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[Black_Stride]

Looks like the much rumored 4080'20G aka 4080Ti aka 4080Super is looking more and more likely.
Leakers had the chip layout before the RTX40s dropped, then at announcement we got a frikken 4080'12GB instead of a 4070, which then turned into the 4070Ti.
Man Adas launch was a frikken mess.


Now reliable leaker says the 4080'20G is coming early 2024, at the same price as the RTX4080.
Which means our hopes and prayers may be getting answered and the RTX4080 is getting a sizeable price cut.
And for ~1100 dollars we should be able to get a card the performs close to the 4090 without needing to spend 1600+ dollars.

This also gives more credence to the rumor that Nvidia is delaying Blackwell.

AMD:

 

[STARSBarry]

Honestly at this point I'd rather wait for a 5000 and see the same performance at the 5070 level at less than half the cost with whatever DLSS 4.0 feature is locked behind the number this TI can't have.

 

[sertopico]

Glad I got the 4090, it has been the best buy. I sold a kidney but hey, who needs two?!

 

[Black_Stride]

Honestly at this point I'd rather wait for a 5000 and see the same performance at the 5070 level at less than half the cost with whatever DLSS 4.0 feature is locked behind the number this TI can't have.

In two-three years I would have gotten my moneys worth from the 4080'20G and would have saved enough for the 5080 anyway.

Waiting 2-3 years for the next big thing makes little sense because you are then 2-3 years away from the next big thing.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

5090. Fuck all this inbetween shit. Haha..

 

[Dr.D00p]

4080 price cut?

Doubt it, Nvidia will simply run down inventory until it makes sense to slip in the Ti variant at the same price.

 

[Gaiff]

Wow, a card no one asked for. Menawhile, NVIDIA keeps ignoring the 200-350 segment of the market and only have one shitty option at that price point.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Wow, a card no one asked for. Menawhile, NVIDIA keeps ignoring the 200-350 segment of the market and only have one shitty option at that price point.

If the 200-350 segment were really that important or profitable, everyone would be piling in.

They aren't.

 

[Black_Stride]

Wow, a card no one asked for. Menawhile, NVIDIA keeps ignoring the 200-350 segment of the market and only have one shitty option at that price point.

Ive been asking for a 4080'20G since the chips were leaked.
It puts the 7900XTX and 4090 to shame cuz the 4080'20G at ~1100-1200 is a much much better deal than the 7900XTX at 1000 and 4090 at 1600.
Thats assuming the leaked core counts are accurate.

 

[Gaiff]

If the 200-350 segment were really that important or profitable, everyone would be piling in.

They aren't.

What?

Ive been asking for a 4080'20G since the chips were leaked.
It puts the 7900XTX and 4090 to shame cuz the 4080'20G at ~1100-1200 is a much much better deal than the 7900XTX at 1000 and 4090 at 1600.
Thats assuming the leaked core counts are accurate.

Eh, 20GB is a bonus. Not sure you'll ever really need it for gaming until 2028.

 

[Black_Stride]

Eh, 20GB is a bonus. Not sure you'll ever really need it for gaming until 2028.

While CUDA count isnt linearly related to performance, its a pretty decent measure in generation.

RTX 4090 - 16384 - 24GB - $1600
RTX 4080 - 14848 - 20GB - $1200

90% of the CUDA cores and 83% of the VRAM for 75% of the price.
Thats a much better deal than the current 4080 the 7900XTX and arguably even the 4090 itself.

 

[Gaiff]

While CUDA count isnt linearly related to performance, its a pretty decent measure in generation.

RTX 4090 - 16384 - 24GB - $1600
RTX 4080 - 14848 - 20GB - $1200

90% of the CUDA cores and 83% of the VRAM for 75% of the price.
Thats a much better deal than the current 4080 the 7900XTX and arguably even the 4090 itself.

The 4080 is a straight up bad deal and the 4090 isn't good either so getting a better deal than either isn't saying much. The 4080 dropping to $1000 or less would be more interesting than just adding a card to take its place. If the 4080 Ti does end up pushing the 4080's price down, that would be more enticing than the 4080 Ti itself.

 

[Damian black]

Ive been asking for a 4080'20G since the chips were leaked.
It puts the 7900XTX and 4090 to shame cuz the 4080'20G at ~1100-1200 is a much much better deal than the 7900XTX at 1000 and 4090 at 1600.
Thats assuming the leaked core counts are accurate.

