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[Suikoguy]

I won't feel a single shred of sympathy if McCain dies due to complications from the flight.

Not a single bit. Instead i'll relish in it, a man who puts his own health on the line, to take the health of others is not a man deserving of dignity.

 

[Loxley]

McCain is dying.

He has like a year left at most.

This trip could kill him.

They don't know what they're voting on.

What's the point of this.

My guess? They're hoping the moderates and other R's on the fence will be guilted into voting "yes" because McCain showed up. "Well, he came all this way, I'd feel like an asshole for voting no now"

The question is weather or not it will work.

 

[Hopfrog]

This is impossibly morbid and fucked up.

McCain could die in this flight back.

This entire thing is extraordinary. McConnell going for a Hail Mary moment by wheeling out a dying man to try to force moderates into opening up debate on an overwhelmingly unpopular set of proposals. Just when you think they've hit bottom they go plowing through another layer.

And I can't figure out what McCain or his family is thinking. Either he is no longer lucid or he is a complete moron to do this. It is quite possible that his final act as a public servant could be adding the final nail in the coffin to taking away health-care from millions. If this works and a bill passes and he dies within the year (which is a good possibility) this will be his legacy. A lifetime of work down the drain for a health-care reform that polls at around 12%-15% favorability. Astonishing.

 

[royalan]

This just goes to show you can never let your guard down with these people. Evil to the core.

This.

Stop waiting for Republicans to prove you wrong. These people are evil.

This man is literally taking time off from life-saving chemo to vote on a bill that will rob MILLIONS of Americans of access to this same care.

I would be disgusted if I hadn't already made up mind long ago that Republicans are shits.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/889618934181359616

Spice'd

I...

Negative feedback loop lol

 

[Bronx-Man]

McCain is dying.

He has like a year left at most.

This trip could kill him.

They don't know what they're voting on.

What's the point of this.

"If I die, I better take these goddamn poors with me"

 

[balladofwindfishes]

My guess? They're hoping the moderates and other R's on the fence will be guilted into voting "yes" because McCain showed up. "Well, he came all this way, I'd feel like an asshole for voting no now"

The question is weather or not it will work.

I really doubt people like Collins and Rand are swayed by sentimental feels. This is their career on the line for warm fuzzies.

 

[RastaMentality]

whew lmao john mccain is a sack of shit

 

[Autodidact]

I really doubt people like Collins and Rand are swayed by sentimental feels. This is their career on the line for warm fuzzies.

I wonder if passing UHC after Republicans rob millions of coverage would usher in an era of Democratic dominance a la Roosevelt and the New Deal 1933-1953.

I don't want to find out.

 

[RumbleHumble]

Fucking A, McCain, just go ahead and squander all that good will you did nothing to earn in the first place.

This isn't even to pass the fucking bill you piece of shit.

 

[Loudninja]

My guess? They're hoping the moderates and other R's on the fence will be guilted into voting "yes" because McCain showed up. "Well, he came all this way, I'd feel like an asshole for voting no now"

The question is weather or not it will work.

These people dont care about anything or anyone.

They are in it for themselves.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I wonder if passing UHC after Republicans rob millions of coverage would usher in an era of Democratic dominance a la Roosevelt and the New Deal 1933-1953.

I don't want to find out.

Just the recession it causes, alone, would do that. The healthcare crisis that followed would just enhance the winnings

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

These people dont care about anything or anyone.

They are in it for themselves.

McCain is risking his life here though.

It makes no sense.

 

[Y2Kev]

I thought they didn't even have enough votes to start debate on anything, McCain or no McCain.

I guess I'm out of the loop. What is being voted on but what is REALLY being voted on? Is it like ok we'll try this or is it like real?

 

[Plinko]

People need to stop saying this can't pass. McCain is coming back. It absolutely could. It's doubtful, yes, but it can happen.

 

[Aaron Strife]

On a lighter note, whatever could Nate be referring to??!?!?

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/889312041374277636

Nothing personnel, kid rock.

 

[RumbleHumble]

Fucking McCain doesn't even know which bill he's voting to motion for. It could be (and probably is, if they got Paul to give the ok) a full repeal for all he knew, in which case he'd run up his lifetime cap faster than anyone.

I'm so fucking mad right now.

 

[Suikoguy]

I thought they didn't even have enough votes to start debate on anything, McCain or no McCain.

