Holy shit! That's a pretty serious deficit. I guess Alabama Republicans hate McConnell more than they like Trump?
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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Holy shit! That's a pretty serious deficit. I guess Alabama Republicans hate McConnell more than they like Trump?
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Yes, and in this case the religious rural folks were reacting to the brutal depredations of the Pahlavi regime, which is why I'm very surprised you'd make that comparison!
whyamihere
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I agree with THIS take.
Imagine if a Deepwater Horizon event happens under Trump. Time to bomb the seafloor!
And yet here in America we don't have a brutal dictatorial regime, yet this statement:
is still holding true!
Context for statements matters!
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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2017/PPP_Release_National_82317.pdf
Some good details about 2020 match-ups. Warren leads Trump by 5 points, Booker by 3 points. Harris is tied with Trump. Biden beats Trump by 12 points.
There's this incredible prospect beating Trump by 13 points, though - some guy called Bernie Sanders? Don't know him, but seems like an early front-runner.
Some good details about 2020 match-ups. Warren leads Trump by 5 points, Booker by 3 points. Harris is tied with Trump. Biden beats Trump by 12 points.
There's this incredible prospect beating Trump by 13 points, though - some guy called Bernie Sanders? Don't know him, but seems like an early front-runner.
whyamihere
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What sticks out to me more is that Trump does not cross 40% against any challenger. But is that also the Trump curious voters that hurt us in 2016? Hard to say.
Box of Kittens
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Note that Trump's share changes very little from opponent to opponent. The difference is the number of undecideds. That suggests that name recognition is playing a big role here.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm a little surprised the GOP hasn't been attempting a character assassination of Bernie.
They must not view him as a threat in 2020. Or are too busy with their own problems to use resources on him.
They must not view him as a threat in 2020. Or are too busy with their own problems to use resources on him.
skullmuffins
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More confederate monument polling courtesy of PPP:
Unsurprisingly the results are a lot more favorable to moving the monuments when you pose the question this way instead of asking people to choose between letting them remain as a historical symbol or removing them because some people find them offensive.
Unsurprisingly the results are a lot more favorable to moving the monuments when you pose the question this way instead of asking people to choose between letting them remain as a historical symbol or removing them because some people find them offensive.
whyamihere
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Oh god, I dunno if I can handle the Crab takes in 2020 all over again. It might be too much.
balladofwindfishes
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More confederate monument polling courtesy of PPP:
Unsurprisingly the results are a lot more favorable to moving the monuments when you pose the question this way instead of asking people to choose between letting them remain as a historical symbol or removing them because some people find them offensive.
I don't like the term "honoring." It's loaded. Why is it so hard to just say "depicting." Polls keep doing this.
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I know, it was tongue-in-cheek. Although I did notice that Kamala Harris loses 13% of African American voters to Trump even accounting for the large portion of Don't Knows, whereas Sanders loses 8% to Trump with a much smaller portion of Don't Knows. That seemed very strange, because it's right on the margin of error and seems to more than just a statistical fluke. Has Harris done something to sour her reception lately I'm not aware of?
whyamihere
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Maybe people don't know who she is and that she's black.
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I'm sort of baffled by the idea there are black voters who'll vote Trump unless the Democratic nominee is either black or Bernie Sanders, but I suppose there's room for everyone in this world.
whyamihere
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idk it's a poll in 2017 about an election three years from now and trying to parse out a difference of 5% of a small sample size is probably a Bad Idea.
Kasich does worse against Trump in a primary than Cruz.
The GOP base hates his guts at this point. I don't see how he gains traction in a primary.
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Oh, sure, it's probably not meaningful in the long-run, but some people actually exist who answered in that pattern. I'd love to have just a 5 minute chat with them to find out their reasoning!
whyamihere
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Yeah, I mean, yeesh. yeesh.
RumbleHumble
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I don't know why, but this makes sense to me.
balladofwindfishes
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Makes you wonder what the 2024 GOP candidate will look like.
