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On the fence about buying a PS Vita? Just get a PSP.

finalhour

Member
am i the only one that likes the psp face buttons better than vita?

the size is just right.

No, you're not the only one. I like the bigger buttons, actually prefer holding the PSP over the Vita, it just seems to fit better in my hands. I really noticed it when I first got my Vita. I actually jumped back and forth between it and my PSP while playing Trails in the Sky because I wasn't sure which system I preferred...but the Vita (specifically it's OLED) won out in the end. The game just looked so much better, and I've since grown used to the controls.

Also to chime in on the rest of the discussion, the Vita OS is a also nice thing to have. I liked the XMB on the PSP, but being able to multi-task between games and apps is something that I really like, especially for RPGs. It's great to jump over to a FAQ right on the Vita while playing.
 

Famassu

Member
Because Square Enix hates money.
Uh... noez? It's because they are unsure if they can even make any money that they are hesitant of bringing some of these games over. Recent Dragon Quest games apart from IX sold badly on devices that were at a better position than 3DS atm, so they are perfectly reasonable in doubting whether DQVII localization is a worthy investment.

Why no text only translation for FF Type 0 with a DD only release? A bunch of smaller companies make a stable living localizing titles with a fraction of FF's name cache.
Because FF is too big a series for a DD only release and believe it or not there are quite a lot of people who don't want to play games with Japanese dubs. Smaller companies can survive off of smaller sales becase some company like XSeed has, like, what, FIVE employees. Square Enix needs games to sell bigger simply because they are a bigger company and they need bigger sales just for day-to-day operations. That's a sad fact for big publishers, but there's nothing they can do about it.

Besides, they'd probably rather release Type-0 properly (retail + digital, English dubs + perhaps German, French, Italian etc. subs) at some point in the future (maybe a 3DS and/or Vita port down the road) than botch it by making it available only to a very limited number of gamers on a platform that is rampant with piracy.

Why is even a DD localization of DQ7 3DS in doubt? I mean, they have a U.S. script translation and everything from the PS1 title. Maybe the U.S. doesn't get a nice redone script like FFT's PSP release and the other DQ remakes but we'd still get it.
Because DQ remakes & spin-offs sold like shit on a platform with, like, 4 times the install base of 3DS. Again, Square Enix doesn't want to to DD only releases for such big releases and I'm guessing they know a lot better how they can expect DD games to perform than you do on platforms such as 3DS. That severely limits their audience. And also, because localization is about so much more than just translating text. Square Enix really doesn't half-ass their localizations. If they are going to do it, they aren't going to use a horrible botch-job of a translation from the past.

Why does Nintendo have to publish Bravely Default outside of Japan? How does Nintendo see worth there when SE doesn't with their own product?
Nintendo sees it as an investment for the future (it makes 3DS more desireable for a lot of people, which could benefit them in the future, even if it's not crazy profitable), whereas Square Enix's 3DS games somewhat underperformed, so they can't be sure that something like Bravely Default would do well enough to be profitable enough..

The presumption that SE is ran with even the slightest bit of common sense is the biggest collective mistake JRPG fans make. It's ran by halfwits who make decisions with a dart board and a blindfold. You would have far better luck letting a kindergarten class collectively run the company.
Yeah, you are ignorant of a lot of stuff so I'd really not comment on at least these decisions if I were you. If they saw some guaranteed profit in Bravely Default instead of a potential bomba of Wonderful 101's proportions, they would have brought it over over six months ago. But the situation for JRPGs simply isn't that rosy nowadays.


God I cannot disagree more with this recommendation. It is such a slow, ugly, clunky game with one of the worst battle UI's I have ever seen. I got maybe two hours into it before quitting out of sheer boredom.
The game takes a long while to get going, but it has charming characters and the slow build-up is definitely worth it by the end of the game. It's almost George R. R. Martin levels of good, in a sense that it really pays off to follow through the slow world/character/story-building parts to get to some of the awesome parts later on.

And there's nothing wrong with the battle UI. It's not the most exciting battle system ever but it works. TitS is really not a game you abandon after only two hours of gameplay, but it's your loss, really, for being so impatient and not appreciating a slower pace.
 

Kelegacy

XBOX - RECORD ME LOVING DOWN MY WOMAN GOOD
Man, I need to get a Vita. I have a Go and its just too small. But even though I have plus I can't justify new console purchases and a Vita in the same season!

Plus, memory cards. Had they used SD cards I would already be set. But nooooooo.
 

Azriell

Member
I love my PSP Go and take it to work with me every day, but I don't think I would recommend it over a Vita to anyone except for someone with a tiny budget (I got my Go for $50 at gamestop, refurbished). I found the PSP library to be underwhelming overall, with only a dozen or so games I really enjoyed. Most of those can be enjoyed on a Vita, and they look better on the Vita. Both can access a lot of PS1 games, which is probably the biggest selling point to me for either PS handheld right now. But then Vita has the bonus of getting a small selection of really great games, invaluable PS+ support, and the promise of whatever the future holds.