But who says the 7900xtx wont drop in price by the time this thing comes out.

 

[Lupin3]

Looks like the much rumored 4080'20G aka 4080Ti .
Which means our hopes and prayers may be getting answered

God will answer your prayers before Nvidia.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Are there rumors on a potential 5090 performance? Still it is crazy how far ahead Nvidia right now.

 

[Kakax11]

Please make it have and SSD slot

 

[simpatico]

So the "real" 4070Ti has arrived. Anyone buying this should just pony up what must be just another $150 and get the 4090. Seems a little useless.

 

[Moses85]

Crazy… How far ahead the will be the PC against PS5 and XSX in 2024!

 

[Silver Wattle]

But who says the 7900xtx wont drop in price by the time this thing comes out.

No common sense allowed.

 

[Black_Stride]

But who says the 7900xtx wont drop in price by the time this thing comes out.

No one.
But I cant predict that future, so im basing my assumptions on current prices and rumors.

If you want to make assumptions on a theoretical price drop of the 7900XTX more power to you.

Are there rumors on a potential 5090 performance? Still it is crazy how far ahead Nvidia right now.

Blackwell is probably still 18 to 24 months away.....we wont be seeing any rumors on performance anytime soon.

Nvidia delayed releasing Blackwell because they have no competition right now, and next gen they will have even less with AMD not bothering with any highend GPUs.

We do "kinda" know how big the full 102 chip is, but we have no idea how much of the chip the 5090 is going to use:

So the "real" 4070Ti has arrived. Anyone buying this should just pony up what must be just another $150 and get the 4090. Seems a little useless.

4090 is 1600 base price.
4080Ti will be 1200.......400 dollars difference?

Not worth it while CUDA count isnt linearly related to performance, its a pretty decent measure in generation.

RTX 4090 - 16384 - 24GB - $1600
RTX 4080 - 14848 - 20GB - $1200

90% of the CUDA cores and 83% of the VRAM for 75% of the price.
Assuming the usual price drops on the not Halo products the 4080Ti would likely be gotten from closer to 1100 dollars.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Nvidia delayed releasing Blackwell because they have no competition right now, and next gen they will have even less with AMD not bothering with any highend GPUs.

Well, shame that AMD became a low performance market (and console/handhelds) as even on PC it is clear that people prefer older high end Nvidia cards. And with DLSS, even older nvidia cards will be performant for much longre time.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

4080 price cut?

Doubt it, Nvidia will simply run down inventory until it makes sense to slip in the Ti variant at the same price.

Stock wont dry up with the existence of the 4080 Ti even if they price is at $1300.

they'll have to drop the price of the 4080.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

So the "real" 4070Ti has arrived. Anyone buying this should just pony up what must be just another $150 and get the 4090. Seems a little useless.

No. These specs are definitely more in line with a 4080 Ti model. A legit 4080 would have specs that fall between the real 4080 and the Ti with a 320-bit bus

The current 4080 is more in line with a 4070 Ti and the real 4070 Ti is more in line with a 4070 and both would ideally have a 256-bit bus.

 

[Buggy Loop]

This should have been the card at $1200 and the 4080 lower priced.

How the hell you fit the 4080 Ti between 4080 and 4090 as it is now? You either just go full 4090 or the 4080 buy makes no sense (it was already a tough sell)

They have to lower 4080 price.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Stock wont dry up with the existence of the 4080 Ti even if they price is at $1300.

they'll have to drop the price of the 4080.

If they are launching a Ti early in the new year then it's almost certain they have already stopped manufacturing vanilla 4080s by now.

It was a relatively low volume product anyway, it won't take long for them to dry up st retail without a price cut.

Of course, I'd loved to be proved wrong.

 

[Black_Stride]

Well, shame that AMD became a low performance market (and console/handhelds) as even on PC it is clear that people prefer older high end Nvidia cards. And with DLSS, even older nvidia cards will be performant for much longre time.

In theory it makes sense.

AMDs highend GPU dont sell well, their midrange and under are actually value for money.
Its also the reason Intel didnt bother making a 3080 class card with their Arc A series.
And their Arc B series are likely only going to be 4070 maybe 4070Ti levels of performance instead of aiming for 4080/Ti/4090s.
They are going for the market they can actually win some sales.

The 7800XT is actually a legit good card, last gen the 6700/6750XT were well well worth the price of admission.