Random celebs and businessmen are going to try to recreate Trump's "magic" and it's going to be a mess.
Probably more accurate to say that Trump will do what his military advisers say. Sometimes this is bad, with nuclear war maybe okay.
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What? The Russian Revolution was driven by the urban classes. The peasants were some of the most staunchly loyal to the Tsar. That 'ordinary' is attached mostly to city-dwellers and Russia's ethnic minority population.
whyamihere
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yeah, but then...
(I get the idea that left wing voters are genuinely suspicious of politicians elected through a coalition of Clinton-esque suburbanites and rich urban voters because they aren't beholden to caring about working people, but the fellating of rural voters has now come full circle to 60s/70s left wing politics of making excuse for the USSR)
((Also, this is not true?))
(I get the idea that left wing voters are genuinely suspicious of politicians elected through a coalition of Clinton-esque suburbanites and rich urban voters because they aren't beholden to caring about working people, but the fellating of rural voters has now come full circle to 60s/70s left wing politics of making excuse for the USSR)
((Also, this is not true?))
You don't need to. Just look at Warren's numbers and you'll have it. (edit: see also them having the same pattern w/ white people!)
When they're talking about "Ordinary Rural (white) People", they're not really talking about Russians!
ArkhamFantasy
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I could see someone like a steve king doing well, someone who "tells it like it is". Aka is openly racist.
Fenderputty
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More confederate monument polling courtesy of PPP:
Unsurprisingly the results are a lot more favorable to moving the monuments when you pose the question this way instead of asking people to choose between letting them remain as a historical symbol or removing them because some people find them offensive.
I expect the afternoon right wing radio station to ignore this and continue peddling the other poll to push the "fringe left" narrative.
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That Jacobin article isn't very good, I don't think. It doesn't really make clear the distinction between what the peasantry, in the sense of the rural agricultural class, and the proletarian, in terms of the urban working class, wanted, and how they were very different 'revolutions'.
Unless he decides not to run, it'll be Pence.
shadow_shogun
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The the next resignation letter would be from the Intelligence Community:
State Dept. Science Envoy resignsthe first letter of each paragraph of his resignation letter spells the word 'Impeach.'
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/900379225756229633
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balladofwindfishes
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Pence isn't winning a primary.
He's the vice president. He's got one foot in the establishment and one foot in with the crazies. Who is a credible threat to Pence in a primary?
Box of Kittens
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I mean, it's 2024. That's a long way off to be confident who will be the nominee.
balladofwindfishes
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He'll either be a nobody who hadn't had a job in 4 years, or a vice president of a tired, hated president with a poor record who overstayed his welcome.
He won't be in a very good position either way.
I mean, he's the vice president. Vice presidents usually run for president and win the nomination. Nixon, Johnson, Humphrey, Ford, Mondale, HW, Gore, and Biden who would have run were it not for his son's death (though whether he would have win the nomination I'm much less sure of). Yes it's a ways off, but history seems to back up the notion of vice presidents running for president and winning their party's nomination for president.
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Well I'm not saying he'd win the election
Box of Kittens
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I mean, if I had to guess who the Republican nominee would be in 2024 Pence would be a good guess, but I wouldn't assign near certainty to it. Sometimes the natural pick seven years out is the nominee and sometimes not. Go back to 2009 and I think a lot of people would guess Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee in 2016, but who would pick Donald Trump to be the Republican nominee?
Whoever is running that Twitter is pretty disgusting.
Box of Kittens
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Wow. It looks like the Virginia GOP may have the same problem I see happening here in Illinois where the increasingly rural base is moving the party in a direction that's going to be toxic in a statewide race.
BoogieWoogie
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I don't give a shit how old Biden will be. He's gotta run.
benicillin
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Biden has run several times and never gotten anywhere. I'd rather he, Warren and Bernie all stay the hell away from the primary.
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