Big Papa Husker
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Guess I will be skipping a new console for the first time in a long time.
Youll have things like Zelda or Horizon Zero Dawn thatll come out, and theyll do really well, but they dont have the same impact that they used to have,
There MP games also didn't make a huge impact numbers wise. It is just that you can whale hunt with those titles, so the revenue is stable or up. It's a smart move I hate.
Phil Spencer is right about single player games. There isn't as large of an audience if you're making mediocre games. One thing Sony and other third party publishers have shown is that if you make a great single player game, there is still quite the audience and they're very appreciative. It's a big commitment, because Sony has also put out a bunch of mediocre ones to get there. I don't blame them for being a bit apprehensive about making such games.
Nah, Im not supporting mediocrity. You said it yourself they were solid. Millions and millions of people don't go and buy the same game because it's "solid" it needs to be exceptional, and outside of Sunset Overdrive, not a lot of SP stuff from MS has been exceptional IMO. It's a tough nut to crack for sure, but it can be done.Outside of Ryse, the other single player games they've published this generation have been solid, but weren't big hits comparable to Uncharted, Horizon, or Zelda. They didn't make a huge impact, so of course he's gonna say something like that.
I want more single player games from them like everyone else, but we gotta go out and buy those games too.
Seems to be working well for Ubisoft.Every publisher now chasing that Destiny money like it's the new WoW. I'm sure that'll go really well this time.
You'll get nuts and bolts 2 and like it
What's even funnier they are talking about the new Zelda... which sold more copies then Switches sold. No, no impact at all beyond driving Switch sales to sell every single piece of hardware Nintendo managed to produce.
Nah, Im not supporting mediocrity. You said it yourself they were solid. Millions and millions of people don't go and buy the same game because it's "solid" it needs to be exceptional, and outside of Sunset Overdrive, not a lot of SP stuff from MS has been exceptional IMO. It's a tough nut to crack for sure, but it can be done.
Aye if u like it go nuts lolSeems to be working well for Ubisoft.
Is that a bad thing? lol
Didn't they say this in 2015?
Not exactly bursting at the seams in 1st party content.
That Zelda/Horizon Zero Dawn comment is troubling.
Nah, Im not supporting mediocrity. You said it yourself they were solid. Millions and millions of people don't go and buy the same game because it's "solid" it needs to be exceptional, and outside of Sunset Overdrive, not a lot of SP stuff from MS has been exceptional IMO. It's a tough nut to crack for sure, but it can be done.
The audience for those big story-driven games... I wont say it isnt as large, but theyre not as consistent. Youll have things like Zelda or Horizon Zero Dawn thatll come out, and theyll do really well, but they dont have the same impact that they used to have, because the big service-based games are capturing such a large amount of the audience. Sonys first-party studios do a lot of these games, and theyre good at them, but outside of that, its difficult theyre become more rare; its a difficult business decision for those teams, youre fighting into more headwind."
That's the thing tho, they look at the sales and think "Well shit, people don't want these single player games from us, better pelt them with more MP focused service games".
But I agree, if they upped their game and pumped out single player games that were comparable to Uncharted or Zelda, then more people would notice. Judging from his comments, that won't be the case.
The king of talk has nothing on the true king.PHIL DA REAL MVP!
Lets see if Phil the chosen one can back that up at this year's E3.
PC doesn't give me the convenience of turning on and playing games instantly. People still want a dedicated gaming machine.
”The audience for those big story-driven games... I won't say it isn't as large, but they're not as consistent. You'll have things like Zelda or Horizon Zero Dawn that'll come out, and they'll do really well, but they don't have the same impact that they used to have,
Guess I will be skipping a new console for the first time in a long time.
The king of talk has nothing on the true king.
But seriously give my Xbox something new please, it hasn't been touched since gears 4 and the next time I will is for my copy of Logan on 4k in a few weeks.
What's even funnier they are talking about the new Zelda... which sold more copies then Switches sold. No, no impact at all beyond driving Switch sales to sell every single piece of hardware Nintendo managed to produce.
He said, "There are systems for those who want big budget SP games. They're called the PS4 and Nintendo Switch."
Wow, very troubling indeed.
That's what I'm hearing as well. You like single player, get yourself a PS4 or Switch.
Not good enough, Phil. Just not good enough.
Well, there is also stuff like cosmetics and what not that aren't nearly as risky as DLC/expansions. I think that risk is there no matter what route you go. GaaS still brings risk too. As such, why not just go for it? We have examples of those SP type games working.Absolutely I agree with you but there is risk to that especially if it is a new IP. DLC and expansions would need to be planned out and work started before the game even comes out so if the game doesn't sell as well as anticipated then you've just lost even more money as well as time for the studio to move onto a different title.
It just seems that MS is making decisions that take the least amount of risk with a focus on making games profitable not just on initial sales alone but on services (DLC, loot boxes, etc.)
Well that pretty much cements Xbox's future with Phil deflating expectations to gamers that big budgeted open world single player games are not going to appear in a MS console anytime soon. I feel sorry for Xbox fans that want more first party offerings. Seems MS is going to just ride the Minecraft hype or pour more money into the XBL. Nintendo seems to have stolen their thunder on Scorpio abit and now rhey're downplaying Sony's first party studios, Yikes.
So basically it's more "service based" games and forget about SP.
Weve got to understand that if we enjoy those games, the business opportunity has to be there for them. I love story-based games. I just finished [LucasArts-inspired RPG] Thimbleweed Park I thought it was a fantastic game. Inside was probably my game of last year. As an industry, I want to make sure both narrative-driven single-player games and service-based games have the opportunity to succeed. I think thats critical for us.
He said, "There are systems for those who want big budget SP games. They're called the PS4 and Nintendo Switch."
Wow, very troubling indeed.
I personally agree with Phil on the topic of single-player games. While I really enjoy games like Zelda, Mario, Horizon, and The Last of Us they don't exactly keep me coming back to a given platform. A game like Zelda is something I might re-play every year or so, but in between I'm generally playing something like Halo or Overwatch on a regular basis.
Sony realized pretty early this gen that their in-house studios are best at narrative-driven games. It's why PS4 relies so heavily on marketing deals for third party service-based games. All in all they struck a really good balance.
Microsoft needs someone to develop single-player experiences that will help fill out their library. As it stands they're pitting their own service-based titles against third party offerings and people feel its all too similar. I don't believe that 343 or the Coalition will magically turn into Naughty Dog, but they could let new and existing teams splinter off into smaller projects.
Wait what pretty sure I just press one button on my pc and I just start a game to play. You don't have to tinker with mods or anything else if you don't want to. Not saying people don't want dedicated gaming machines. I have all the consoles and handhelds. It's also kind of ironic because going by Phil's statements it seems they are moving away from the dedicated console platform and more and more like a pc.
What's even funnier they are talking about the new Zelda... which sold more copies then Switches sold. No, no impact at all beyond driving Switch sales to sell every single piece of hardware Nintendo managed to produce.
Well that pretty much cements Xbox's future with Phil deflating expectations to gamers that big budgeted open world single player games are not going to appear in a MS console anytime soon. I feel sorry for Xbox fans that want more first party offerings. Seems MS is going to just ride the Minecraft hype or pour more money into the XBL. Nintendo seems to have stolen their thunder on Scorpio abit and now rhey're downplaying Sony's first party studios, Yikes.