I assume he meant "worth playing" and not shovelware. The 3D0 also had more than 20 games, but not more than 20 anyone wanted to bother with.
I'm really curious to see how the numbers pan out for the other two systems once they're the same age. They definitely are selling better now at least, but this disparity is just mind blowing. Has Nintendo seriously misstepped THAT badly, is it reflective of the current state of the industry/economy, or a mix of both?
But it's not selling Wii Us. It's an NSP a Non Selling Point.That 'stupid fucking tablet' is the main USP of the Wii U, they can't get rid of it.
someone should compile a list of all the things Nintendo promised the wii u would be able to do.
That depends on whether or not the consumer market is already aware of the Wii U and just doesn't find it to be an appealing product.
I can see that being true at first with the initial confusion around the Wii U but after Mario 3D World not gaining traction for sale increase numbers, throwing that $50,000,000 towards more advertisements does not seem like a better alternative compared to making the console price more appealing to consumers.
But perhaps Mario Kart 8 can make a difference.
You named a half dozen games. That's not much. At all.
Also being a fan of Nintendo games shouldn't require the understanding of a companies inability to get with the times. It's dumbfounding that Pikmin, Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong TF do not have an Online functionality.
Also your list includes a tired, boring 2D sidescroller. I can't be less interested in that game. Monster Hunter is for a pretty limited audience and it's not an exclusive game to the console, either is Rayman.
So you've got about 5 first party games, outside of W101 all are sequels, some are tired and none have online support. What great software :/
It's insulting that none of these really sell the systems functionality as to why I need the screen on the controller. Also lets not forget Donkey Kong. The fucking controller does nothing, the screen is literally off.
Also Zombi U is not a good game, it was an okay launch title at best.
Stop this Nintendo fanboy BS i see on here where we list a handful of games and pretend that those interested just don't get it.
We get it, we all do. Many of us would love to Play 3D world, DKTF and Pikmin easily the best and most attractive games on the system. The problem is there has yet to be more than a few games released, very far between one another.
Beyond this problem, I still am not sold on the controller as a necessity when only one player can sue it, and it hasn't changed the experience. The problem isn't the Mainstream market. The problem is Nintendo has yet to show us why anyone would want to drop 300$ on something they won't use more than a handful of times a year during the few new releases.
You named a half dozen games. That's not much. At all.
Also being a fan of Nintendo games shouldn't require the understanding of a companies inability to get with the times. It's dumbfounding that Pikmin, Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong TF do not have an Online functionality.
Also your list includes a tired, boring 2D sidescroller. I can't be less interested in that game. Monster Hunter is for a pretty limited audience and it's not an exclusive game to the console, either is Rayman.
So you've got about 5 first party games, outside of W101 all are sequels, some are tired and none have online support. What great software :/
It's insulting that none of these really sell the systems functionality as to why I need the screen on the controller. Also lets not forget Donkey Kong. The fucking controller does nothing, the screen is literally off.
Also Zombi U is not a good game, it was an okay launch title at best.
Stop this Nintendo fanboy BS i see on here where we list a handful of games and pretend that those interested just don't get it.
We get it, we all do. Many of us would love to Play 3D world, DKTF and Pikmin easily the best and most attractive games on the system. The problem is there has yet to be more than a few games released, very far between one another.
Beyond this problem, I still am not sold on the controller as a necessity when only one player can sue it, and it hasn't changed the experience. The problem isn't the Mainstream market. The problem is Nintendo has yet to show us why anyone would want to drop 300$ on something they won't use more than a handful of times a year during the few new releases.
Well, maybe you shouldn't buy it. Or wait 2-3 years until all the games are out.
I see this on GAF a lot and it's confusing to me. If you're already complaining about your future enjoyment of a product that you don't own yet, then you probably shouldn't get it, especially when it's hundreds of dollars of an investment. Since only one game appeals to you. That way we don't end up with regretful LTTP threads.
I know the Wii U is garbage in a lot of ways. I also knew I'd enjoy it a lot. So I got one.
Not to be too critical, but I see this a lot and it's weird to me. Wii U will probably be cheap in a couple of years and there will be a better picture of the software. Maybe with more online games.
Have you played any of these games? You said you don't own the console, correct? I didn't expect to like Pikmin 3 or SM3DW that much and I was proven wrong. Numerous people swear by ZombiU. Have you played it?
