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Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 reviews and benchmarks
- Thread starter dr_rus
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The x80TIs are usually the harvested dies from the Gx100 series of GPUs. Or the Teslas, Quadros, then Titans. This is where the real engineering resources are focused on as they offer the greatest margins from the professional market. The Gx104 of the x80s are historically mid-range chips. That's where my assumption is coming from.
You're right about pricing though. I expect nVidia to test the market with a $1200 USD Titan. Possibly an $800 1080Ti if they get away with this Founders Edition scheme, and if there's no competition.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Yes , really.
Over and over again people kept saying (with a tone of great authority) that the 1080 was going to be below a 980ti performance wise, with a few guessing it would be above it.
Only a handful of people were saying it would be more powerful (my guess was either at 980ti level or slightly above depending on clockspeeds, as there were early rumors of nice clockspeed gains from ff+. I was expecting 1.3-1.5ghz based on the lower operating voltage for 16nmff+ ,but not frigging 1.7 and ocing to 2.1 lol).
What's worse is that most people were just speculating based on confirmation bias and not on specs or any kind of logical reasoning. Just some crap about 'these days you only get incremental 20 percent improvements every gen'
So while he may seem a bit obnoxious right now with his gloating, if you were in those old threads he has all the reason to be.
it's just a shame that the people who were so wrong despite being so confident now don't say a word about it
Even the base msrp for the 1080 is 50$ more than the 980 launched at.
It slots in the same strategic bracket but it isn't an exact equivalent.
the AIB that sell their solution for $589 will sell more than those that sell for $689
prices always go below the MSRP shortly after the products enter the market
A 1080 will not be obsolete by next year stop being dramatic
The higher end OC cards maybe. But the rest? Naw. There's a lot of competition among the third parties. I'm sure at least some of them will want to launch closer to MSRP in order to draw more customers.
holygeesus
Banned
You aren't going to be overclocking the founders edition or stock cooler version at all, judging by the temps and throttling of boost, unless you change the blower to a third party cooling system, or wait for 3rd party cards with better cooling included.
The overly expensive version with poor OC ability: May 27th
The rest: most likely sometime in June
cleveridea
Member
I'd love it if they renamed a 1080 Ti to 1080p
Of course would never happen due to people using for 1440 and 4K
Of course would never happen due to people using for 1440 and 4K
I hesitate to compare 980 to 1080 when there is a fairly large price discrepancy.
980Ti vs. 1080 would be a much more apt comparison especially considering that a 1080 is actually more expensive than a 980Ti.
ISee
Member
What?
ShogunDarius
Member
are they pivoting to make it more 'viable' to get a factory oc over doing it yourself? i'm going by that one review saying its harder to oc now
DOT DASH DOT
Member
I'm a bit confused by the upset over the benchmark comparisons compared to a 980ti!? Surely 25-30% increase on performance is good right? I know I'll be taking that for 4K over the ti.
Phawx
Member
I think the point that is being made is, "why spend $700 now, when you can spend $700 a year from now and have double digit performance improvement between 1080 and HBM2 cards."
Also, we know AMD has to compete so a $550 card with HBM2 isn't completely out of the question.
But let's just say all HBM2 high-end will be $700. If the wait is going to be one year or less and you already have a 28nm GPU, it is wise to wait.
May 27th
30% is good. It isn't good if you currently own a 980Ti. 980Ti's are going for ~$425 on eBay right now. So you are looking at $300 USD to upgrade. The $ to % doesn't make sense.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
How come though? All of these reviews are based on founders....and plenty seem to hit 200-250+ on the clock, and show 70-80 temp...?
Trogdor1123
Member
Anything on the 1070 being hinted at?
LordOcidax
Member
Wow, thanks, i was looking for this too. Looks like the difference between a reference GTX 1080 and a Custom 980ti is really small.
The distinction you're drawing here is OEM vs. the various offerings from other manufacturers, right?
holygeesus
Banned
Because they aren't being tested in a case.
