fatigues_gasolini
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3rdman said:
That the biggest I've yet seen of Pac-Bama.
Its like Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD all over again.
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PoliGAF Thread of VP Debate 2008 Trainwreck-in-slow-motion Popcorn Party Edition
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Its like Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD all over again.
CharlieDigital
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lawblob said:
I can see them twisting it to claim racism (by proxy) @.@
Just a reminder that the one-week simultaneous registration/early vote window in Ohio begins tomorrow. Something to keep an eye on. Obama's camp is saturating college towns and universities for new voters who can vote on the spot.
And they were proven to be making stuff up by the AP. Good show, Gibbs.BenjaminBirdie said:
Beer Monkey
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thefit said:
Wow, a digital voting system with a paper trail.
ViperVisor
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Please play the Palin talking point meltdown with Couric on The View today.
Follow it by a clip from Billy Madison:
What you just said is one of the most insanely, idiotic things I have ever heard. No where in your rambling, incoherent response where you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Follow it by a clip from Billy Madison:
What you just said is one of the most insanely, idiotic things I have ever heard. No where in your rambling, incoherent response where you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
neonvision
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Wow, Obama is at the high school literally across the street from the community I live in. Wish I knew about it before hand or I would have tried to attend.
MassiveAttack
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Fox News and McCain campaign already accusing debate moderator of trying to "stack the deck" against Palin by asking "gotcha questions"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RaRBAvzTzY
This is absolutely pathetic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RaRBAvzTzY
This is absolutely pathetic.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
pxleyes said:
I don't know that overprepared is the right word for her, but certainly you get the impression that the aides have really just pumped a bunch of talking points into her head and that she's perceptively self-conscious and gunshy during her interviews. Given the debates in Alaska for governor and her performance at RNC, she's clearly regressed, and I blame aides. She doesn't speak naturally, is scared of making a gaffe, and worried about sounding intelligent.
A large part of it is speaking to issues she knows very little about, and the other part is her trying to regurgitate information being fed to her. Both of those can be traced to a bad job of coaching by the aides. By now, she should be able to seem capable of talking about these issues.
Coach me for ONE day, and I'll sound like an expert on the Wall Street Bailout on any damn interview.
Fragamemnon
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Hitokage said:
Nevada is a problem for McCain. Quietly the campaign has admitted, here and there, that NV was going to be a tough state to hold due to Obama registration gains and better ground operation.
At this point I think that PA+NH may be two of McCain's best bets. That being said, both are really bad bets, but I really don't know where else to go if VA and CO continue polling like they do. At this point they need a route to 270 even if they lose by 1.5% in the popular vote, and PA+NH are two decent bets.
MassiveAttack said:
"Why don't they just make it half-and-half? The public cares more about domestic stuff than foreign stuff anyway."
Hmm... why didn't they ask the same questions about the presidential debate?
It's funny that they're already attempting damage control. I can't wait until the post-debate spin.
adamsappel
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Little early to be drunk, ain't it?Gruco said:
Ignatz Mouse
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any transcripts of some of these youtube clips?
maximum360
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GhaleonEB said:
According to Chuck Todd:
Toss Ups - FL, IN, MI, NV, NH, NC, OH, PA, VA, WI
I thought recent polling totally contradicted this.
MassiveAttack
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mamacint said:
These will be played on CBS Evening News tonight.
ViperVisor
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WALTERS THROW DOWN!
'Word for word almost' Tina parody.
'Word for word almost' Tina parody.
GoutPatrol
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thefit said:
I'll buy two.
Fragamemnon
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Now about Palin, I wanted to bring a couple of facts to the front about her, based on what people observed in her brief tenure as Alaska Governor:
*) Does not go to Juneau very often, hasn't dealt with things face to face.
*) Is apparently indifferent/unattentive when attending official meetings and gubenatorial appearances, spending time on her blackberry doing hell knows what.
That tells me she's neither a curious person, nor really interested in doing her job as Governor. Is it no wonder the McCain campaign is having a hard time getting her up to speed with national issues?
We all know that she's capable of being an average debater-when she has a decent understanding of the issues. When she ran for Governor of Alaska the issues were pretty clear to her, as she probably had been around them and exposed to them for years. She's not a curious type, so the rest of the issues that national politicians deal with were of none of her concern. Had she had more exposure to national issues I think she'd be in a much better position.
