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"Police Easily Startled" Warning Signs Appear in Twin Cities

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Ponn

Banned
How do I identify these "good cops"?

Once I can identify a "good cop" from a "bad cop" how do I request to only interact with the good one?
 
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Lois_Lane

Member
J-Rzez said:
Yeah, that mentality is ok for you? So what if it goes the other way?
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I mean it already does for black people so its just quid pro quo. Raising my brother to intrinsically trust cops isn't going to protect him from some racist fuckwad of a cop. So I'll teach my brother to fear cops and hope the fear keeps him from becoming the next Tamir Rice.
 
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AdventureRacing

Member
J-Rzez said:
Yeah, that mentality is ok for you? So what if it goes the other way?
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Yes. Its funny that you can't see the irony of allowing yourself with similar 'not all' movements. You're argument is so similar to the 'all lives matter' and similar other similar defenders.

As a white man I don't argue against the BLM movement because i can see the truth in it. As a white man when it's implied that I'm supremely privileged compared to the rest of the population I don't argue against that. These aren't necessarily attacks on all white people, they're a statement of fact and something we should be actively trying to correct.

Likewise when someone states that racism and generally callous horrible acts are rife in the police department supposed good cops should agree. You should be trying to stamp these things out and look for solutions.

Instead after we have incidents like the most recent murder at the hands of a cop we have people like you coming in stating bullshit like 'not all cops'. The irony is in doing so you're only adding more fuel to the fire by protecting the supposed bad apples you claim barely exist. You may not be a bad cop but you're certainly enabling them and giving ordinary people more reason to doubt the credibility of good cops.
 
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J-Rzez

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Merc_ said:
Lmao at "what if".

Like you guys don't already do that. Who do you think you're kidding with this shit?
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Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
 
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Armaros

Member
J-Rzez said:
Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
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I'm sure people like Eric garner will take your advice to heart.
 
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FUME5

Member
J-Rzez said:
Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
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Wow.
 
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Lowmelody

Member
J-Rzez said:
Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
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It's all in your head, black ppls.

You're gaslighting the fuck out this place.
 
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AdventureRacing

Member
J-Rzez said:
Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
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It's not a stereo type. Right now the police force has a serious systemic issue with racism and with cops being too trigger happy. That statement doesn't imply ALL cops have that problem. However when you have a situation where the police force and its unions actively cover up these issues and the supposed good cops say nothing than naturally people will view the police force unfavourably.
 
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Plumbob

Member
J-Rzez said:
Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
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To fight against stereotypes you have to stay alive first.
 
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Merc_

Member
J-Rzez said:
Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
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Us black people don't really have a choice in the matter since our lives are on the line when we interact with police. I don't expect you to understand that though as I expect empathy for others is something you have to lack in order to be in your position in the first place.
 
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Messofanego

Banned
J-Rzez said:
Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
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Are you white? Cause this level of ignorance of how police treat minorities is baffling. I'm guessing you've never been stopped by authorities because of how you look. It's not a mindset, it's a reality.
 
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PsychBat!

Banned
J-Rzez said:
Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
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theWB27

Member
Messofanego said:
Are you white? Cause this level of ignorance of how police treat minorities is baffling. I'm guessing you've never been stopped by authorities because of how you look. It's not a mindset, it's a reality.
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Regardless of his ethnicity...he's proving why we distrust cops. On a forum they can't even agree that there's a problem. On a forum they refuse to see anything outside of a cops pov. So hilarious their posts prove why there is so much distrust against law enforcement in America.

Everyone of their posts are a joke because they've sidestepped any conversation involving real world statistics.
 
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J-Rzez

Member
FUME5 said:
Wow.
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So after the insinuations you lobbied, youre shocked when someone throws a different view than you? If youre living in fear, you shouldn't, because its not the case for the majority. You don't think the attitude in here doesn't impact people who do the right thing? Youre adding fuel to the fires claimed if you look at it.
 
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Plumbob

Member
J-Rzez said:
So after the insinuations you lobbied, youre shocked when someone throws a different view than you? If youre living in fear, you shouldn't, because its not the case for the majority. You don't think the attitude in here doesn't impact people who do the right thing? Youre adding fuel to the fires claimed if you look at it.
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Only takes one scared cop to kill you
 
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PsychBat!

