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Official Feb. 12th Primary Thread (Obama/McCain Beltway SWEEP SWEEP)

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Deus Ex Machina

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New york Obama votes were not counted..

In the 94th Election District in Harlem’s 70th Assembly District. Yet according to the unofficial results from the New York Democratic primary last week, not a single vote in the district was cast for Senator Barack Obama.

That anomaly was not unique. In fact, a review by The New York Times of the unofficial results reported on primary night found about 80 election districts among the city’s 6,106 where Mr. Obama supposedly did not receive even one vote, including cases where he ran a respectable race in a nearby district.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
 
Smiles and Cries

Smiles and Cries

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mosaic said:
Whoops... always good to know the full scope of history before you put up a flag of a noted revolutionary *grin*

I wonder what'd happen is someone put up a swastika flag in his HQ... "Even the KKK supports Barack -- he's a true uniter!"
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sure it was a silly idea to put a CHE flag up but media is running it as OBAMA = CHE is kinda stupid
 
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syllogism

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Clinton campaign intends to take this all the way to the convention if necessary. Not exactly sounding confident-

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/16/671358.aspx

Ickes, a DNC member and superdelegate himself, said the campaign expects Clinton to "hold her own" in Wisconsin, to win Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Pennsylvania and to have come close to closing the delegate gap with Obama by March 5th. He said by the end of the process on June 7th, when Puerto Rico votes, she would be "neck and neck" with Obama and would wrap up the nomination soon after. Ickes said the nomination would be settled "before we get to the floor" of the convention but that the campaign would take this fight all the way to Denver.
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e: McCain's Sharp Tongue: An Achilles heel?, heh
 
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Manmademan

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syllogism said:
Ickes, a DNC member and superdelegate himself, said the campaign expects Clinton to "hold her own" in Wisconsin, to win Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Pennsylvania
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:lol :lol :lol :lol

Clinton would have to take ALL of those by substantial margins to have a shot, and I don't see this happening. Obama is racking up endorsements like mad in Texas, and is Campaigning HARD in Wisconsin at the moment.

PA is going to be impossible. Forget what the polls tell you. If you can't carry Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, or Harrisburg (and she can't) then you're finished.
 
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Zeed

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syllogism said:
Clinton campaign intends to take this all the way to the convention if necessary
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If it becomes clear that she will not win the pledged delegate count, Pelosi, Gore, Edwards, and others are probably going to step in. Hillary might be willing to destroy the party in a civil war, but they're not.

Loudninja said:
Rur0ni or Zeed, mak the new topic happen!
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Good call.
 
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v1cious

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Hootie said:
Just wondering, but when the hell are we going to get a Wisconsin/Hawaii primary topic?
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i vote we just make this the official presidential primary thread. having more than one is confusing people.
 
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Rur0ni

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Hootie said:
Just wondering, but when the hell are we going to get a Wisconsin/Hawaii primary topic?
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Well, I didn't want the new thread to get 20 pages long before the actual date. I was considering posting it tomorrow. :p

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I'll post it today if it's what the people want ;)

numble said:
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Cheebs

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Why are they still doing national numbers when like 30 states voted? I wish they would just poll the 20ish states left for the "national" number so we can see how its going.
 
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grandjedi6

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Former Vice President Al Gore and a number of other senior Democrats plan to remain neutral for now in the presidential race in part to keep open the option to broker a peaceful resolution to what they fear could be a bitterly divided convention, party officials and aides said Friday.

Democratic Party officials said that in the past week Mr. Gore and other leading Democrats had held private talks as worry mounted that the close race between Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton could be decided by a group of 795 party insiders known as superdelegates.

The signs that party elders are weighing whether and how to intervene reflects the extraordinary nature of the contest now and the concern among some Democrats that they not risk an internal battle that could harm the party in the general election.

But they also provided an early glimpse at the complex set of tradeoffs facing party leaders, from their desire to make their own influence felt to their worries about offending the candidates and particular constituencies — not to mention the long, sometimes troubled relationship between Mr. Gore and the Clintons.