At the high end, i dont think theres many people who actually consider AMD a viable option.
Once you pass a certain price threshold getting an Nvidia card just starts to make more sense.

This should have been the card at $1200 and the 4080 lower priced.

How the hell you fit the 4080 Ti between 4080 and 4090 as it is now? You either just go full 4090 or the 4080 buy makes no sense (it was already a tough sell)

They have to lower 4080 price.

Yup they are def gonna do a 4080 price drop and have it compete price wise directly with the 7900XTX.
The 4080Ti will take the price point the 4080 is currently holding.

When the early leaks were happening the stack actually made sense.
Them NOT releasing the 4080'20G with teh 4090 was likely to stop what happened with the 3080 and 3090 where the 3080 was much better value than the 3090.

The theoretical 4080'20G is 90% of a 4090 if priced like a 4080 at 75% of the price.
That becomes a very tasty looking card.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Might grab this for my sim rig and keep the 4090 in my main set up.

 

[LordCBH]

Given the price of the 4080 and the 4090, just buy a 4090 is you’re waiting on a 4080ti.

 

[Spyxos]

Probably way too expensive for me. I'm either waiting for the next generation or for the current generation to become significantly cheaper.

Might grab this for my sim rig and keep the 4090 in my main set up.

Did you show your 4090 or does it only exist in your dreams?

 

[Black_Stride]

Given the price of the 4080 and the 4090, just buy a 4090 is you’re waiting on a 4080ti.

The theoretical 4080'20G is 90% of a 4090 if priced like a 4080 at 75% of the price.
It would be better value than the 4090.

 

[OverHeat]

Give me a 4090ti you coward!!!

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

If its in the same price range as current 4080 this should change the pricing across the board no?

Give me a 4090ti you coward!!!

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

NVidia really don’t have any decent competition.

Their AD102 chip and other dies launch in cut down configurations. They are so dominant, all they have to do is hang on to fully functional dies for future Ti or Super class cards. They could release a 4090Ti or Titan tomorrow with no development required. The fully unlocked AD102 has 10% - 15% more cuda cores than the 4090. With even faster memory, a fully functional AD102 based GPU could likely push frame-rates 20% higher than the already incredible 4090.

AMD strategy in the GPU space, though improved this past couple of generations is woefully inadequate. They are continually playing catch-up and have completely abandoned their sense of ambition. Tough times indeed given NVidias tendency to price gouge consumers.

 

[simpatico]

No. These specs are definitely more in line with a 4080 Ti model. A legit 4080 would have specs that fall between the real 4080 and the Ti with a 320-bit bus

The current 4080 is more in line with a 4070 Ti and the real 4070 Ti is more in line with a 4070 and both would ideally have a 256-bit bus.

The standard would have been:

4090 = 4080Ti
4080Ti = 4080
4080 = 4070Ti
4070ti = 4070
4070 = 4060Ti

 

[manfestival]

ah the usual process. The only thing is that there is a pretty big gap in performance difference between the 4080 and 4090 which will be interesting to see where nvidia devices to let this one sit.

 

[Black_Stride]

Crazy… How far ahead the will be the PC against PS5 and XSX in 2024!

2025 is gonna be a big jump for everyone.

AMD - Ryzen 8000 and X3Ds
Intel - ArrowLake-R with frikken 40 cores
Nvidia - Blackwell GPUs.
Radeon - Crying in the corner
Arc - Battlemage being near 4080 performance for pocket change.

 

[Hudo]

NVidia really don’t have any decent competition.

Their AD102 chip and other dies launch in cut down configurations. They are so dominant, all they have to do is hang on to fully functional dies for future Ti or Super class cards. They could release a 4090Ti or Titan tomorrow with no development required. The fully unlocked AD102 has 10% - 15% more cuda cores than the 4090. With even faster memory, a fully functional AD102 based GPU could likely push frame-rates 20% higher than the already incredible 4090.

AMD strategy in the GPU space, though improved this past couple of generations is woefully inadequate. They are continually playing catch-up and have completely abandoned their sense of ambition. Tough times indeed given NVidias tendency to price gouge consumers.

I still hope Intel keeps on investing in their graphics division and will attack Nvidia at the high-end segment one day. They're doing fairly well in the mid segment for the short time they're making dedicated GPUs, imho.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Crazy… How far ahead the will be the PC against PS5 and XSX in 2024!