Phawx
Member
An EVGA representative already confirmed they will only have Founder's Edition at launch. And every other mfr only lists FE for the 1080 series.
General Lee
Member
It'll be interesting to see when we'll see the first 599$ will actually hit, and what price will the average MSI/GB/Asus custom card end up. I think the 699$ will set a precedent for AIBs and they'll try to price theirs higher if possible.
What's worse is prices are just terrible right now, and 789 MSRP means over 800 price over here, and even a 599$ card will translate eventually to 700. That's way over my comfort line for Nvidia's second tier chip.
1070 and P10 is probably where it's at for most of us, and 980 Ti owners will probably wait for HBM2. Given the pricing of these things, I think it does make sense why AMD would go for a lower end release first.
What's worse is prices are just terrible right now, and 789 MSRP means over 800 price over here, and even a 599$ card will translate eventually to 700. That's way over my comfort line for Nvidia's second tier chip.
1070 and P10 is probably where it's at for most of us, and 980 Ti owners will probably wait for HBM2. Given the pricing of these things, I think it does make sense why AMD would go for a lower end release first.
and probably not being tested more than during a 3 minute benchmark
Dave_6
Member
Not sure what I'm going to do. Built my PC back in early '13 with a 3570K@4.4 and 8 gigs of RAM with the intention of leaving it hooked up to my plasma TV. I dropped that idea in 2014 when I bought a G1 970 and a 144hz 1080p monitor; I have loved this setup since. I'm now wanting a 1440p ultrawide G-Sync monitor and I know the 970 is going to have a hard time running most modern games with all the bells and whistles on one those monitors. As much as a 1080 looks enticing, I wonder if I need to upgrade the CPU, mobo and RAM first before jumping on another GPU.
Bony Manifesto
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But then we'd be a year away from the 1100 series, and you'd have the same predicament of whether to buy or wait. The longer you wait, the better the performance you'll get for your dollar, for sure, but if you continue to wait for future cards, you'll never end up buying anything!
DOT DASH DOT
Member
I'm sure it won't be as bad as that, that would mean it would have to hit 90 odd before it downclocked. That would be a damn awful cooler, even my OG Titan reference, could be OC'd by quite a bit with a custom fan profile.
icecold1983
Member
"Rather obscure, however, is the hardware allocation for compute and graphics. In Maxwell GPUs each SMs from the driver in the compute or graphics mode had to be added. A mixture of both, as it will allow AMD's GCN architecture is not possible. A reallocation is possible only if this all GPU is stopped briefly - that are to be avoided for reasons of performance possible. Rather obscure, however, is the hardware allocation for compute and graphics. Pascal now allows in the form of GP104 that SMs at runtime, so without the complete GPU to stop, change their mode of operation: From Compute to graphics or vice versa. Nevertheless, the SMs must edit their currently running task to the end. The interruption, ie a preemption, although can be done much more fine-grained than before, but does not seem to be unlocked or to function in the driver. Nvidia speaks of pixel-level preemption for compute and graphics, the driver reports currently still the gröbstmögliche configuration "DMA Buffer", as well as other graphics chips do it. Intel Skylake-IGP can already Triangle-level graphics preemption and pixel-level preemption for Compute. Nvidia plans to offer on-site CUDA interface later even instruction-level preemption."
from pcgameshardware review
from pcgameshardware review
holygeesus
Banned
Indeed. Again I've only really read Tom's review and it states 85c during a stress test at stock. It dips below it's base frequency during it, which is a pretty poor show really. If the card is being hobbled at stock settings you'd be nuts to buy this card instead of waiting for after-market solutions IMO. Loud, hot and under-performing under stress, and paying extra for the privilege? lol
SneakyStephan
Banned
This isn't true...
If you read the reviews several of them mention that the default fan profile is shit (as in it deliberately lets the temps skirt the throttle limit to keep noise to a minimum) and that setting a custom fan profile does a lot.
