Yes, yes they can when they sign NDAs. In certain fields of business such information is considered proprietary. Same idea as leads in sales.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2014 [Up3: All of Nintendo's 3DS million sellers]
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Yes, yes they can when they sign NDAs. In certain fields of business such information is considered proprietary. Same idea as leads in sales.
shinra-bansho
Member
Life, uh, finds a way.
People need to chill, repeatedly asking for numbers or revisiting past events isn't going to get us anywhere. They'll come, if and when they come.
People need to chill, repeatedly asking for numbers or revisiting past events isn't going to get us anywhere. They'll come, if and when they come.
Cornbread78
Member
From thooks of that flyer, it also shws people getting a $50 GC back as well, meanign people are basically getting the PS4, GTAV, TLoU and another game or controller for $410. Great deal!
two transactions is the key to using that GC right away....Always remember that GAF..
Good job, Goldmund. Hope you're happy.
vpance
Member
I suppose so. Everything changes after you fork out $1000's and sign your name on some dotted line huh.
Yeah, they held back for sure. The numbers will reappear somewhere, 8 years of leaks FFS. Information must flow dammit.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I'm guessing that more than a few members here didn't seem to realize people were risking their livelihoods bringing us this data. To get access to NPD data you have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. An NDA is a legally binding contract. Breaking said contract can get you fired, and legally bound to paying back the party that owns said data.
Aqua, Cream, everyone that has given us this precious data was putting their livelihoods on the line just so a bunch of spoiled children could have console warrior time.
So I'll reiterate what I said last month. Come back Aqua. Be the awesome poster you always were, without endangering yourself and fuck them! Those childish bastards don't want to quote? Fuck em!
We don't have to have the info. It's little more than a vanity project to way too many posters anyway. A way to say "Hah! I told you I was smert for buying PS4!"
It hurts those of us that stat track, but we're not worth your sanity, and for damn sure we're not worth the hassle.
Aqua, Cream, everyone that has given us this precious data was putting their livelihoods on the line just so a bunch of spoiled children could have console warrior time.
So I'll reiterate what I said last month. Come back Aqua. Be the awesome poster you always were, without endangering yourself and fuck them! Those childish bastards don't want to quote? Fuck em!
We don't have to have the info. It's little more than a vanity project to way too many posters anyway. A way to say "Hah! I told you I was smert for buying PS4!"
It hurts those of us that stat track, but we're not worth your sanity, and for damn sure we're not worth the hassle.
3rdamention
Member
Meijer and HH Gregg also have the PS4, Batman, and LBP3 Bundles. Its not just Toys R Us.
Final Verdict
Member
The $50 GC is for getting a regular PS4 with no games.
Final Verdict
Member
never heard of those retailers, where do you live?
She was a super cool poster. Come back!
DustyVonEric
Member
Hey, guys. Don't just pile on Gold. There's enough shit pie for a few more members. What's done is done.
Still gets me though. I used to enjoy NPD Night.
shinra-bansho
Member
L'Oréal's been lying to me all these years.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I read the original thread and im sorry, she did start to slowly lose it in that thread. Even before people started calling her out.
It was like she was getting overexcited, dropped a bunch of extra info (I was banned at the time but im assuming she was giving exact numbers in the email tags) and then thought "shit, what if members of NPD group have gaf accounts?"
The actual posts from other posters were a bit annoying but they were easily ignored. It was more the people constantly asking for summaries which were a bigger issue.
Honestly, I feel she was doing an excellent favour for this community but just like the "insiders" she got a bit drunk on her importance. Her taking a step back for a while is a good thing for her.
Id argue the perfect NPD system would be to follow John harkers model, small hints here and there, with a larger blowout a month later, closer to the release of the following months NPD. This should be hidden by email tags and presented in a way for people who will actually make the effort to put the info together.
The problem with recent NPD threads is its become a battleground for console wars with NPD numbers as bullets. Most people actually don't give a shit about numbers, they just want further validation of the ascension of their console brand of choice.
Thats what is drawing so much attention to Neogaf, aqua and cream. If the data was much further delayed and further obfuscated, certain members of this forum would be much less concerned about it.
At the end of the day aqua and cream are risking their jobs, careers and livehoods to give a bunch of forum goers talking points. If most of us were in the same position we would keep our mouths shut. That is to be respected.
What shouldn't be respected is knowingly faciliting a carnival of stupid. Honestly, the data will not change if we get it on NPD on release day or a month later. What will change is its importance to NPD as a corporation, its partners (some of which - saying no names - are putting extra pressure on them to crack down) and who on this forum care enough about historical data to follow whats going on.
Basically, if you just want talking points about your console manufacturer of choice, stick to chartzzz and amazon. They give you enough round about info to know what is selling a decent range of how much.
The average neogaf poster simply does not need to know if product x is selling 238k or 258k. Around 250-270k is enough.
3rdamention
Member
I am in Indianapolis. Meijer is in the Midwest, Michigan, Illinoi, Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky, HH Gregg Midwest and East Coast.
It's quite ridiculous that these numbers aren't made public. The situation is even worse for Europe; we never get any numbers there (thanks for nothing, GfK). Japan does it right, that's the way it should be everywhere.
We know how many books are sold, we know how movies do (and how much money they earn), we know how well music sells, how many people watch certain TV shows. What makes video games and consoles special?
These numbers should not be kept secret. Why don't these so-called video game journalists do something about it? Now that would be a worthy cause for once.
We know how many books are sold, we know how movies do (and how much money they earn), we know how well music sells, how many people watch certain TV shows. What makes video games and consoles special?
