOF on this one -
http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgl_terrain_dynamic.html
frankie_baby
Member
well angry birds is coming to the wii u anyway later this year
mugurumakensei
Member
Eh, they most likely only recently completed their web framework.
Nintendo is crazy if they don't cut some deal with Rovio to do Angry Birds: Mushroom Kingdom Edition.
frankie_baby
Member
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Holy shit, one of the most fucking ignorant statements I've ever read in this forum. I'd fire you if you worked with me.
Wtf do you mean by "real programming language"? Read some books before throwing such outlandish remarks.
They did publish 360/PS3/3DS versions but rights? I haven't heard about that. Angry Birds Trilogy is already coming to Wii U btw.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I'm very happy to hear this. I think they need to take it a bit further and allow these tools to go out to anyone. The nice part is that the web platform is designed to be secure and because of interoperability people should be able to use them without needing dev kits.
It does make me interested in signing up. Obviously I'm not going to go for a dev kit unless I feel my own project is far enough along but I've built several game engines and dev tools using web technologies so this is definitely up my alley.
It does make me interested in signing up. Obviously I'm not going to go for a dev kit unless I feel my own project is far enough along but I've built several game engines and dev tools using web technologies so this is definitely up my alley.
phosphor112
Banned
Unless I missed something this framework isn't C# based, which is what XNA uses. This framework,just as the title says uses HTML5, Javascript, and CSS, which 2 of them aren't programming languages.
C# is very similar to Java, a programming language, but Java isn't JavaScript, nor are they related. In fact, the syntax for JS more resembles C. Anyway JS IS a language but it's extremely high level language that runs within a web browser. It is used to tell different HTML elements what to do. I haven't worked with it in many years but last I used it, it wasn't used for much.
HTML5, M = Markup. Markup isn't programming.
CSS is just stylesheets. Technically, HTML + CSS both are Turing complete, but people who think they are programmers because they can make a webpage with HTML and CSS are kidding themselves.
EDIT: To further elaborate, JS tells the browser (or whatever it's embedded into) to do the work while programing languages while programming languages do the work itself.
Smiles and Cries
Member
WTF is this?
Good thing the combo can do way more than just webpages.
HTML5 = Canvas, which is itself a language of itself inside Javascript.
You yourself said Javascript can't be used for much, but then you said you haven't used it in years. So you really don't know how much it can do these days. Javascript is very powerful these days, esp HTML5 stuff.
I've do this as a living (web programmer). Heck I've been doing this for past 15 years (I'm 27).
You yourself said Javascript can't be used for much, but then you said you haven't used it in years. So you really don't know how much it can do these days. Javascript is very powerful these days, esp HTML5 stuff.
I've do this as a living (web programmer). Heck I've been doing this for past 15 years (I'm 27).
Saint Gregory
Member
Amazing, the game actually develops itself lol
Did you know that C# doesn't actually compile down to machine code and instead runs inside the .NET runtime? C# just tells the .NET runtime to do the work. Obviously not a "real" programming language.
If you can't pick up on the sarcasm there, you are wrong.