As others have said, if you're not interested, don't buy it. But don't try to pass off all the games as objectively average/bad, especially if you haven't or have barely played most/all of them. That's all.
Weren't Mario Kart and Smash both released at this point for Gamecube and Wii?
I'm not going to deny that some of the titles like Pikmin can have a limited appeal, but boring 2D sidescrollers? Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is AMAZING, and I didn't even want to play it at first, I became a believer when I played the first level, what a game.
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate only has online on the Wii U and I'm surprised at how I never experience lag or any trouble, the game is fantastic and I'm still not done with it after around 200 hours of playing it.
It's great software imo, I don't really care if they are sequels as they are so good and aren't just copy paste of old games, Pikmin 3 blew my fucking mind and I thought 3D Land was going to be a poor man's Galaxy, I was so wrong.
I don't really feel like debating much, I agree that Nintendo has not shown a compelling use of the screen even if I love Off TV play and they could use some more online games(which don't matter for me but I know they do for others).
I'm not going to deny that some of the titles like Pikmin can have a limited appeal, but boring 2D sidescrollers? Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is AMAZING, and I didn't even want to play it at first, I became a believer when I played the first level, what a game.
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate only has online on the Wii U and I'm surprised at how I never experience lag or any trouble, the game is fantastic and I'm still not done with it after around 200 hours of playing it.
It's great software imo, I don't really care if they are sequels as they are so good and aren't just copy paste of old games, Pikmin 3 blew my fucking mind and I thought 3D Land was going to be a poor man's Galaxy, I was so wrong.
I don't really feel like debating much, I agree that Nintendo has not shown a compelling use of the screen even if I love Off TV play and they could use some more online games(which don't matter for me but I know they do for others).
You say you don't even own the system and yet you go on to bash all the games without really having even played them. Why does every game need to have online these days? Are people that interested in online? Most of the time I hear groaning about tacked on multiplayer games hurting the single player campaign. Have you actually played ZombiU to claim it's outright bad or are you just play gamespot scores. All because a system sells bad doesn't mean the games that are on it are outright crap.
6 million of their really diehard core base is definitely nothing to scoff at. They need to make sure those same people will always be there day one to investUh why should they hold back from moving on for a fanbase that isn't significant enough to keep the console afloat. Its time to let go.
There's no convincing much of GAF that the Wii U is a great console. There's a lot of people who work in the industry here that have monetary interests in pushing western games. Wii U is on visitor turf here and has to lose, even if Nintendo is playing another game entirely.
Hey all. I'm the dude who wrote this article. Entirely our fault on having the 2004 GameCube numbers (14.5 million) instead of the 2003 (9.5 million). Thanks for being one of the many who pointed it out. It was a stupid, dumb mistake.
However, it doesn't change the way I see things or how badly the Wii U is doing compared to the GameCube that much.
I called NSMW U boring. it's been done so many times, there is nothing compelling about that game anymore. It's very very tired.
DKCTF was almost enough to get me to buy the damn thing. if they had a bundle available with DK I would own it. I never said it was bad, I said it was one of the few games worth getting because it's great.
Look at the list I posted. There is a huge glaring software problem that you just can not ignore with the Wii U.
Why assume I have yet to play them? you're wrong.
i also did not bash on all the games. I called out the fact that two of them are not console exclusive, which matters when you only have half a dozen to rattle off after 18 months.
Second are you delirious. Yes, people are interested in Online. Where have you been?
The only game I even "bashed" was NSMW U because it's a dull tired concept that they did multiple times on 3 consoles in a short period of time. It is in no way a system seller. It's a quick game they could pump out because they had so little software to show for the system to begin with.
Stop killing the Wii U GAF!
I hate to break it to you, but the NES/Famicom had WAY better games than the ZX Spectrum did.
I assume he meant "worth playing" and not shovelware. The 3D0 also had more than 20 games, but not more than 20 anyone wanted to bother with.
There's no convincing much of GAF that the Wii U is a great console. There's a lot of people who work in the industry here that have monetary interests in pushing western games. Wii U is on visitor turf here and has to lose, even if Nintendo is playing another game entirely.
6 million of their really diehard core base is definitely nothing to scoff at. They need to make sure those same people will always be there day one to invest
There's no convincing much of GAF that the Wii U is a great console. There's a lot of people who work in the industry here that have monetary interests in pushing western games. Wii U is on visitor turf here and has to lose, even if Nintendo is playing another game entirely.