I guess I'm out of the loop. What is being voted on but what is REALLY being voted on? Is it like ok we'll try this or is it like real?

I think the whole thing is to make Trump happy. What that means it will actually accomplish therefor unknown, at best.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I thought they didn't even have enough votes to start debate on anything, McCain or no McCain.

I guess I'm out of the loop. What is being voted on but what is REALLY being voted on? Is it like ok we'll try this or is it like real?

McConnell won't say what they're voting on, he'll tell them what they voted for 36 hours after they vote.

 

[Kevinroc]

This is even worse than the crap they did to pass Trumpcare in the House.

 

[Plinko]

I think the whole thing is to make Trump happy. What that means it will actually accomplish therefor unknown, at best.

Yep. That's all it is. He desperately wants "a win." GOP is going to screw themselves over if they vote for this thing so he can feel like he accomplished something.

 

[Suikoguy]

McConnell won't say what they're voting on, he'll tell them what they voted for 36 hours after they vote.

We do have that one asshole (can't remember which) that said he would vote for anything.

 

[NewFresh]

This can only be in service of Trump, right? Like, he demanded the vote, threatened everyone, and they convinced a dying old man to fly in and vote for.... Something.

 

[Plinko]

I'll bring this up every time: We know the RNC was hacked. Nothing was released. Trump threatens them and magically they do his bidding. I dont think this is rocket science.

We do have that one asshole (can't remember which) that said he would vote for anything.

Burr.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

People need to stop saying this can't pass. McCain is coming back. It absolutely could. It's doubtful, yes, but it can happen.

This is how I see it and I'm not into talking in absolutes these day until stuff happens. It's unlikely it will pass but I'm going to wait until it doesn't before I start celebrating.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

I thought they didn't even have enough votes to start debate on anything, McCain or no McCain.

I guess I'm out of the loop. What is being voted on but what is REALLY being voted on? Is it like ok we'll try this or is it like real?

They're voting on bringing a bill to the floor for debate.. but we don't know the bill because

McConnell won't say what they're voting on, he'll tell them what they voted for 36 hours after they vote.

We do have that one asshole (can't remember which) that said he would vote for anything.

Burr

 

[Widdle Puppy]

what if mccain tries to vote yes but is too delusional and accidentally presses the no button

 

[Prof. Bathtub]

Does it cover salt-of-the-earth plumbers? Recall the GOP of 08, where inexperience was an inexcusable defense and low-income people were deserving of help?

 

[Futurevoid]

People need to stop saying this can't pass. McCain is coming back. It absolutely could. It's doubtful, yes, but it can happen.

Yep. It's still a tough slog but with McCain coming back, the chances of the MTP succeeding just went up substantially. I don't even want this up for debate. I want it dead on the MTP vote.:/

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Yep. It's still a tough slog but with McCain coming back, the chances of the MTP succeeding just went up substantially.

The chances went up exactly one vote

 

[Kusagari]

I honestly put it at 50/50 right now.

Even I underestimated McConnell's vileness here. Never thought he would fly in a dying man as a prop to get votes.

 

[watershed]

For sure they want to vote on opening debate on the house's version of the Healthcare bill(?), a vote on repeal only legislation, and a vote on a repeal and replace bill that has changes made to meet the feedback from the senate parliamentarian. They also plan to vote on a ton of amendments.

 

[RumbleHumble]

I'll bring this up every time: We know the RNC was hacked. Nothing was released. Trump threatens them and magically they do his bidding. I dont think this is rocket science.



Burr.

So Trump's holding our country's healthcare system hostage with RNC e-mails? What the fuck must be in there that has them so scared?

 

[Foffy]

Fucking McCain doesn't even know which bill he's voting to motion for. It could be (and probably is, if they got Paul to give the ok) a full repeal for all he knew, in which case he'd run up his lifetime cap faster than anyone.

I'm so fucking mad right now.

Aren't people in office entirely exempt from any health care changes? Outside of their affluenza being enough eat the blows anyway...

 

[Futurevoid]

The chances went up exactly one vote

...when the margin is this slim, that's plenty substantial if they happen to convince enough people to bring it up for debate. Once it hits the floor, they'll vote on a myriad of shit. No thanks. I want it dead before that as I already said.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I'll bring this up every time: We know the RNC was hacked. Nothing was released. Trump threatens them and magically they do his bidding. I dont think this is rocket science.