I think the real problem with her in this debate goes back to the very core problem of McCain's campaign-everything is calculated and done for maximum immediate political gain. Had they put Palin on the ticket in June they would have had months to get her educated on these issues without the huge pressure of having to be out campaigning to help a floundering campaign in the heat of the post-convention season. She'd by now be at least on the level of Dan Quayle. Instead they have a confused, blabbering idiot who comes across as out of her league any time she opens her mouth with a mic around.
Palin didn't always have to be a disaster pick. They could have leveraged her newness and then eased her into talking comfortable about the issues while electrifying the fundie base early enough to get a decent in-house ground game going in key states. They picked her too late, and instead they got a bigger, more emphemeral convention bounce but now are sagging badly in the polls because of that decision.
*) Does not go to Juneau very often, hasn't dealt with things face to face.
*) Is apparently indifferent/unattentive when attending official meetings and gubenatorial appearances, spending time on her blackberry doing hell knows what.
That tells me she's neither a curious person, nor really interested in doing her job as Governor. Is it no wonder the McCain campaign is having a hard time getting her up to speed with national issues?
We all know that she's capable of being an average debater-when she has a decent understanding of the issues. When she ran for Governor of Alaska the issues were pretty clear to her, as she probably had been around them and exposed to them for years. She's not a curious type, so the rest of the issues that national politicians deal with were of none of her concern. Had she had more exposure to national issues I think she'd be in a much better position.
I think the real problem with her in this debate goes back to the very core problem of McCain's campaign-everything is calculated and done for maximum immediate political gain. Had they put Palin on the ticket in June they would have had months to get her educated on these issues without the huge pressure of having to be out campaigning to help a floundering campaign in the heat of the post-convention season. She'd by now be at least on the level of Dan Quayle. Instead they have a confused, blabbering idiot who comes across as out of her league any time she opens her mouth with a mic around.
Palin didn't always have to be a disaster pick. They could have leveraged her newness and then eased her into talking comfortable about the issues while electrifying the fundie base early enough to get a decent in-house ground game going in key states. They picked her too late, and instead they got a bigger, more emphemeral convention bounce but now are sagging badly in the polls because of that decision.
speculawyer
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Fragamemnon
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Kildace said:
MI has been polling a hair better for Obama than PA. PA is structurally more favorable to the McCain campaign in terms of demographics as well, and PA was one a few big states where Obama fell flat in the primaries against the Hilldozer.
eclipze
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Nate Silver (the man behind fivethirtyeight.com) on NPR's On Point
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2008/09/a-changed-campaign/
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2008/09/a-changed-campaign/
Fragamemnon
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LuCkymoON said:
Projecting and pivoting issues around her experiences in Alaska has been nothing short of a disaster for her ( see putinalaska.gif ).
MassiveAttack
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McCain campaign:
"Couric asked Palin a series of trapdoor questions"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SVK7eO52Qg
So to summarize, every question asked of Palin is one of the following:
1. Gotcha question
2. Trapdoor question
3. Sexist question
4. Unfair question
5. Agenda question
"Couric asked Palin a series of trapdoor questions"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SVK7eO52Qg
So to summarize, every question asked of Palin is one of the following:
1. Gotcha question
2. Trapdoor question
3. Sexist question
4. Unfair question
5. Agenda question
LuCkymoON said:
There is no possibility of her looking good. Katie Couric was not asking difficult questions. Even if she is not a policy wonk, she should at least coherently be able to regurgitate Republican talking points. She cant even do that. Under the spotlight of a 90 minute freewheeling debate where she has to think on her toes to on-the-spot questions.... she will look dumb as fuck.
Fragamemnon
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Kildace said:
There's been a rash of polls in the +3 to +7 range and a double digit Obama lead outlier.
Both states still look really grim for McCain. He's not really pulled even a weak lead there at any point in the campaign, even after the Palin+convention double bounce.
ViperVisor
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MassiveAttack said:
PLEASE bring this weaksauce to Hardball. Chris would jump out of his seat.
Stoney Mason
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I've always said on a network stacked to the right there isn't a more propaganda laced show than Fox & Friends with Doocy and whoever is the resident blonde fembot.MassiveAttack said:
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