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[AceBandage]

So now you just hope they know that for sure. I love 'em, but Nintendo is bad about finding ways to gimp themselves. While some might feel I have high expectations, the fact that Nintendo has a history of doing that is what keeps me in check. I expect Cafe will be easily more powerful than PS360, but there will be something done (could be the controller for all we know) that puts a dent in the positive of being more powerful. I'm personally expecting a "Super Wii" so to speak. It mimics the Wii setup with more powerful components to blow by the current HD twins.

If they're going with a R700, then they've already fixed the biggest problem with the Wii's architecture. In fact, it's actually impossible for them to continue to use the GC/Wii architecture. They just don't produce that stuff anymore.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

If they're going with a R700, then they've already fixed the biggest problem with the Wii's architecture. In fact, it's actually impossible for them to continue to use the GC/Wii architecture. They just don't produce that stuff anymore.

Indeed, R7xx is a completely new architecture compared to Flipper/Hollywood.
Reusing Flipper/Hollywood (and Gekko/Broadway) makes little sense in the next generation.

 

[Hero of Legend]

Since it's pretty much Japan only, it's not a surprise.

I didn't know what it was until a couple of years back... and I sorta still don't.

I think... it's Japan's equivalent to Component correct?

 

[blu]

16MB of embedded RAM on Cafe's GPU seems reasonable, I hope it proves to be true, though I'm not counting on it.

The amount will depend on what that memory will be generally used for. If it's mainly for vanilla fb, 360-style, then it could be even less than what a normal target-res-fb worth of mem would take, as they could go with tiling (the way xb360 had to go each time somebody decided to use fsaa on it). If it's something more akin to 'local GPU mem', ps2-style, then it would need to be able to hold an entire fb, and then some. We'll see.

 

[AceBandage]

I didn't know what it was until a couple of years back... and I sorta still don't.

I think... it's Japan's equivalent to Component correct?

It's closer to a VGA cable, but general purpose.

 

[Oblivion]

If those specs are anywhere close to true, it would be jizz-tastic. Long before we heard any rumors of Cafe's specs, I'd always hoped at minimum it would be as powerful as a 360 (heck, even PS3 level would be okay ). To see Cafe been significantly more powerful than either would make me a happy panda.

I used to think that this level of power wouldn't be feasible for Nintendo (at least, post-Wii Nintendo), but I realized a few things. 1) Nintendo made a profit from the outset with the GC, yet was still a generational leap that could compete with the best from the other consoles. 2) Although Cafe will have a significant boost in power in comparison to the Wii, it's hardware is not bleeding edge tech. 3) Judging by the 3DS, Nintendo doesn't seem to have any problems charging up the ass for their machines now, so it would be a little bit more understandable.

 

[Fernando Rocker]

Wouldn't be cheaper to use a newer version (R800 for example) as opposed to the R700? Do they still make the R700 series?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Well i was more referring to it as a good thing to be the ps2 of next gen. In a sence that people have been claiming the cafe to be only half generational leap compared to the Super HD twins. The stated numbers in turn would make it so close to what MS and Sony can be able to put forward next gen in terms of computational power. That it would be practically fully in the same generation , in the same way that ps2 fully part of the generation of its contemporary rival systems.

that is the best Nintendo could hope for
lets hope it works out that way

 

[AceBandage]

Wouldn't be cheaper to use a newer version (R800 for example) as opposed to the R700? Do they still make the R700 series?

Well, you have to think that they were likely getting and designing parts in 2008/9. Maybe before the AMD5xxx series was readily avaliable.
But, who knows. Nintendo has a reason, obviously, but it's hard to say just what.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

Wouldn't be cheaper to use a newer version (R800 for example) as opposed to the R700? Do they still make the R700 series?

I think R800 is too power-hungry, but I'm really not certain. Someone else can probably answer this question for us.

 

[Rich!]

This is an old article, but I was wondering if anybody has seen it. Apparently Retro is working on a project that "everyone wants them to do"

http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/201...n-a-project-everyone-wants-us-to-do-on-wii-2/

Yeah, been posted long ago - and has generated speculation on everything from Zelda to Starfox to Pokemon.

 

[AceBandage]

Yeah, been posted long ago - and has generated speculation on everything from Zelda to Starfox to Pokemon.

