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Paramount removes Terminator from its schedule.
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spookyfish
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Perfect.
Die Hard 5 and Terminator Gensysysysys ruined him so hard he doesn't even get listed on the Suicide Squad poster.
That's their loss and judging by the trailer it seems like he will be the best part of the movie.
Stallion Dan
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T2 was not needed and undone the entire point of T1.
advancing technology because you found part of a future robot is a cool idea though
ViewtifulJC
Banned
George Miller finished Fury Road at 70.
Ridley Scott..... The Martian, Alien Covenant....
I could see Cameron doing one more if he has a good enough story to tell! Though that's probably not likely.
Genisys wasn't nearly as horrible as I expected when I finally saw it. But they just can't get a good writer for this shit. Priority seems to be one liners and nostalgia instead of crafting a good story with good problems for the characters to solve.
The underlying elements are still good: future terminators trying to maintain their survival, using time travel when necessary. And humans fighting back, with the help of a rogue terminator. Just give me a good story dammit, and good terminators with new abilities. T1000 was the best idea and it's just been lame shot ever since
The underlying elements are still good: future terminators trying to maintain their survival, using time travel when necessary. And humans fighting back, with the help of a rogue terminator. Just give me a good story dammit, and good terminators with new abilities. T1000 was the best idea and it's just been lame shot ever since
I kid, because I honestly have come to love the original more, but I still think T2 is brilliant and continues the themes and issues the original brought up perfectly. The story of the first led wonderfully into the story of the second (much in thanks to the whole cast returning and Cameron, smartly, having Sarah discussing the uncertainty of the future at the end of the first film and, again, doing so at the end of the second).
The arc of Sarah alone makes it worthwhile, from a damsel to a strong woman to someone who, like the machine that came back to help her son, learns to have emotion again and feel something human. The future machine takes away from her in the first film, but gives back in the second. I found that wonderfully poetic.
It begins and ends with her, which is why none of the sequels work. Producers and writers want to hang their hat on John or Kyle or The Terminator itself, but it really boils down to Sarah's story and with that pretty much concluded (killing her off screen...f'n stupid) there's nowhere else for this franchise to go.
Lone_Prodigy
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How they handled
Derek Reese's death was ahead of its time. Headshot, no time to even collect the body.
um, no.
CloudyTuba
Member
Genesys was horrible. Between it and Jurassic World, I felt like someone was going out of their way to turn my favorite franchises into parodies. Besides TFA, 2015 was a bad movie year for me.
This is good news.
This is good news.
I enjoyed Genisys even though it was kind of all over the place. I am a big terminator fan so it is a little disappointing that the story won't continue because there were some questions in the first movie that would have been addressed in the sequels. Cannot say I am shocked after seeing the box office results.
Extra Sauce
Member
Sure but more due to lack of interest than age.
George Miller is 70 and wants to do two more Mad Max movies.
"Find out what NOT to do inside"
Liamario
Banned
Perfect.
If Cameron isn't interested, neither am I.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
If we're being honest, I'm quite happy it's done too.
Terminator ended with Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Terminator and its sequel are two of the greatest films ever made and will always be. Nothing after those two matters.
The Terminator (1984) Theme
Liquidsnake
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dragonyeuw
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T2's hook was that after failing to kill Sarah in T1, the next obvious move is to go after John directly( and reversing Arnold's role from antagonist to protagonist). There's nothing wrong with telling a story about the machines taking a second crack at completing their mission upon failing the first time. You'd expect that. But T1 at the end left a loophole for a follow-up, namely the crushed Terminator parts and specifically the CPU that could be salvaged. At the end of T2, the final remaining piece of the equation sacrificed himself specifically to avoid the open door left in T1. That is the sole reason for Arnold in T2 to off himself. Narratively the story ended there, quite satisfactorily, with the open road scene signally hope for a future that had been freed from the possibility of a nuclear holocaust. That is until they decided to say 'fuck that'', judgement day was bound to happen' regardless of what was done in T2. T3 had no reason to exist based on how T2's story and specifically how it ended.
Of course the whole thing is a causality loop, but if you want to go from that angle T1 didn't need to be told if Kyle Reese hadn't gone back in time to impregnate Sarah in the first place.
brandonh83
Banned
lol this seems almost intentionally insulting.
Dash_Riprock
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Genysis was so bad it actually made Salvation look good (which ironically made 3 look like a masterpiece).
I didn't think that was even possible.
I didn't think that was even possible.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
All they ever needed to do was hire better filmmakers to handle this shit but they kept fucking it up. The truth is though, I really don't care about this property anymore anyways. I've been good with 1 and 2.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Genesys was so bad, no one knows how to spell it. The first 10 minutes of the movie could've been a YouTube short film, and it would've made them millions from the views, with fans cumming about how amazing the whole film would've been.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
good thing they stopped when they did. The next one was likely to give everybody cancer.
I cant say I am surprised. Genisys was such a convoluted piece of trash. It was hilarious.
Lets ask James Cameron about Genisys: https://youtu.be/7LqgdNVTcRA
Lets ask James Cameron about Genisys: https://youtu.be/7LqgdNVTcRA
DontBeThatGuy
Member
good thing they stopped when they did. The next one was likely to give everybody cancer.
I like this chart because it understands that the first Terminator is the best Terminator.
dragonyeuw
Member
But it suggests that T2 is as much a drop in quality from T1 as T3 is from T2, and Salvation is from T3, and so on. I waver between T1 and T2 in terms of which is better, but I'd say they're at least on an even field in terms of quality and entertainment. T3 onwards is just complete shit by comparison.
AuthenticM
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Was Genesys really that bad? And by bad, I mean unenjoyable. One of my friends saw it; he said it was very dumb but that it also had cool action scenes. He said he'd give it 3/5.
That's gotta be a log scale.
dragonyeuw
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I got a nostalgic tickle when
they recreated the opening T1 scene, even up to the T-1000 and Reese in the clothing store
DontBeThatGuy
Member
I used to waver but the older I got, the more T1's tone, atmosphere, grit, and leaness won me way over. It also meant I liked John Conner, and some of that corny ass dialogue less and less.
Violence Jack
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Plot holes aplenty, but I found it entertaining at least. Arnold was the best thing from it by far. 3/5 sounds about right.
good thing they stopped when they did. The next one was likely to give everybody cancer.
FTFY
(edit: terminator 1 and 2 are supposed to be on the same level. T3 onwards is like a bowling ball going off a cliff)
dragonyeuw
Member
FTFY
Pretty much.
Damn right, though I don't think T3 is a downright awful movie like Salvation and Genisys.
DiipuSurotu
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Terminator 2: Battle Across Time is obviously not canon but it's still better than anything after T2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM0EZTwE9fM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM0EZTwE9fM
I like how the Endoskeleton Terminator clearly uses RoboCop sound effects
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Reboot Baywatch Nights and introduce a new Terminator in that series.
Ben Morales
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That was insane. I loved that they had the balls to do that.
SchrodingerC
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He ain't doing shit until his blue catpeople sequels are finished, even though he'll most likely retire by then.
The interesting thing to me, which is never touched on anywhere mind, is that one Judgement Day becomes inevitable trying to prevent it becomes an awful idea. If all they can do is delay it then all you do by fighting back is making sure that John has to fight the war older and more scarred than in the original timeline.
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