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OECD Obesity Update: Almost 39% of American Adults over age 15 now classified obese
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R10Neymarfan
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No it's the same meal but done so it can be eaten in different days. Meal prepping can solve the fast food dilemma by having you cook tons of meals all day for one day then store in the fridge or freezer till you want to eat. Just re heat and you have a nutritious meal that good for your health and wallet because eating out does pile up over time despite those $1-$5 deals out there.
Well at least certainly take away the time management and convenience excuse some used in this topic. It does require some planning
Hmm I'll have to try this sometime bookmarked for future reference since I've been eating like the same meals for the past month on this cut. This seems simple enough for a little variety since I hate tracking complex meals lol.
This is like old people saying "when I was a kid I walked 3 miles to school and back everyday". Eh, yes grandpa because you didn't have a choise. Of course you pull wrenches when you HAVE to if that's your job.
I think I read somewhere that mixing Sugar and certains kinds of fat create a really strong response in your body and can certainly lead to an addiction.
hobblygobbly
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More people should be educated on Italian cuisine and how to make it.
A lot of core ingredients are cheap and easily accessible, but best of all learning how to cook many Italian recipes is very accessible in itself. Italian food is all about the simplicity of the dish, it's the core philosophy. It's also very quick to prepare most dishes, even quicker if you like it al dente.
Making a tomato spaghetti is so simple for example, slice up some tomatoes, onions, add to pan. Cook it to your consistency, I like it a bit chunky, add some garlic if you like, basil, salt/pepper and other spices to your taste. Serve with spaghetti.
You can also make a varied version with two boiled eggs (or some people cook the egg in the pasta itself, break it in, cover with a lid for the steam to do its magic). You can also make a varied version with maybe some sliced meat of your choice. I don't really like the combo with chicken, but some people do, so you can slice up a chicken breast and cook it in the pasta.
It takes me about ~30-35 minutes to do the above dishes for example, a little more if I do something like chicken.
A lot of core ingredients are cheap and easily accessible, but best of all learning how to cook many Italian recipes is very accessible in itself. Italian food is all about the simplicity of the dish, it's the core philosophy. It's also very quick to prepare most dishes, even quicker if you like it al dente.
Making a tomato spaghetti is so simple for example, slice up some tomatoes, onions, add to pan. Cook it to your consistency, I like it a bit chunky, add some garlic if you like, basil, salt/pepper and other spices to your taste. Serve with spaghetti.
You can also make a varied version with two boiled eggs (or some people cook the egg in the pasta itself, break it in, cover with a lid for the steam to do its magic). You can also make a varied version with maybe some sliced meat of your choice. I don't really like the combo with chicken, but some people do, so you can slice up a chicken breast and cook it in the pasta.
It takes me about ~30-35 minutes to do the above dishes for example, a little more if I do something like chicken.
Some fast food chains have one but they are very very rare. You want Coke? You gotta order coke. You want more coke? You better pay up.
johancruijff
Banned
of course we have that here lol
or at least a coke line in draft system
i thought it was a fountain in the streets pumping out soda
Why not? We banned candy commercials aimed at kids in the Netherlands.
CornBurrito
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I mean that's how meal prep normally goes but Sean specifically said "a snack, lunch, and dinner for tomorrow"
entremet
Member
They're not eating pasta with creamy cheese sauces every meal.God damn Italians. Got the best food And aren't fat?
The common Italian foods are very simple and not the restaurant varieties.
Vicetrailia
Member
I guess I will try Italian cuisine.
I'm in good shape but could stand to eat better and more cheaply. Plus my wife needs help.
I'm in good shape but could stand to eat better and more cheaply. Plus my wife needs help.
Nordic4tKnight
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Isn't there a huge difference in Italian cuisines in the north vs the south of the country?
God damn Italians. Got the best food And aren't fat?
lol this has to be the most Italian gif possible.
Not to mention the ingredients are all probably locally grown, locally purchased, and will be handmade food, very little to no preservatives, chemicals, added sugars, fats, sodium, artificial flavors etc. Even the portion sizes will be smaller. It is just a completely different culture in terms of cuisine, cooking and lifestyle.
But it isn't all rosy for the Italians. Creeping EU food culture and habits and a shift away from the Italian/Mediterranean diet has caused Italy to have a ton of obese children. The next generation of Italians will have eating habits and diets similar to those in the UK etc.