Of course, they're all wrong.

 

[Poyunch]

Yeah, been posted long ago - and has generated speculation on everything from Zelda to Starfox to Pokemon.

It's got to be F-Zero. People have been begging for it for so long and it's one of those out of the way Nintendo properties that would be perfect in their hands.

Of course, they're all wrong.

But yeah I rather have this (since an F-Zero is almost inevitable at this point). <3

 

[herzogzwei1989]

If those specs are anywhere close to true, it would be jizz-tastic. Long before we heard any rumors of Cafe's specs, I'd always hoped at minimum it would be as powerful as a 360 (heck, even PS3 level would be okay ). To see Cafe been significantly more powerful than either would make me a happy panda.

I used to think that this level of power wouldn't be feasible for Nintendo (at least, post-Wii Nintendo), but I realized a few things. 1) Nintendo made a profit from the outset with the GC, yet was still a generational leap that could compete with the best from the other consoles. 2) Although Cafe will have a significant boost in power in comparison to the Wii, it's hardware is not bleeding edge tech. 3) Judging by the 3DS, Nintendo doesn't seem to have any problems charging up the ass for their machines now, so it would be a little bit more understandable.

I pretty much completely agree with you ^__^

This E3 is going to be the most exciting E3 ever, methinks.

 

[From The Dust]

Yeah, been posted long ago - and has generated speculation on everything from Zelda to Starfox to Pokemon.

Star Tropics! for whatever reason

fuck you Ace

 

[Poyunch]

lol

 

[Dreamwriter]

This is an old article, but I was wondering if anybody has seen it. Apparently Retro is working on a project that "everyone wants them to do"

http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/201...n-a-project-everyone-wants-us-to-do-on-wii-2/

So, a remake of Final Fantasy VII!

 

[Plinko]

Of course, they're all wrong.

Reggie closes the conference with, "Kiss my ass, Uncharted."

Or:

"We're headed into 'uncharted' territory" and then puts on the sunglasses.

*cue "Won't Get Fooled Again."*

 

[Graphics Horse]

Yeah, been posted long ago - and has generated speculation on everything from Zelda to Starfox to Pokemon.

In other words, nobody knows what everybody wants them to do.

 

[Rich!]

I never played StarTropics before. Maybe I'll seek out a copy after I've finished Terranigma.

 

[From The Dust]

So, a remake of Final Fantasy VII!

at least it won't take 150 goddamned years

 

[AceBandage]

Reggie closes the conference with, "Kiss my ass, Uncharted."

He rolls up his sleeve to reveal a tattoo of Nathan Drake with a circle and a line through him.

I never played StarTropics before. Maybe I'll seek out a copy after I've finished Terranigma.

If you have a Wii you can buy it on the VC.

 

[Vic]

Wouldn't be cheaper to use a newer version (R800 for example) as opposed to the R700? Do they still make the R700 series?

Nintendo isn't wandering inside a retail shop and say `I want 10 of those`. They probably decided with AMD to use the R700 design for Cafe years ago and heavily modified it to their needs.

 

[Black-Wind]

Yeah, been posted long ago - and has generated speculation on everything from Zelda to Starfox to Pokemon.

Dear glob, how did I not see this on gaf?!?

Someone PLEASE tell me even a slightly logical reason behind thinking this!

 

[KrawlMan]

This is an old article, but I was wondering if anybody has seen it. Apparently Retro is working on a project that "everyone wants them to do"

http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/201...n-a-project-everyone-wants-us-to-do-on-wii-2/

I must have missed this. Not that this news is by any means groundbreaking, but is there any weight to what this site says? Seems as though many websites/blogs around the net spew out the words "my sources" just for hits.

 

[AceBandage]

Dear glob, how did I not see this on gaf?!?

Someone PLEASE tell me even a slightly logical reason behind thinking this!

There is none.
They would never give Pokemon to Retro.

 

[bgassassin]

I think its safe to say the GC/Wii line of processors is dead for next gen. The chip they were based on could only rate to around the level the Wii is at now.

If they're going with a R700, then they've already fixed the biggest problem with the Wii's architecture. In fact, it's actually impossible for them to continue to use the GC/Wii architecture. They just don't produce that stuff anymore.

