recursive
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Lots of evangelism. Praise be to Phil.
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Nobody is playing Halo Infinite on Steam as player numbers drop to 2% of launch peak
STARSBarry
Gold Member
I have this image saved, its the word map for why people voted for Halo Infinite in NeoGAF for GOTY.
My favorite reason people voted for Halo is "coop" something that was not added until well over a year later.
GAF literally votes on the promise that Halo would become a good game as a live service title, not what was actually delivered, it pissed me off at the time and still does.
You can just whip this image out anytime GAF is accused of being full of only Sony fans, this shit was just Unreal... Forza got robbed that year.
My favorite reason people voted for Halo is "coop" something that was not added until well over a year later.
GAF literally votes on the promise that Halo would become a good game as a live service title, not what was actually delivered, it pissed me off at the time and still does.
You can just whip this image out anytime GAF is accused of being full of only Sony fans, this shit was just Unreal... Forza got robbed that year.
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Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
More How Low Can You Go
gothmog
Gold Member
You mean over explaining why their netcode is so bad in a blog post didn't fix it?
I can't even get that excited about a BR coming out 5+ years after the trend no matter how it's branded.
BlackTron
Member
Well now I feel like the weird one because I still play a few matches almost daily (but on Xbox). The only thing that slowed me down was Zelda coming out but Halo is back in the rotation. It's not perfect and leaves some things to be desired, but its a fun game that scratches my multiplayer FPS itch. Graphics style is pleasing to the eye, vehicles are fun, easy way to press 1 button and get 2 big teams duking it on a big map. One thing though is that I ignore completely the cosmetics and progression system. Never cared about it. To me it's just a free Halo game. May as well be old original Xbox's that you LAN up with no reward whatsoever. You played it just to have fun no other reason.
I should fight my laziness to find another FPS though.
I should fight my laziness to find another FPS though.
They did make changes during season 3 to try to reduce desync.
systemr123
Member
At least the Spartans are very diverse, so that’s a win for 343. /sNice way to kill the franchise.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
ResilientBanana
Member
Lmao no. Halo itself just doesn’t seem to interest anyone anymore. Those other games wouldn’t change under MS. 343 was poorly built as a new studio to handle Halo.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Halo: ODST
I personally didn't care for it because of no MC. And that was with the Bungie pedigree developing it, let alone a less capable 343.
While Reach was not MC, at least it still was a Spartan.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
Lmao look at the Xbox/MS's track record
Laieon
Member
Reach and ODST are my favorite in the series.
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deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
Yes, but that's it
Still, chances are that people are playing with GamePass. I don't think is fair to use Steam numbers
Syphon Filter
Member
I told people the game will fail way before it even released and they told me I was trolling. Infinite is a call of duty ripoff and not a real Halo game, people will just play the actual real COD if they want that experience.
Based on the TTK and style of weaponry Halo Infinite seems much closer to Unreal Tournament to me. About half the weapons have no conventional equivalents (area of effect shield denial and homing grenades, bouncing flechettes, handguns shooting arcing rounds, a bolt based sniper rifle etc).
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01011001
Banned
the issue is how they made the base movement feel like a generic modern shooter instead of doing something that fits Halo.
"shooters now have a sprint button, so gotta have a sprint button.
shooters now let you pull yourself up ledges, so gotta have that.
shooters now let you slide out of a sprint, gonna have that as well of course!
MP shooters don't have friendly fire these days, so friendly fire has to go off.
modern shooters all have battle passes, so we also gonna have battle passes!
modern shooters launch with barely any modes and maps, and then dripfeed everything after launch, so we gonna do that exactly like them!"
that is Halo Infinite. they took the skeleton of Halo 3, and pressed it into a Frankenstein's monster meat body that has stitched together parts of every generic modern shooter trope.