It is why Canada and Mexico are rising so much because they are being influenced by US food culture, fast food, convenience and snacks and treats etc.
TheExecutive
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They regulate everything else and tax everything else up the arse. Should have a fat tax to go with the sin tax. 20% tax on any meal over 1,000 calories. That will teach em!
TheExecutive
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Agreed about the key differences here but you can still force the food industry into some corners here. No way a meal should have 1500 calories in it.
Hephaestus
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What? Thats the fucking point! People were thinner exactly because they didn't have a choice. Them society started taking the physical out of labor and surprise surprise now you`re fat.
Hephaestus
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So you plan on banning people from ordering a appetizer before the meal and dessert after?
The fact is until science finds away to make kale taste like cheese cake, and boiled broccoli taste like a bacon double cheeseburger people are going to keep getting fatter.
BobTheFork
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That sounds like an important potential fact you should be more certain about the truth of.
Hephaestus
Member
It is true...its called flavor.
But for some reason people are now describing taste, flavor or anything that people really enjoy as "addictive"
Palette Swap
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That's some weird defeatism. The point is that there are huge disparities across the OECD, while every country in there has to deal with an increasingly sedentary population. It's not like countries below that median have poor tasting food either.
Obesity is on an upward trend worldwide but exploring the differences between country that spectacularly fail like the US and countries that somehow resist is key to fighting it off.
entremet
Member
Eh, incorrect.
Food is deliberately being made addictive and has been for a bit.
Google "Sugar, Salt, Fat"
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...ry-manipulates-taste-buds-with-salt-sugar-fat
This is far from a chef's deft touch with flavor.
CadetMahoney
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God damn Italians. Got the best food And aren't fat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYiteaPBlz0&feature=youtu.be&t=9m39s
Lunarwhale
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Part of the issue too is that healthy food is almost seen as a luxury here. Whether accurate or not, a lot of Americans fall into the mindset that healthy=expensive, and that $4 for a cheap burger is a better investment than $4 for veggies (about what I spend on a couple crowns of broccoli, bag of carrots, and a set of green onions, which when mixed with pasta gives an easy couple of meals for myself and my girlfriend).
The other part of it is the factor of time being a premium among our rapidly growing lower class. The extra 5 minutes on your drive home to stop by a fast food place vs the 20-25 it takes to make a basic meal is significant to many people who have to work obscene hours of the week. Paired with the fact that the fast food is more guaranteed to fill you up (and the American diet is all about stuffing yourself past that "pleasantly full" point), it comes across as a more attractive option to a lot of people.
This is all to say nothing about companies like Starbucks basically selling milkshakes as "coffee drinks" and similar sneaky tactics to get you to think you're eating something healthy or negligible, but that goes into a whole other issue.
The other part of it is the factor of time being a premium among our rapidly growing lower class. The extra 5 minutes on your drive home to stop by a fast food place vs the 20-25 it takes to make a basic meal is significant to many people who have to work obscene hours of the week. Paired with the fact that the fast food is more guaranteed to fill you up (and the American diet is all about stuffing yourself past that "pleasantly full" point), it comes across as a more attractive option to a lot of people.
This is all to say nothing about companies like Starbucks basically selling milkshakes as "coffee drinks" and similar sneaky tactics to get you to think you're eating something healthy or negligible, but that goes into a whole other issue.
Hephaestus
Member
If obesity is on a upward trend worldwide, then no country has resisted it. The US just has a lead in the fat race.
As well as things become more automated we are all heading to a Wall-E existence you can t fight it because thats what the majority of people want.
The "food industry" could just as easily be replaced with "how cooks manipulate taste buds with ingredients"
"Employing scientists to dissect elements of the palate and tweak ratios of salt, sugar and fat to optimize taste, the processed food industry, Moss says, has hooked consumers on their products the same way the cigarette industry hooked smokers on nicotine"
So instead of scientists if a company hired a large groups of chiefs to tweak their food is it no longer addictive?
Ok, maybe my reading comprehension is of key but you quoted the following with your anecdote:
"As entremet said, being fat is a recent development on a macro scale. Do you think 2.5 times the amount of people in 2017 are lazy compared to the mid-1970s? If so, what made people not lazy in the 1970s?"