Banned
J-Rzez said:
So after the insinuations you lobbied, youre shocked when someone throws a different view than you? If youre living in fear, you shouldn't, because its not the case for the majority. You don't think the attitude in here doesn't impact people who do the right thing? Youre adding fuel to the fires claimed if you look at it.
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Oh HE'S adding fuel to the fire? Not you? Are you absolutely sure?
 
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hydragonwarrior

Member
antonz said:
The Murder of a Cop by a Vietnam Veteran in Georgia caught on dashcam in particular is shown as an example where an officer hesitating in a situation cost him his life so don't be that cop is drilled into them.
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That kind of teaching should be banned. If there was zero room for the officer to react, then likely even with quick reflexes he would have been injured or killed anyway (and on top of that, the only way to get said quick reflexes is to practice that situation repeatedly). If anything, they should be taught quick reflexes in different ways that don't require firing a gun.
 
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FUME5

Member
J-Rzez said:
So after the insinuations you lobbied, youre shocked when someone throws a different view than you? If youre living in fear, you shouldn't, because its not the case for the majority. You don't think the attitude in here doesn't impact people who do the right thing? Youre adding fuel to the fires claimed if you look at it.
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That's not shock, that's me being incredibly unshocked that you would double down after coming into a thread like this with the attitude that there are no systemic issues within police forces around the world.

I don't live in fear, but even as a middle class white Australian male I've had more than my fair share of run ins with corrupt and/or incompetent cops. They've lied in court over some really dumb shit trying to fuck me over for example.

The last time I "needed" them after a friend and I were assaulted in the street they didn't even bother to attend. Nevermind the fact they didn't get out and look for 8-10 dudes beating the shit out of people for no reason, because they didn't file any sort of incident report my friend was stuck with all the medical bills as a result of the assault.

As for my attitude "impacting" the cops who do the right thing? If you got outside of your little cop buddy circle you'll find that where the middle class used to be on the cops side, almost everyone I know has a story about cops either being dirty as fuck or just really, really shit at their job.

Am I out here saying fuck all cops? No. But if you are trying to tell me that all cops should be treated with respect because they are all righteous and honorable individuals then, well, you can get fucked.
 
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J-Rzez

Member
theWB27 said:
Regardless of his ethnicity...he's proving why we distrust cops. On a forum they can't even agree that there's a problem. On a forum they refuse to see anything outside of a cops pov. So hilarious their posts prove why there is so much distrust against law enforcement in America.

Everyone of their posts are a joke because they've sidestepped any conversation involving real world statistics.
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All I'm saying is that IA is a real thing, departments are terrified for their jobs/reputation. If you think nothing is done of this stuff, youre delusional at best.
 
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Ekai

Member
bootsthecat said:
Yes, let's make it a hip thing to insult the million+ US officers that actually do the right thing. That'll show 'em.

On topic, it's a good jab at an area that has clearly had more than their fair share of policing issues, too bad the public works folks will be the poor bastards that will have to work to take them down, lucky them.
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As a minority, I don't want to have to deal with the biggest organized gang in America. And I'm not even the minority they target most violently/often.
 
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dallow_bg

nods at old men
J-Rzez said:
All I'm saying is that IA is a real thing, departments are terrified for their jobs/reputation. If you think nothing is done of this stuff, youre delusional at best.
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That's why all these bad cops in the news I see are being convicted right?
 
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Merc_

Member
J-Rzez said:
All I'm saying is that IA is a real thing, departments are terrified for their jobs/reputation. If you think nothing is done of this stuff, youre delusional at best.
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Yeah, something is being done alright. They're getting nice paid vacations and then walking away free after committing murder.
 
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Ekai

Member
dallow_bg said:
That's why all these bad cops in the news I see are being convicted right?
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Nah, just paid vacation. Which we all know is worse than being convicted for cops. How dare they get temporary paid leave for viciously killing an innocent minority! *throws up in mouth after typing that*
 
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ShironRedshift

Member
J-Rzez said:
Even though its not the case, you keep living in that mindset as true you're going to have a stressful life ahead of you if you think all cops are out for you.