The issues party leaders are grappling with, they said, include how to avoid the perception of a back-room deal that thwarts the will of millions of voters who have cast ballots in primaries and caucuses. That perception could cripple the eventual Democratic nominee’s chances of winning the presidency in November, they said.

A number of senior Democrats, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi and three candidates who have dropped out of the 2008 race, former Senator John Edwards and Senators Christopher J. Dodd and Joseph R. Biden Jr., have spoken with Mr. Gore in recent days. None have endorsed a candidate, although Ms. Pelosi made comments on Friday that were widely seen as supportive of Mr. Obama when it came to the process the party should use to make its choice of candidate.

“It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided,” Ms. Pelosi said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. Ms. Pelosi said she intended to remain neutral, though some of her closest friends and allies in the House are publicly supporting Mr. Obama.

She said the nomination should not be decided by delegates from Florida and Michigan allocated on the basis of voting in primaries there last month, as the Clinton campaign has proposed. Mrs. Clinton got more votes in both places, although neither candidate actively campaigned there and Mr. Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan. The party had penalized those states for holding their primaries earlier than the party wanted by stripping them of their delegates to the convention.

“We can’t ignore the rules which everyone else played by,” Ms. Pelosi said.

Few figures are being more closely watched by Democratic insiders than Mr. Gore, the Nobel Peace Prize winner who associates say has been lobbied hard for an endorsement by allies of Mrs. Clinton and of Mr. Obama.

Although it is not clear what role their past may play in his decision, Mr. Gore and the Clintons have a complicated, sometimes intense history, and Mr. Obama’s strength in the presidential race could make it even more complicated.

Some of Mr. Gore’s allies have complained bitterly that Mr. Clinton concentrated more on Mrs. Clinton’s Senate run in 2000 than on getting Mr. Gore elected president. For his part, Mr. Clinton was surprised and hurt that Mr. Gore did not enlist him on the campaign trail in the final weeks of the presidential campaign.

Although Mr. Gore has expressed concerns to some associates about the damage a brokered convention could cause, several associates said he was hopeful that one candidate would soon break through, sparing the party such an outcome. He told a close friend recently that his decision not to endorse “feels like the right thing” and that he remained optimistic the race “is going to tip at some point,” the friend said.

Another close ally of Mr. Gore’s, however, said: “He recognizes the need for a few party elders to stay on the sidelines to ensure, if needed, that the process is fair and honest. It could very likely take a group of senior party people, including Gore, to settle this, but the only way they can settle it is if they stay on the sidelines now.”

Kalee Kreider, communications director for Mr. Gore, said that he “has no present plans to endorse a candidate,” though she added, “He has not ruled out that possibility prior to the convention.” Ms. Kreider declined to discuss Mr. Gore’s private conversations with party leaders.

But four close associates of Mr. Gore’s said senior party officials had actively consulted him for his advice about what the superdelegates should do if neither Mr. Obama nor Mrs. Clinton amassed the 2,025 delegates necessary to win the nomination after the final Democratic caucus in Puerto Rico on June 7.

Party leaders described Mr. Gore as a potentially crucial mediator because the putative head of the party — and the man who chose him as his vice president — Bill Clinton, is hardly a neutral observer when it comes to his wife’s candidacy.

“Because President Clinton is very involved on one side, there is an opening for him to be a more neutral force and an honest broker,” said a close associate of Mr. Gore’s, who like most of the associates spoke only on the condition of anonymity. “He’s probably the only unaligned person with the kind of stature to step in to that role and have a real impact on this.”

Several allies said that because of Mr. Gore’s bruising defeat in 2000 presidential voting in Florida, he would have the credibility with Democrats to carry the message that the will of the people should be respected.

Both the Clinton and Obama campaigns are aggressively lobbying the superdelegates, a battle that received new attention after Representative John Lewis of Georgia, who had endorsed Mrs. Clinton, said late Thursday that he would cast his superdelegate ballot for Mr. Obama if the battle for the nomination went to the convention.