You made it sound like people actually were less lazy back in the 70s which I objected to. Sry if I read it wrong.
No. It's just not just flavor. Food addiction exists (no, I'm not comparing it to drugs and alcohol) due to added fat, salt and sugar. I don't know the exakt english word for it but basically it's extremely rewarding for the brain (belöningssystem på engelska?)
Palette Swap
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Okay, let's do nothing because in the history of the world, that has always worked really well. I mean, the US having 10 times more obesity than Japan is meaningless.
Hephaestus
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Sorry yes, I was trying to get the people in the 70 were just as lazy or at least wanted to be as lazy if not even more so then we currently are. But because of how life was you had no choice but to be physically active all day.
Its not accidental that political comics of the times showed the rich, bankers, politicians as fat not just as a metaphor for gluttony but because those are also all office jobs.
Maybe I just dislike the term "addictive" then. Anything someone finds pleasurable or brings happiness, joy what ever is addictive, I just find it odd that any activity people enjoy doing is labeled "addictive"
entremet
Member
You're majoring in the minors.
It's not like people are enjoying gourmet meals. They're eating shit like instant ramen, doritos, shitty dollar cheeseburgers, sugar water, and so on.
I mean, I enjoy some of those things as a treat. Potato chips are my weakness.
ryutaro's mama
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Hahahahahahahaha
TheOctodad
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Growing up in the deep south, I believe it. Being overweight was largely considered "normal" weight and being morbidly obese was "fat."
Moved to Minnesota (one of the healthiest states) and I was shocked at how much healthier everyone is. There are still obese people here, but it's not nearly as shocking.
Moved to Minnesota (one of the healthiest states) and I was shocked at how much healthier everyone is. There are still obese people here, but it's not nearly as shocking.
JimmyRustler
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Kinda shocking that this get worse all the time despite so much coverage on the topic.
Of course addiction is broad term and not necessarily something negative. Everything you enjoy can be addictive such as books, videogames, series etc but when you cant't control a certain behaviour even though you know it's bad for you it becomes a problem.
And if that thing that makes you temporarily "happy" (rewarding the brain etc) can be found in every corner of the street, in every department store and shop it makes it unbelievably hard to resist.
You are absolutley correct. The norm is changing and now people having a hard time "recognising" if somebody is overweight or not.
For example: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/07/news/la-heb-obese-toddlers-mothers-20120507
The article is about a study were thay investigated if mothers could tell if their children were overweight or not.
From the abstract of the study
- Nearly 70% of mothers were inaccurate in assessing their toddlers body size
- 81.7% of mothers of overweight toddlers were satisfied with their toddlers body size.
- Mothers of overweight toddlers had inaccurate perceptions of their toddlers body size and were highly satisfied, suggesting a view of heavy toddlers as normative.
One more example of this is a norwegian study where it actually shows why BMI shouln't be used on individuals, but not because of muscle mass but the lack of it:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22089480
The girl in the picture has a BMI of 22 but 36% bodyfat which makes her fat.
I know it's controversial but remember it has nothing to do with personal taste in looks and body references.
People will just order two smaller portions to avoid it, then. You can't regulate people out of a shitty diet unless you go into full totalitarian mode.
Beer Monkey
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Are we really that much more sedentary than in the 1970s? Or are we just eating more?
I start gaining over 1 lb of body fat per week if I increase my calories by 800 per day.
I start gaining over 1 lb of body fat per week if I increase my calories by 800 per day.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Define "restaurants". Are you talking franchises? Because forcing an independent restaurant to have caloric counts is insane, and not even the cause of the obesity epidemic.
Cheap shit food is what's making people fat. Eating bags of chips and 2 liter sodas for dinner every single day is making people fat.
Typical American food culture seems completely ridiculous from what I've been able to perceive. (never been there), but I don't mean to disparage the US or something.
Just googled typical American breakfasts and out of curiosity I googled Belgian breakfasts (country I live in) to see if it would be an accurate representation with what I think the average Belgian eats.