2024 SHOULD see the Playstation close in a bit with the Pro supposedly being around a 4070

2025 will be the big year like Black_Stride said

 

[DenchDeckard]

Probably way too expensive for me. I'm either waiting for the next generation or for the current generation to become significantly cheaper.


Did you show your 4090 or does it only exist in your dreams?

I'll take pics for you and GHG when I get home

Odd flex from him in the other thread... I still don't understand it...

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Given the price of the 4080 and the 4090, just buy a 4090 is you’re waiting on a 4080ti.

Save $400 and buy the 4080 ti.

Or

Save even more and buy the 4080 after its price drops.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

In theory it makes sense.

AMDs highend GPU dont sell well, their midrange and under are actually value for money.
Its also the reason Intel didnt bother making a 3080 class card with their Arc A series.
And their Arc B series are likely only going to be 4070 maybe 4070Ti levels of performance instead of aiming for 4080/Ti/4090s.
They are going for the market they can actually win some sales.

The 7800XT is actually a legit good card, last gen the 6700/6750XT were well well worth the price of admission.

At the high end, i dont think theres many people who actually consider AMD a viable option.
Once you pass a certain price threshold getting an Nvidia card just starts to make more sense.



Yup they are def gonna do a 4080 price drop and have it compete price wise directly with the 7900XTX.
The 4080Ti will take the price point the 4080 is currently holding.

When the early leaks were happening the stack actually made sense.
Them NOT releasing the 4080'20G with teh 4090 was likely to stop what happened with the 3080 and 3090 where the 3080 was much better value than the 3090.

The theoretical 4080'20G is 90% of a 4090 if priced like a 4080 at 75% of the price.
That becomes a very tasty looking card.

Yep, it's the reason I returned my 4080 for a 4090. My 4080 cost around $1250 and after looking at the performance difference Microcenter let me return my 4080 after a month of use and decided if I was going to spend that kind of money, then might as well go all out. nvidia learned their lesson with the 3080/3090 fiasco.

Combined with a 7800X3D, for the first time in my life, I have the absolute best gaming system money can buy AND I get get pretty good power draw from it, too. A 13900K would be better in some applications, but I realized that gaming is what I do most and what I have can't be beat. A 13900K also draws drastically more power.

 

[Senua]

Yup they are def gonna do a 4080 price drop and have it compete price wise directly with the 7900XTX.

How it should've been in the first place. Even on enthusiast corners you don't hear of anyone using a 4080, it's nuts how scarce an 80 class card appears but hey they fucked themselves

 

[Hudo]

How it should've been in the first place. Even on enthusiast corners you don't hear of anyone using a 4080, it's nuts how scarce an 80 class card appears but hey they fucked themselves

Yeah, all the "enthusiasts" I know have straight up gone with the 4090, even if they had the choice between the 4080 and 4090.

 

[Black_Stride]

How it should've been in the first place. Even on enthusiast corners you don't hear of anyone using a 4080, it's nuts how scarce an 80 class card appears but hey they fucked themselves

Yeah the 4080 was bad value from day one.
All the PC builders I know IRL either got 4070Ti or 4090s.
The 4080 is sitting on the shelves cuz why?...its dumb.

When the leaks happened before the launch and I saw the 20G I was like thats the card to get, I was so sure it was gonna be called the 4080 and the 16G was gonna be the 4070Ti..........then Nvidia those assholes decided to NOT release it.

If Blackwell wasnt delayed I would have just skipped the RTX40s entirely.
But with the delay and the possibility of this 4080'20G, imma hold on to it till 2026 and build a Blackwell-Next x NovaLake machine.

DLSS will tied me through the Blackwell generation.

 

[LectureMaster]

I'm fine with my 4080. Next year is for PS5 Pro babe.

 

[Black_Stride]

I'm fine with my 4080. Next year is for PS5 Pro babe.

j/k Spend your money how you want, if you are happy thats all that matters.

 

[BennyBlanco]

i am really curious how they will price the RTX 50 series. Will the 5090 be over 2k? Will my stupid ass buy it? (Yes)

 

[LectureMaster]

j/k Spend your money how you want, if you are happy thats all that matters.

Yeah, normally 4080 is not good value, I was gonna go 4090, but I got a Z790 13700k+4080+32GB+850W build for 1660 after tax earlier, can't really complain for that.

 

[SolidQ]

Radeon - Crying in the corner

Cool story

 

[Black_Stride]

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