A lot of people are overly negative about the Wii U and can't seem to grasp that it has a decent stable of exclusive compelling software, with more to come. But on the other hand there are people who shout to the heavens about how amazing the system is but don't really acknowledge the very real issues the system has like a lack of third party support, a controversial controller, a questionable value proposition and the very real possibility of the machine dying prematurely.
It's also a matter of opinion. For some people the Gamepad is the best controller ever made, and the system is a haven for platformers. But for others the software isn't exciting. It is natural to have variances of opinion, and some people surely do have their heads in the sand... but implying there is some sort of conspiratorial anti-Wii U agenda being pushed here is a bit rich for my tastes.
So the Gamecube was 9.55 million and the WiiU is 5-6 million?
The difference is not that big anyway I still think the Wii U will at least equal the Gamecube sales, not like that's a big achievement...
Why does Nintendo even bother with this console?
I expect their next console by 2017, it's going to be pretty interesting, I'm really excited about the Nintendo OS they want to share between their next handheld and console.
So the Gamecube was 9.55 million and the WiiU is 5-6 million?
The difference is not that big, anyway I still think the Wii U will at least equal the Gamecube sales, not like that's a big achievement...
I initially looked at the list and thought it was unfair. The Gamecube's Mar. 03 data, vs U 2014? That's not nearly as long for the W- Wow, it makes me realize how long the Wii U has been out. The library is building up slowly, but it's ridiculous how long it's taking. I love some of the games, but I wish the poor little box could get some more support.
You'd be silly to think those 6m diehard fans wouldn't buy their next console no matter when it's released. I know a handful of people that bought the Wii U at launch just because it was a Nintendo console and they wanted HD Zelda, Smash, and MK. Every single one of them has traded the system in by now because those games haven't surfaced and the third party support is non-existant.
I didn't say there was a conspiracy. There's just people who post here who make money on videogames, and because it's an english forum, there's expected to be a majority of western interests here. There is nothing wrong with that and there is no conspiracy.
Wii U was very front-loaded on the back of the Wii, it has flatlined since.
GC sold 5 million in the next year, Wii U will just fall further behind. It's very unlikely to reach 20 million, especially as they can't match the price cuts the GC had.
I think you are looking at 12-15 LTD, which is a complete disaster for Nintendo.
Why does Nintendo even bother with this console?
3rd Year on the Market (1st three months)
Nintendo 64 (January 1998 - March 1998)
0.53 million
GameCube (January 2003 - March 2003)
0.41 million
Wii (January 2008 - March 2008)
1.43 million
Wii U (January 2014 - March 2014)
0.20 million
While the Wii U is doing terribly, keep in mind that the GC managed to sell 5m that year despite hitting 0.41m in 3 months.
I didn't say there was a conspiracy. There's just people who post here who make money on videogames, and because it's an english forum, there's expected to be a majority of western interests here. There is nothing wrong with that and there is no conspiracy.
the 5 million figure is WW, Aquamarine's numbers are NPD
Yes, you are talking conspiracy nonsense.
I'm fucking glad it's selling so poorly. Nintendo deserves to be punished.
We, the consumers, spoke with our wallets, and we finally released the industry hand-break that Nintendo imposed over the years with their shitty overpriced and outdated hardware.
I'm glad they are going straight to hell. Finally, the whole industry won't be held back by Nintendo's presence. Finally, videogames will achieve what we are all wanting from years ago; the "art" status.
We fucking did it bros. Let's keep the threads rolling, we can keep the sales low enough for the WiiU to die.
Edit: JK, I love Nintendo
6 million of their really diehard core base is definitely nothing to scoff at. They need to make sure those same people will always be there day one to invest
It's a shame really, Nintendo is in a league all their own at a software level.
3rd Year on the Market (1st three months)
Nintendo 64 (January 1998 - March 1998)
0.53 million
GameCube (January 2003 - March 2003)
0.41 million
Wii (January 2008 - March 2008)
1.43 million
Wii U (January 2014 - March 2014)
0.20 million
While the Wii U is doing terribly, keep in mind that the GC managed to sell 5m that year despite hitting 0.41m in 3 months.
The system has decent titles now, too. The library is arguably better than what the PS4 and Xbox One can currently offer, especially with MK8 releasing next month.
I wonder if Nintendo is going to continue going all in with the Wii U, or if they're already redirecting resources and potential projects to their next console.