I was quite baffled to see plenty of Belgian waffles (even pictures of waffles with bacon) because almost no one eats that for breakfast here (of course I see there are American fast food chains offering that as breakfast). A typical Belgian breakfast would be bread with cheese, jelly or Nutella. A tub of yoghurt, maybe a piece of fruit, apple/pear or banana. The other option would be cereal with milk. Maybe an omelette or hard boiled egg on certain occassions. And danish pastry, croissants etc as well, but that's more on special occassions.
I'm not an expert in Italian food/culture or something so I'm 100% sure, but I would say:
Smaller serving sizes, and also I think the typical Italian pasta dish, the pasta is typically the only source of significant source of concentrated calories (there might be olive oil, cheese or cream though, but not in big amounts), so a pasta dish doesn't contain that much calories overall. Pasta dishes don't have tons of fatty meat to them, but rather a vegetable-based sauce, pesto, or seafood like clams/vongole so overall that's not really a very high calorie plate of food (especially minestrone), especially in comparison with an average American plate of food.
So of course pasta can absolutely be a part of healthy dishes and thus of a healthy diet. The idea that "carbs make you fat" or "all foods that contain carbohydrates are unhealthy" is nonsense. If you can only think about pancakes, doughnuts, bagels, American-style bread (white), mac 'n' cheese, breakfast cereals, cookies, sweets, soda etc when you think 'foods that contain carbohydrates', then I guess that's true of course..
Just googled typical American breakfasts and out of curiosity I googled Belgian breakfasts (country I live in) to see if it would be an accurate representation with what I think the average Belgian eats.
I was quite baffled to see plenty of Belgian waffles (even pictures of waffles with bacon) because almost no one eats that for breakfast here (of course I see there are American fast food chains offering that as breakfast). A typical Belgian breakfast would be bread with cheese, jelly or Nutella. A tub of yoghurt, maybe a piece of fruit, apple/pear or banana. The other option would be cereal with milk. Maybe an omelette or hard boiled egg on certain occassions. And danish pastry, croissants etc as well, but that's more on special occassions.
I'm not an expert in Italian food/culture or something so I'm 100% sure, but I would say:
Smaller serving sizes, and also I think the typical Italian pasta dish, the pasta is typically the only source of significant source of concentrated calories (there might be olive oil, cheese or cream though, but not in big amounts), so a pasta dish doesn't contain that much calories overall. Pasta dishes don't have tons of fatty meat to them, but rather a vegetable-based sauce, pesto, or seafood like clams/vongole so overall that's not really a very high calorie plate of food (especially minestrone), especially in comparison with an average American plate of food.
So of course pasta can absolutely be a part of healthy dishes and thus of a healthy diet. The idea that "carbs make you fat" or "all foods that contain carbohydrates are unhealthy" is nonsense. If you can only think about pancakes, doughnuts, bagels, American-style bread (white), mac 'n' cheese, breakfast cereals, cookies, sweets, soda etc when you think 'foods that contain carbohydrates', then I guess that's true of course..
Fast Forward
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They already do that at most fast food chains here in Northern CA.
People don't care.
They went want their hamburger.
Beer Monkey
Member
Cold cereal and milk is actually the most common breakfast in America. Well, actually the most common breakfast is not eating breakfast at all. I only eat it on Sundays.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/PollVault/story?id=762685
Yeah, that's not surprising that's very common here as well.
What I mean was surprising was all the pictures of waffles when googling for "Belgian breakfast" specfically, because that is not a breakfast item at all here. That's more of a snack, especially when going out.
Beer Monkey
Member
I eat Belgian (Liège) waffles with fried chicken and hot sauce. It's amazing. People in Belgium would fucking hate it, and I feel sorry for them.
DasPenguin
Member
I didn't even know the situation is that bad. I really don't see it when I go outside. A lot more people seem to be exercising compared to like 15 years ago.
Beer Monkey
Member
Exercise is far less important than diet. Hell, if I do a lot of cardio it takes my appetite through the roof!
We really need to teach CICO and calorie counting in grade school.
Helensmith
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I'm surprised that Australia is so high - I thought they led healthier lifestyles, being more outdoorsy and sporty?
DasPenguin
Member
Well, yeah. Maybe i said it wrong: I see a lot more skinny or athletic people exercising than ever before. Our school foods are definitely not to blame for this one.
I'm not near being overweight, I'm actually in pretty good shape, but this is exactly me.
And I feel like one day I might have issues with my weight because of it.
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