"grenade jumps? call of duty doesn't have grenade jumps! take them out! and throw rocket jumps out with them as well!"
and then they launched it without any form of coop for the campaign, they eventually released online coop and canceled the promised splitscreen coop even tho it's almost perfectly playable already, even on base Xbox One, with only weird, often visual, glitches really making it feel unfinished...
they launched without a Team Slayer playlist, the mode that's by far the most popular in every Halo.
they launched without Infection, AGAIN, which only released officially this season (custom game modes did already exist tho).
Noone at 343i has even remotely an idea what Halo is or what made it popular in the first place.
the game basically had ZERO community features at launch... a fucking Halo game. the game series that made map sharing, video sharing, Screenshot sharing and game mode sharing popular on console... none of that at launch.
they still to this day have no pre-game and post-game lobby system, which originally wasn't in the game because thes used TrueSkill 2 as their matchmaking system. a system literally programmed to manipulate match outcomes, and with it player behaviour.
can't have a lobby system where you can stay with the same players if the game wants you to lose your next match by giving you awful teammates and really strong enemies on purpose!
btw. the same is happening in CoD Modern Warfare 2, which is why that game also doesn't have game lobbies anymore. gotta manipulate that win ratio!
so on the surface you might see a slower TTK and some "crazy" weapon types, but if you look beneath the surface, it's just generic modern shooter puzzle pieces with a Halo paintjob.
it's like a Halo mod for CoD.
the times where you played Infection and made a human ladder in order to get on top of a tower where the zombies had a hard time getting you are over... that Halo is dead... replaced with one where you can't even collide with your team mates, let alone do creative things like trick jumps using nade launchers or explosives... now it's just SPAWN > SPRINT > SHOOT > DIE > REPEAT.
and don't get me started on how they absolutely ruined big team beyond what anyone could have imagined.
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ResilientBanana
Member
Most of the studios have released games. Nothing stopped them. Microsoft doesn't step into their development cycles.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Wait. Graphics?I have this image saved, its the word map for why people voted for Halo Infinite in NeoGAF for GOTY.
My favorite reason people voted for Halo is "coop" something that was not added until well over a year later.
GAF literally votes on the promise that Halo would become a good game as a live service title, not what was actually delivered, it pissed me off at the time and still does.
You can just whip this image out anytime GAF is accused of being full of only Sony fans, this shit was just Unreal... Forza got robbed that year.
ResilientBanana
Member
What goalposts have I moved? Since 2020 Microsoft have developed and/or published nearly 30 games. Microsoft didn't build most of the studios they acquired.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
oh yisus....
.1. this thread is about Halo Infinite losing 98% of its player base.
2. I said that this could happen to WoW,CoD, and Overwatch under MS. What is "this"? :
the mismanagement of IP and incompetence at game Development (as a publisher)
3. You equate the current state of Halo due to 'lost in Interest" and because 343 was a poorly build studio....
and i ask (rhetorically)...Is Halo infinite 343's first halo game ever?
point is: Halo current state is due to the systematic mismanagement and incompetence of previous games which damaged the Halo IP.
4. I said MS/Xbox's track record (mismanagement and incompetence of Released games)
and for some reason, you try to
"Most of the studios have released games. Nothing stopped them"
i am not talking about the games that have not released.
"Microsoft doesn't step into their development cycles".
MS is the publisher. if a game has poor development...is on them to step in. (your point shouldn't be something that excuses MS)
Fable: they mishandled the IP making games that didn't talk to the core audience. Now. point a
in fable legends.Crackdown: The first one is still considered as the best one....think about that. and 3, was a shitshow in term of development and as a final product.
Gears: Complete stagnation of a franchise that has lost his luster.
Project Dark: They bought the developer and IP of a previously highly regarded game by the critics (90+Meta) and made a lesser sequel.
Banjo-Kazooie: Pretty much the same as PD. A worse iteration under MS. in both instances sending the IPs to the shadow realm.
Alan Wake > Quantum Break: A dev that takes way too much time to make games a yet under MS they didnt improve at all QB had a worse reception than AW. And Funny enough, Control took less time to develop and got a higher MC score..and it had a better word of mouth.