It's this or the primary polling is just that dire. No other explanations at this point.

Does it cover salt-of-the-earth plumbers? Recall the GOP of 08, where inexperience was an inexcusable defense and low-income people were deserving of help?

Honestly, I'm sick of hearing about the GOP's supposed principles even in jest. It's really, painfully obvious at this point that they have no moral, ethical, or reason-based backing to anything they do. It's all for the naked pursuit of power and sheer hate.

 

[Zolo]

I'm trying to remember, but don't they still need 60 votes for a bill that doesn't have a score at all?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

...when the margin is this slim, that's plenty substantial if they happen to convince enough people to bring it up for debate.

tbh, the margin doesn't really seem to be that slim. There's like 6-7 no votes, and enough of those are hard nos to kill the bill outright, McCain or not.

You guys are acting like multiple people who were nos decided to vote yes because of McCain's miraculous recovery or whatever.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I'm trying to remember, but don't they still need 60 votes for a bill that doesn't have a score at all?

Nominally, yeah, but if they're willing to chance killing a Senator to pass this thing I have to believe that they're willing to nuke the filibuster over it.

 

[tuxfool]

I honestly put it at 50/50 right now.

Even I underestimated McConnell's vileness here. Never thought he would fly in a dying man as a prop to get votes.

Dying man seems eager to do it.

 

[sangreal]

tbh, the margin doesn't really seem to be that slim. There's like 6-7 no votes, and enough of those are hard nos to kill the bill outright, McCain or not.

I don't think there are 6-7 hard no votes on the MTP to <unspecified dream bill>. Who are you counting ?

 

[Zolo]

Nominally, yeah, but if they're willing to chance killing a Senator to pass this thing I have to believe that they're willing to nuke the filibuster over it.

Just wanted to make sure that's the point we're at.

 

[Geist-]

It's basically an entire video having Trump do a gay voice.

No thank you. Try again.

Talking in an exaggerated flamboyant voice for humor does not automatically make something homophobic.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I don't think there are 6-7 hard no votes on the MTP to <unspecified dream bill>. Who are you counting ?

Hard nos
Collins
Murkowski
Paul

Soft nos
Johnson
Heller
Those two guys I can't remember their names since they're like twins
Some other guys like Capito and Portman

Start panicking when one of them decides to switch because McCain is almost killing himself to come back to work

 

[RustyNails]

McCain always wanted to be a good soldier for his party. He thinks loyalty is the same as citizenship. Dude lost his soul in 2007 and never recovered.

 

[Kusagari]

tbh, the margin doesn't really seem to be that slim. There's like 6-7 no votes, and enough of those are hard nos to kill the bill outright, McCain or not.

You guys are acting like multiple people who were nos decided to vote yes because of McCain's miraculous recovery or whatever.

Because I don't trust Portman, Capito and the like at all.

 

[Plinko]

Hard nos
Collins
Murkowski
Paul

Soft nos
Johnson
Heller
Those two guys I can't remember their names since they're like twins

Start panicking when one of them decides to switch because McCain is almost killing himself to come back to work

Didn't Lee come out against the last one?

 

[Grexeno]

McConnell smiled and McCain's cancer was instantly cured

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Because I don't trust Portman, Capito and the like at all.

We know the GOP gave up on Collins and Murkowski, so that leaves having to convert literally every single other no over, including Rand Paul whose a stubborn mule.

And Johnson, who hates McConnell's guts and this entire bill and is taking it very personally.

I'm not seeing the votes.

 

[Ogodei]

tbh, the margin doesn't really seem to be that slim. There's like 6-7 no votes, and enough of those are hard nos to kill the bill outright, McCain or not.

You guys are acting like multiple people who were nos decided to vote yes because of McCain's miraculous recovery or whatever.

Since the last failure you have Heller, who really seems to have become ambivalent, Johnson who's gotten pissed off at McConnell's antics but could buy into this "quantum health care bill" bullshit for his shot at getting something more conservative, Paul who's also probably bought McConnell's snake oil, and Lee and Moran who would be on board with pure repeal.

The question is how many people he's lying to and what kind of heat Heller's feeling from wealthy far-right casino moguls.

Although Murkowski, Capito, and Collins could doom it between them.