Buying a PSP over a Vita now seems silly, especially when you're just going to want a Vita sometime in the future anyways.
 
I take issue with this. Most PSP games are on PSN, and then there are Vita games available on the Vita (obviously). It seems like pretty much an upgrade.

Yeah, definitely subjective. I have about 20 or so PSP games, and only play and enjoy about 10 of them. I don't keep many on hand. Strictly Vita I have nearly 50 that I really like and play, or played and thoroughly enjoyed. I'm waiting on a good dozen or so games I know I'll love.

I could have easily gone on a PSP rpg binge when I got mine, but beyond FFIV Complete, Gungnir, Unchained Blades, Tactics Ogre, Cladun/x2, & 3rd Birthday... I wasn't interested in much else after watching a lot of CGR video reviews. I did pick up Disgaea, because I love that game... but it was a hefty file & Disgaea 3 filled it's void. P3P... really disappointed me. I just want FES or Blue-something-or-other now. P4G let me forget the $30 I paid for P3P before it went on sale three days later. Barely touched Ys7... I'll save my playtime for Memories of Celceta. I'd like to pick up Class of Heroes 2 sometime.

I'd probably have more love for the PSP library if I'd had a PSP all these years. My favorites (outside of those rpg/adventures) are Metal Slug Anthology & XX, Shock Troopers, Dracula X Chronicles, Peacewalker & Puzzle Quest. I'd love a proper Vita release of the PC/PSN Puzzle Quest. The PSP one is gimpy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQZlXWU0aO0
 

ss_lemonade

Member
a PSPGO is $80 new, 16gb built in, with Dualshock 3 support. the Vita is a downgrade, wait for V2000 before jumping in.
Vita still has a way better screen and hasn't it been proven that some psp games run better on the vita?

I just wish it were possible to force 32bit color on psp games. That I think would have made a tremendous difference.
 

jj16802

Member
Didn't Sony at one point convert Japanese PSP UMD games for Vita? I remember this feature not making it to the U.S.... or am I going crazy?
 

Metalmarc

Member
Them noticeable jaggies on that crisp vita screen though ugh, Gran Turismo Looks awful on the vita
More acceptable on a dull screen

Maybe i just got a odd collection of psp games but i dont think all of these are on the UK psn store
So im quite happy with my psp 3000 at the moment

Nhl 07
FF crisis core
Kingdom Hearts
Worms Openwarfare 2
Parapa the Rappa
Justice League Heros
Flatout
Burnout Legends
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1
Silent Hill Origins
Tiger Woods 10
Street Fighter Alpha max
Tekken Dark Ressurection
Tony Hawks Project 8
Wwe 2011
Dissidia 012
Midway arcade classics the one with mortal kombat 1-3
Dave Mirra BMX
Shaun White Snowboarding
 

BigDug13

Member
Didn't Sony at one point convert Japanese PSP UMD games for Vita? I remember this feature not making it to the U.S.... or am I going crazy?

Yeah this existed, though I don't think it was converted into a free digital game, I think they just got a discount or something. But that didn't last long and no, it never made it to the US.
 

Rashid

Banned
Nope, just get a Vita and wait for the inevitable hack to play ripped ISOs. I eagerly anticipate it, I'm not getting another PSP just to play Crisis core in good quality with good controls. Man I love Crisis Core. Best final fantasy since XII.
 

DSix

Banned
What it comes down to is FF7 CC & KH BBS vs P4G & Ys Celceta.

Pretty much. You'll have to chose between 2 great SE games or the whole Vita library. The choice is not as easy as it might seem, since KH BBS is so damn good. But the Vita is more future proof and still plays all of the other games fine.

It's a hard choice, I wish SE would pull their fingers out their asses and bring these games to PSN already.
 

wyrdwad

XSEED Localization Specialist
I may have missed it, but all you "bad move, buy a Vita" people seem to be forgetting one thing:

TV OUT.

The PSP's biggest selling point over the Vita right now (aside from the lighter weight and more comfortable contour of the 2000 and 3000 models) is the fact that you can output the thing to a television. At least, it is for me.

When I'm playing games at home, I hate playing on a handheld system. It just feels like a waste to sit on my couch in front of a nice, big TV... and be looking at a screen a foot away from my face instead. To this day, I still think built-in TV out is one of the PSP's crowning features, and is easily the one addition I want to see on modern handhelds, above anything else. I don't care how it impacts touchscreen gameplay -- just give me my 3DS and Vita games on my television, dagnabbit! Even if it's just the top screen of the 3DS, that's fine -- I'll take it!

So, yeah... Vita can play most PSP games, and they look better... but the one thing it can't do is play them on a television. And as far as I'm concerned, that alone makes the OP's advice worth considering.

Also:

No one should buy a PS4, they should buy a PS1. I mean, there are a lot of PS1 games still not available digitally (especially in Europe).

I get what you're trying to say here, but what you may not realize is that all PS2s and PS3s can play physical PS1 games. Yes, even though support for physical PS2 games was phased out of PS3s over time, support for physical PS1 games is still present and accounted for.

Probably won't apply to PS4, but still... makes the PS2 and PS3 even better than they already were, for sure!