To fight against stereotypes, you have to not have any yourself.
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Just stereotypes, eh? Then what do you have to say to this:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/just...ngs-investigation-baltimore-police-department

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download
Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, August 10, 2016
Justice Department Announces Findings of Investigation into Baltimore Police Department

Justice Department Finds a Pattern of Civil Rights Violations by the Baltimore Police Department

The Justice Department announced today that it found reasonable cause to believe that the Baltimore City Police Department (BPD) engages in a pattern or practice of conduct that violates the First and Fourth Amendments of the Constitution as well as federal anti-discrimination laws. BPD makes stops, searches and arrests without the required justification; uses enforcement strategies that unlawfully subject African Americans to disproportionate rates of stops, searches and arrests; uses excessive force; and retaliates against individuals for their constitutionally-protected expression. The pattern or practice results from systemic deficiencies that have persisted within BPD for many years and has exacerbated community distrust of the police, particularly in the African-American community. The city and the department have also entered into an agreement in principle to work together, with community input, to create a federal court-enforceable consent decree addressing the deficiencies found during the investigation.

”Public trust is critical to effective policing and public safety," said Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch. ”Our investigation found that Baltimore is a city where the bonds of trust have been broken, and that the Baltimore Police Department engaged in a pattern or practice of unlawful and unconstitutional conduct, ranging from the use of excessive force to unjustified stops, seizures and arrests. The results of our investigation raise serious concerns, and in the days ahead, the Department of Justice will continue working tirelessly to ensure that all Baltimoreans enjoy the safety, security and dignity they expect and deserve. I am grateful to all of the community members, local officials, faith leaders and current and former police officers who spoke with us during the course of our inquiry, and whose input will remain critical to our efforts as we move forward. Additionally, I commend the city and BPD for its proactive and collaborative approach to our inquiry and for demonstrating a strong commitment to restoring public confidence by already taking steps to make needed changes. I look forward to continuing our work together to implement urgent and necessary reforms."

”We found that BPD has engaged in a pattern or practice of serious violations of the U.S. Constitution and federal law that has disproportionately harmed Baltimore's African-American community and eroded the public's trust in the police," said Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta, head of the Civil Rights Division. ”The agency also fails to provide officers with the guidance, oversight and resources they need to police safely, constitutionally and effectively. In communities across America, even in communities where trust has been broken, we've seen transformative reform rebuild relationships and advance public safety. In the weeks ahead, as we negotiate our consent decree with the city, we will seek input from law enforcement and community members. With the city and commissioner's commitment to reform, I am optimistic that we will work to drive that same progress in Baltimore."

In May 2015, Attorney General Lynch announced the comprehensive investigation into the BPD after considering requests from city officials and hearing directly from community members about a potential pattern or practice of constitutional violations. The investigation focused on BPD's use of force, including deadly force; stops, searches and arrests; and discriminatory policing.

In the course of its pattern or practice investigation, the department interviewed and met with city leaders and police officials, including BPD Commissioner Kevin Davis, former commissioners and numerous officers throughout all ranks of the police department; accompanied line officers on dozens of ride-alongs in every police district; conducted hundreds of interviews and participated in meetings with community members, activists, and other stakeholders; reviewed hundreds of thousands of pages of police documents, including all relevant policies and training materials; and analyzed BPD's data on internal affairs, use of force, sexual assault cases and pedestrian stops, searches and arrests.

During the course of its investigation, the department found that the legacy of ”zero tolerance" street enforcement, along with deficient policies, training and accountability systems, resulted in conduct that routinely violates the Constitution and federal anti-discrimination law. Throughout the investigation, the department heard consistently from both the community and law enforcement that BPD requires significant reforms to address problems that undermine its efforts to police constitutionally and effectively.

The department found reasonable cause to believe that BPD engages in a pattern or practice of:

Conducting stops, searches and arrests without meeting the requirements of the Fourth Amendment;
Focusing enforcement strategies on African Americans, leading to severe and unjustified racial disparities in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act and the Safe Streets Act;
Using unreasonable force in violation of the Fourth Amendment;
Interacting with individuals with mental health disabilities in a manner that violates the Americans with Disabilities Act; and
Interfering with the right to free expression in violation of the First Amendment.
The department also identified serious concerns about other BPD practices, including an inadequate response to reports of sexual assault, which may result, at least in part, from underlying gender bias. Another significant concern identified by the department was transport practices that place detainees at significant risk of harm.