Redfall:
This is where the lessons learned from Fable Legends should have come into play. A single-player studio Pivoting to a multiplayer game (lionhead) ending in complete disaster. MS showed that they didn't learn from that mistake to help Arcane/Bethesda.and of course Halo. wich is well documented why they failed....MS policies being a big factor.
So. yeah....the odds of MS fucking those Acti-Blizz IPs up, are quite high because once a mergerer of this scale (and as you can look up) is followed by layoffs, people leaving, culture clash, power vaccums etc..
MarkMe2525
Member
What a shame really, they built a game with great bones and big promises.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Even 5 hours was 4.5 hours too many for me.
I nopped out in 27 minutes; that's all I could manage. I want to smoke what people say, "at least the gameplay is 10/10 fun," are smoking. The whole game left a lot to be desired for me -- being a flagship premiere IP.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Let's see what the twitterverse says about this news
It's at #21 on Xbox's most played list.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And then I jump into the finally competent (want to know that the reviewers at the time were smoking) MCC and have infinitely more fun in the single play campaigns.Even 5 hours was 4.5 hours too many for me.
I nopped out in 27 minutes; that's all I could manage. I want to smoke what people say, "at least the gameplay is 10/10 fun," are smoking. The whole game left a lot to be desired for me -- being a flagship premiere IP.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
If you compare it to Redfall though it's doing gangbusters. 
Sleepwalker
Member
You and Linus whenever he tests a new rig
OverHeat
« generous god »
maybe Im linus....lol
winjer
Gold Member
Nah.....
Your not constantly trying to peddle overpriced water bottles and underwear.
Vox Machina
Banned
Almost at 500 hours on Steam (played the Campaign via Xbox PC App/Game Pass).
Fantastic game that had a rough launch.
Fantastic game that had a rough launch.
GetInTheRobot
Banned
It's a great game, some of the best fps combat ever. Just a poorly supported GAAS.
Draugoth
Gold Member
All Battle Passes can be purchased for $10 and progressed in anytime.
If the game had no instore mtx it would be the best GaaS in the market
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GetInTheRobot
Banned
Thier seasons just kind of suck, the implementation of events and seasons are good, the content itself is just boring. People clown Fortnite and COD for their the boys or anime events, but they draw people in. If halo did like a gundam event, or a "the expanse" event it would be more compelling to many people.
Draugoth
Gold Member
As soon as they realized the game didnt live to expectations they cut all of funding.
I will probably be quitting after S4
GetInTheRobot
Banned
Same, I still play here and there, but the gameplay is superb. I can jump back in and barely feel like I missed a beat.
Vox Machina
Banned
I don't mind an in-game store as long as there are cosmetics that can be earned outside of it. But yes, Halo's approach to Battle Passes is industry-leading. I have all but Season 2's complete and I'm working on that one now, during Season 4 (completed S4's BP couple of days ago). It's very consumer-friendly and I hope Xbox applies that standard to ActiBlizz's Battle Pass systems going forward.
Draugoth
Gold Member
The problem with mtx is that they will cut content that could be free to sell as overpriced bundles in the shop, 70% of the cosmetics in the game need to be purchased.
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Vox Machina
Banned
The problem with doing that is Halo "fans" would throw a huge shitfit (once again playing themselves). It's such an impossible community to please because "Halo" means different things to different people. There are people who, to this day, decry any cosmetics that aren't VERY strictly "in-universe".
Content should generally cost money. Dev's should be paid more. And yes, cosmetics are content. It's art that artists have to make and model, designers and devs have to implement, and that UI/UX has to present to the user in cohesive ways. The game itself is free.
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Codes 208
Member
Rough launch? It had a rough fucking year
Many of the basic features that shouldve been in at launch (like forge, level selection, CO-OP) we had to wait for until season 3 (one full year after release)
And thats not even getting in the game design issues like desync or lack of collision or battlepass implementation (specifically how it feels like 70% of each battle pass is just swaps and xp boosts)
I wont say it hasnt improved at all, but honestly it went from straight-up shit to mediocre, not exactly a big jump.