-Tom
 

Takao

Banned
I may have missed it, but all you "bad move, buy a Vita" people seem to be forgetting one thing:

TV OUT.

The PSP's biggest selling point over the Vita right now (aside from the lighter weight and more comfortable contour of the 2000 and 3000 models) is the fact that you can output the thing to a television. At least, it is for me.

When I'm playing games at home, I hate playing on a handheld system. It just feels like a waste to sit on my couch in front of a nice, big TV... and be looking at a screen a foot away from my face instead. To this day, I still think built-in TV out is one of the PSP's crowning features, and is easily the one addition I want to see on modern handhelds, above anything else. I don't care how it impacts touchscreen gameplay -- just give me my 3DS and Vita games on my television, dagnabbit! Even if it's just the top screen of the 3DS, that's fine -- I'll take it!

So, yeah... Vita can play most PSP games, and they look better... but the one thing it can't do is play them on a television. And as far as I'm concerned, that alone makes the OP's advice worth considering.

-Tom

don't you guys have a devkit

and if you're lush in cash you can buy the hardware mod from Japan, although I think that just displays to PC
 

zewone

Member
Wait....really....(drool)....next question, does it destroy my ability to use it as normal?

Sort of. You wouldn't have access to PSN once Sony updates the firmware until there is an exploit on the new firmware.

Otherwise, no, it functions the same.

It also allows you to play the PSP games not available though PSN, such as Crisis Core and Kingdom Hearts.
 

CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
The Japanese arm of Square is one of the worst-run companies in the industry.

Well there's no doubt about that, this generation has just been awful to watch after a great PS1/2 era. I just thought there might be a proper reason why they are ignoring money or they are just being useless with the title.
 

coopolon

Member
The vita is basically the perfect PSP to me. Much better screen and much MUCH more comfortable to play. Second analogue stick, etc.

I have a PSP, and I hate using it. May have to to play FFT patched though.
 

olimpia84

Member
As an owner of both a PSP 3000 and a Vita I can confirm the OP is wrong. People on the fence should make an extra effort and get the much superior Vita.
 
After the Vita price drop, I was seriously considering buying one, but then had difficulty finding more than one or two games I would want to buy immediately for the handheld.

But after looking at the PSP game library (and somewhat inspired by this Tri-Ace memorial thread, I found a lot of quality titles available for the platform, many of which are still UMD-only (especially looking at you, Crisis Core), and could be had for less than $20 each.

Disclosure, I had a PSP several years ago but traded it in, along with all of my games.

So I decided to buy a PSP-300 for $100 and stocked up on 11 titles for around $140 total:

  • FFVII: Crisis Core
  • Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep
  • Lunar
  • Patapon 2
  • Persona
  • Persona 2
  • Riviera
  • Star Ocean First Departure
  • Star Ocean Second Evolution
  • Tales of the World
  • Valkyrie Profile Lenneth

That's $240 for a handheld with a great library of games, along with access to the PSN catalog (and all the PSOne titles I've already purchased for the PS3). I would have spent $200 for the Vita and another $60 on a memory card, with maybe a pack-in game and a couple of PS+ titles, and would have already overspent what I did on the PSP.

Maybe the PS4 will change the conversation for the Vita, but right now Sony has another handheld still on store shelves that's a much better value proposition.

You can literally say this about every console with a successor
 

Zoc

Member
Disagree with OP. Not everyone is a fan of jrpgs, you know. I have about a dozen titles for my Vita, and the only PSP game I have is Crush. I have an actual PSP, too, and never bought even a single game for it after Lumines, which I only used to crack it and install emulators.
 

XOMTOR

Member
The only good thing about OP getting a PSP is Crisis Core.

No, my UMD imports of the Macross games say otherwise; they're not available digitally on any PSN. I'm sure there are other great games besides just Crisis Core and KH:BBS which aren't available on Vita.

The PSP emulator in the Vita has all the shortcomings the PSP GO had before CFW and unlike the GO, it's not really portable. It's not a system I'd ever leave the house with and unfortunately doesn't have video out nor does it sync with a DS3 like the GO does.
 
I disagree with the OP as well. Vita is the way to go. I've had the PSP Slim, the 3DS XL, and the Vita. The Vita's build quality is in a league of its own.
 

BigDug13

Member
I just got my ass kicked playing some Killzone Beta for the first time. Then i played some Dynasty Warriors, then some Retro City Rampage. No, sorry, PSP is not the way to go.
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
Grief.exe said:
Does it just upscale the games? Or do they increase the rendering resolution?
No resolution increase - but you do get 50% faster CPU emulation(FPS and load times increases), better controls, true-blacks, and NO freaking ghosting.

PSP only valid advantage is custom-firmware exploits, but if your only purpose of Vita is PSP library you could keep it on older FW and use PSP CFW as well.

The Seks said:
FW DESTROYS the PSP2. Easily. Rip your games and your load-time complaint is gone.
Not quite - while difference is not as big - digital games still load faster on Vita than they do on PSP because the emulator is faster.
 
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