The Clinton camp has Mr. Clinton making frequent calls, and Mr. Obama’s surrogates are pushing for superdelegates from states where he won primaries or caucuses to pledge their support to him.

But there was no sign of any wholesale shift in support toward Mr. Obama on Friday. Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, the Democratic whip and highest-ranking African-American in Congress, said he intended to remain neutral and let the primaries play out even though Mr. Obama won overwhelmingly in his district and state.

“If I were to only reflect my state, then that may not be good enough for a national candidate,” Mr. Clyburn said. “So I think we ought to use our collective judgment to do what is in the best interests of our party.”

But the role that the superdelegates should play between now and the convention is at the heart of a raging debate. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, which is trailing in the delegate count, has taken the position that superdelegates should be free to choose the best-qualified candidate. Mr. Obama’s campaign has said that the superdelegates should be bound by the voters’ will.

Several senior officials cautioned that the party elders had not yet determined whether superdelegates should be urged to cast their votes for the candidate who has the most delegates, or the one who won their state or Congressional district, or the winner of the popular vote. Because Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton might lead in different categories, the question is a vital one.

At a private dinner that Mr. Edwards, a former senator, held at his home last Saturday for a dozen close friends, he said he had spoken recently with Mr. Gore about the benefits of neutrality, someone who was at the dinner said. Although a number of his supporters had been urging him to endorse Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton has actively sought his backing, Mr. Edwards said he intended to remain on the fence for the time being, the person said.

A senior associate of Mr. Gore’s said that surrogates for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama had tried to lock up the former vice president’s endorsement. But he has steadfastly refused to even hint at which candidate he might favor.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/u...&hp&adxnnlx=1203191975-xSt3FpYRaLqR bOfgWqOFg

So there probaby won't be anymore major endorsements anymore since everyone will be staying neutral to help Gore
 
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Zeed

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Rur0ni said:
Well, I didn't want the new thread to get 20 pages long before the actual date. I was considering posting it tomorrow. :p

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I'll post it today if it's what the people want ;)
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DO IT.

I've been thirsting for a fresh topic - and you would do a much better job than me anyways.

Rur0ni said:
Do I still have to include the Republicans? :p
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No I think everyone can agree that race is over.
 
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Manmademan

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syllogism said:
Hillary cancelled her WI rally and is leaving the state a day early
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probably due to the loss of momentum in texas. Wisconsin is essentially small potatoes for her. If she doesn't take texas AND ohio both by substantial margins on march 4th, then her campaign is finished.
 
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sangreal

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syllogism said:
Hillary cancelled her WI rally and is leaving the state a day early
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Great news; she does this every time she thinks she will lose

The polls showing a close race must be off

Add WI to the insignificant/holy column
 
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Rur0ni

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Final Result Update 2/16/08:

Democrats:

District of Columbia:
Obama 75% 85,534
Clinton 24% 27,326
98% Reporting
+51 spread

Maryland:
Obama 60% 464,474
Clinton 37% 285,440
97% Reporting
+23 spread

Virginia:
Obama 64% 623,141
Clinton 35% 347,252
99% Reporting
+29 spread


Thoughts

Bombdroppen? Clinton was crushed in Virginia where she campaigned. Obama won the Latino vote, White vote, fairy vote, just about every vote except the white lady vote, and lost that by a small margin. DC, complete destruction. I did expect better of Maryland though, compared to Virginia. Lefty redeemed.

Republicans

District of Columbia:
McCain 68% 3,929
Huckabee 17% 961
Paul 08% 471
Romney 06% 350
98% Reporting

Maryland:
McCain 55% 163,677
Huckabee 29% 86,573
Romney 07% 18,728
Paul 06% 17,865
97% Reporting

Virginia:
McCain 50% 244,135
Huckabee 41% 198,247
Paul 04% 22,066
Romney 04% 17,532
99% Reporting

Thoughts

McCain has it wrapped up.

Other Thoughts

Obama got more votes than the Republican side combined. Virginia becomes Blue state in general?

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