They also conclude that the limit they do reach is due to power limitations (single 8 pin and crappy power delivery on the card)
-The founders edition will oc just fine to the clockspeeds in these reviews
-It's much better to wait for an aftermarket cooler version anyhow as you'll be able to get the card with better power delivery (most importantly a 6+8 pin connectors, but obviously also a higher quality PCB) to allow for higher clocks but also because aftermarket coolers always shit all over the refernece blowers when it comes to noise and cooling performance.
that's what happens when you read tom's hardware
dr_rus
Member
This seems to be what Windows DWM is reporting, it's not the same pre-emption as in the GPU pipeline IIRC.
cleveridea
Member
So looking at die size, as would be expected from 16nm transition the area is reduced and performance greatly increased.
980 is 398 mm²
980 Ti is 601 mm²
1080 is 314 mm²
So basically the die size of the 1080 is half that of the 980 Ti which puts the "modest" performance gains versus it in context. If nVidia plan a similar monster 600 mm² high end card, imagine the performance gains possible.
As a Titan X owner, its an easy decision to wait for the bigger die Ti since there is a huge potential for performance gains.
980 is 398 mm²
980 Ti is 601 mm²
1080 is 314 mm²
So basically the die size of the 1080 is half that of the 980 Ti which puts the "modest" performance gains versus it in context. If nVidia plan a similar monster 600 mm² high end card, imagine the performance gains possible.
As a Titan X owner, its an easy decision to wait for the bigger die Ti since there is a huge potential for performance gains.
I'd just choose a line and stick to that upgrade cycle.
When I bought my 980Ti I told myself the next card I buy would be another Ti. For me jumping from Ti to Ti is worth it.
If you have the money, go for it. I just don't see the sense if you don't have the cash to jump from a 980Ti to 1080.
I hope that the 1080Ti is great (or that AMD pulls something out of their bag by then).
holygeesus
Banned
Come on now, it's hardly the only site mentioning high temperatures at stock.
would we expect performance to scale in line with the cuda cores? Seems like a fairly hefty drop compared to 2560 in the 1080? boost clock is a little lower too.
Phawx
Member
This is the first dGPU on a new node. I'm not saying to wait forever, I'm saying to wait for HBM2.
My 780 served me well. Those FPS jumps are incredible for my 144hz monitor. Guess i'll be buying one after all. Not buying the FE though. I'll wait for the AIB cards to hit with probable different power pin set ups and better cooling solutions. I don't care if they're the same price as the FE, though, if they were cheaper i wouldn't argue.
Agreed. I want to see posts being quoted. I need to see the receipts.
Because I'd to know in what universe it makes sense to sell a product that's $50 more expensive, 1 year later, and performs slower.
ISee
Member
I was on a gtx 980 + i53570k (@4.3ghz) + 16gb ddr3 2400. At the moment I'm holding on to the 980 and upgraded the rest to a 6700k + 16gb ddr4 3000. After upgrading I did some testing (mostly for me) and noticed a huge performance boost and that's with just a 980! If you're aiming to get a 1080 upgrading your 3570k is a good idea.
witcher 3 - 3570k [4.3ghz] + 980 [OC]
witcher 3 - 6700k [4.3ghz] + 980 [OC]
GTA V - 3570k [4.3ghz] + 980 [OC]
GTA V - 6700k [4.3ghz] + 980 [OC]
Just Cause 3 - 3570k [4.3ghz] + 980 (OC)
Just Cause 3 - 6700k [4.3ghz] + 980 (OC)
Just Cause 3 - 6700k [4.3ghz] without HTT, so practically close to the 6600k + 980 (OC)
Yes.
Here we go again...
Maybe not better but on par, seeing as a 1080 is 30%ish better
holygeesus
Banned
Nvidia have stated it will be.
ISee
Member
As in 'i don't belive that' or 'I can't find any 1070 benchmarks?'.
In both cases: We'll see, 1070 benchmarks aren't out yet.
if 1070 has been confirmed to have 1920 cuda cores Vs 2560 on the 1080, that's 75% the number of cores. If it has 75% of the performance then it'd be at or slightly above 980ti