In the agreement in principle, both parties agreed that compliance with the consent decree will be reviewed by an independent monitor. The agreement in principle highlights specific areas of reform to be included in the consent decree, including:

Policies, training, data collection and analysis to allow for the assessment of officer activity and to ensure that officers' actions conform to legal and constitutional requirements;
Technology and infrastructure to ensure capability to effectively monitor officer activity;
Officer support to ensure that officers are equipped to perform their jobs effectively and constitutionally; and
Community policing strategies to guide all aspects of BPD's operations and help rebuild the relationship between BPD and the various communities it serves.
The agreement in principle provides a framework for change, but the department will be doing community outreach to solicit input in developing comprehensive reforms. Comments may be provided by email at Community.Baltimore@usdoj.gov (link sends e-mail).

Throughout the department's investigation, BPD leadership remained receptive to preliminary feedback and technical assistance, and started the process of implementing reforms. BPD leadership has proactively taken steps to address some of the findings, including updating its policies, instituting new trainings and responding to other issues identified by the department. While these measures are an important start to cooperative reform, a comprehensive agreement is still needed to remedy all of the department's findings.

In October 2014, city and BPD leadership requested to enter a collaborative reform process with the Justice Department's Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS office). While the Civil Rights Division opened the pattern or practice investigation in May 2015, the COPS office, the Justice Department's Office of Justice Programs and others have maintained their ongoing efforts to offer federal resources, such as technical assistance, to the BPD, city officials and community leaders.

This investigation was conducted by the Civil Rights Division's Special Litigation Section with the assistance of law enforcement professionals pursuant to the pattern or practice provision of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. Over the last seven years, the Special Litigation Section has opened 23 investigations into law enforcement agencies. The section is enforcing 17 agreements with law enforcement agencies, including 14 consent decrees and one post-judgment order. For more information on the Civil Rights Division and the Special Litigation Section, please visit www.justice.gov/crt.

BPD Findings Report

BPD Agreement in Principle

BPD Executive Summary

SPL Police Accomplishments 8.10.16
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Or this, on Ferguson?
https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...5/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf

How are the same exact patterns found on such distant parts of the country that have nothing at all to do with each other? You sayin' that shit just happens by chance? Just a complete coincidence that whether it's Ferguson, MO, or Baltimore, MD that you see the same patterns of behavior?

Seriously take some time to read those reports. Like, please do so, then get back to me on this.

And in any case, no duh not all cops are bad. That's not saying anything at all. That you think it is, and that's your reaction to this type of thing, to literally go #notallcops, instead of actually trying to understand why people feel the way they do and not just completely brush off their concerns and try to make it all about you is quite telling. How do you tell the difference between a good cop and a bad cop exactly? There is no difference until it's too late. Thus, the only sensible move is to treat all cops like one of the bad ones, as it's impossible to know otherwise and it doesn't make sense to take any chances. If you can't understand that, that just means that you yourself need to take more time to listen to people and understand how they feel and why they feel that way instead of simply lashing out on them, or else you're going down a very dark path yourself, thinking of the people you serve in such a way and holding their thoughts and opinions in such little regard. After all, how can you possibly begin to serve those who you can't begin to understand or have any interest in understanding?

But seriously, take some time to look over that stuff I linked and compare and contrast. That shit don't happen by accident, not in places separated by thousands of miles. I honestly want to assume the best of you and give you the benefit of the doubt. You might not believe that, and I can't blame you for that, but I do. But whether that continues is all on you and how you react to that information. If you're still on about #notallcops and stereotypes even after reading that, and still don't understand why people are scared or don't care/continue to downplay their concerns and make it all about you even after that, that would really be a better argument than any I could make. I hope that doesn't occur. But that's on you at this point. Done all I can do.
 
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Not

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I feel like the people with the authority and power to kill people should be the ones with thicker skins over generalization.
 
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