These numbers should not be kept secret. Why don't these so-called video game journalists do something about it? Now that would be a worthy cause for once.
crazygambit
Member
I feel this post didn't get enough love.
Interfectum
Member
Sales threads getting too meta.
Nealand Liquor
Member
I hope so too.
I bought it and returned it in a couple days because it was so shitty. The remote play sucked and worst of all most of my vita games are incompatible. Releasing it as it is was just dumb on Sony behalf.
Someone is making millions off the data.
Getting something for free out of someone that's making millions off selling it.....not easy.
Karsticles
Member
Did you just trash talk Aquamarine and encourage people to use chartz in the same post?
At least you have that tag as a warning.
The fact is that Aquamarine cared about this community, and she took risks to bring us information. She was a good poster, and losing her is noteworthy. She will be missed not just for her contributions, but for her general presence here.
Here's an idea, create your own tracking service and you can share them with the world but I would guess that's not a financially viable business.
Final Verdict
Member
Ahhh, ok, I live down south in LA.
Been to Indianapolis before, but it was years ago.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
Playstation TV was just a poor ass launch from sony, and they had a year to figure out how to market it here in the states. It should've breathed a second life into the Vita, but instead it just seems so poorly thought out and supported.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Because you're worth it.
totally missed out on this, hope Aqua is fine :/
Interfectum
Member
I don't even know why they bothered tbh. Complete waste of resources and serves to muddy the Playstation brand.
anexanhume
Member
The bundle is also in the UK. It's definitely a Sony creation.
Smash will absolutely chart.
There are a few noteworthy posters that make gaf worthwhile. She was one of them. John is another.
Cornbread78
Member
crap, you're right, we'll call that the "MS price parity" rebate.
I know stores are matching the Wal-Mart.com bundle deals live currently for instance:
The Standard PS4 + a game is $439
Destiny Bundle + a game is $489
Not too much savings, but $20 off is $20 saved towards future games...
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
*sigh*
Look. I like aqua being here. Ive learnt alot from reading her posts.
Im just saying the information she is revealing in NPD threads is painting a big target on her back and for what? So people can argue amongst themselves over console wars? This shit has consequences and Neogaf is getting big enough and influential enough that it is a good idea tl be much less fortcoming and hide the information much more.
At the end of the day if she loses her job and gets sued, it doesnt effect anyone than her. Its not worth it to do things how they have been done.
The information can be spread to the community without a big "hi look at the NPD data!" Thread each month. People who actually give a shit about her should be able to see that, surely.
Nope, not a sure fire bet Halo will either.
Last year:
AC Unity, Rouge, COD, GTAV, Madden and NBA will all be huge million+ sellers. XB1 Minecraft release with the other 3 skus could see it do huge numbers too.
Far Cry, Dragon Age and perhaps Destiny (though this month has made me doubt its legs)
MK is around 1.2m after 5 months is it not? Smash will sell well but to outsell MK LTD in 2 weeks?
If they do both chart it'll be in the lower positions. Top 5 is already locked down.
opticalmace
Member
Nope, not a sure fire bet Halo will either.
Last year:
AC Unity, Rouge, COD, GTAV, Madden and NBA will all be huge million+ sellers. XB1 Minecraft release with the other 3 skus could see it do huge numbers too.
Far Cry, Dragon Age and perhaps Destiny (though this month has made me doubt its legs)
MK is around 1.2m after 5 months is it not? Smash will sell well but to outsell MK LTD in 2 weeks?
If they do both chart it'll be in the lower positions. Top 5 is already locked down.
Why would it need to outsell MK LTD to chart? It's only the one month's sales.
open_mouth_
insert_foot_
When did games become more about the #'s than the fun?
With that said, XB1 takes November by 130k units... guaranteed.
With that said, XB1 takes November by 130k units... guaranteed.
Because most of those games I mentioned will do 1m+ easy.
XB1/PS4 userbase will be over 10m end of Nov vs WiiU's 3m, that gives multiplats like Far Cry ect a great shot at 1m+
Hmmm. Hard to argue you with you. I still think Smash will chart, but with less than two weeks, it'll certainly be closer to 10 than to 5.Nope, not a sure fire bet Halo will either.
Last year:
AC Unity, Rouge, COD, GTAV, Madden and NBA will all be huge million+ sellers. XB1 Minecraft release with the other 3 skus could see it do huge numbers too.
Far Cry, Dragon Age and perhaps Destiny (though this month has made me doubt its legs)
MK is around 1.2m after 5 months is it not? Smash will sell well but to outsell MK LTD in 2 weeks?
If they do both chart it'll be in the lower positions. Top 5 is already locked down.
opticalmace
Member
Could be. I am doubtful that rank #10 will be over a million though.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
You're dealing with a month with a much higher total software bar than the month MK launched in.
If Smash WiiU sells on par with the 3DS version, there's a very good chance it won't chart at all.
Are Smash WiiU and 3DS combined? If so it could very well chart higher than I expect. WiiU on its own though, no.
Even if 25% of the install base buy it in the first 2 weeks that's 850k~ (MK for comparison sold to about 30% of the install base after 6 weeks)
prag16
Banned
What? Don't confuse WW vs. NPD sales.
Both Smash and Halo will chart.
Who's doing that?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Combining the two is how I read it. If PS4/One sold on par with what they did last month, the two combined should be cresting the 9 million unit mark. By November their combined unit totals should be around 10 million units. This puts WiiU in a precarious position.
theprodigy
Member
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U (Wii U, 3DS)
....nah I don't think so
I doubt it, barring Smash pulling unexpectedly high numbers
Minecraft Xbox One Edition (PS4, XB1 ect)
It happens
(Though in this case it's just named Minecraft) but they all have their own "titles"