I agree about the CPU and GPU aspects being changed since we've been discussing that since the new first dropped. It's the memory part that I'm focused on since the news is pretty general. That's the area where I don't see them totally abandoning the GC/Wii architecture. I could easily see them using some varying amount of 1T-SRAM-R or 1T-SRAM-Q. Or heck, they might try to use that FCRAM that's in the 3DS to replace how they would have used 1T-SRAM. I just get the feeling that if 1GB, or even 1.5GB of memory, is true then it will be a mix of GDDR5 and something else. And I don't expect that something else to be XDR2 based on the rumored price range.

And let me get off this computer. I've been working in the heat and haven't eaten anything at all today.

 

[blu]

Nintendo isn't wandering inside a retail shop and say `I want 10 of those`. They probably decided with AMD to use the R700 design for Cafe years ago and heavily modified it to their needs.

Now is the time to recall that nintendo had a backup, more 'orthodox power jump' design this gen, in case wii failed.. Or was that for the ds?

 

[Cow Mengde]

Wouldn't be cheaper to use a newer version (R800 for example) as opposed to the R700? Do they still make the R700 series?

Or maybe they're using the top of the line R700 because the R800 version of the chip isn't ready yet, so they cram the best R700 into the devs kits for now.

I think R800 is too power-hungry, but I'm really not certain. Someone else can probably answer this question for us.

Nope, the opposite. The early R700 chips were very power hungry, but the R800 chips weren't. The 4770 had the best power/performance ratio when it was released.

 

[From The Dust]

There is none.
They would never give Pokemon to Retro.

SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU WILL NOT DESTROY MY DREAMS!

 

[Rich!]

He rolls up his sleeve to reveal a tattoo of Nathan Drake with a circle and a line through him.




If you have a Wii you can buy it on the VC.

I have a wii, but no wii remote! Ha. I'll by another one when skyward sword is released...

 

[Black-Wind]

There is none.
They would never give Pokemon to Retro.

Why do you have to crush my hopes for a Pikachu Plateformer?

Why...?

 

[AceBandage]

Now is the time to recall that nintendo had a backup, more 'orthodox' design this gen, in case wii failed.. Or was that for the ds?

That was the DS.
They had the rumored "Gameboy Evolution" designed just in case. It was suppose to be a shrunk down GC.

 

[From The Dust]

Now is the time to recall that nintendo had a backup, more 'orthodox power jump' design this gen, in case wii failed.. Or was that for the ds?

that was the DS

 

[NotGameboy]

This is an old article, but I was wondering if anybody has seen it. Apparently Retro is working on a project that "everyone wants them to do"

http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/201...n-a-project-everyone-wants-us-to-do-on-wii-2/

Metroid Prime 4 confirmed.

 

[blu]

That was the DS.
They had the rumored "Gameboy Evolution" designed just in case. It was suppose to be a shrunk down GC.

that was the DS

Thanks. I guess it's time for me to call it a day.

 

[JohnTinker]

So what happens if they only have two playable 1st party games and three playable 3rd party games, then show the rest on video? Missed opportunity? Is that enough to tide us over and build enough hype?

 

[AceBandage]

So what happens if they only have two playable 1st party games and three playable 3rd party games, then show the rest on video? Missed opportunity? Is that enough to tide us over and build enough hype?

5 games playable a year+ before the system is out wouldn't be that bad, actually.
It's completely dependent on the TYPES of games, though.
We're going to see a lot of games named and development studios getting shout outs, regardless.

 

[Flare]

I'd like to see Retro's take on a 2D Metroid.

 

[Fernando Rocker]

I agree about the CPU and GPU aspects being changed since we've been discussing that since the new first dropped. It's the memory part that I'm focused on since the news is pretty general. That's the area where I don't see them totally abandoning the GC/Wii architecture. I could easily see them using some varying amount of 1T-SRAM-R or 1T-SRAM-Q. Or heck, they might try to use that FCRAM that's in the 3DS to replace how they would have used 1T-SRAM. I just get the feeling that if 1GB, or even 1.5GB of memory, is true then it will be a mix of GDDR5 and something else. And I don't expect that something else to be XDR2 based on the rumored price range.

And let me get off this computer. I've been working in the heat and haven't eaten anything at all today.

What if they are including the Wii GPU inside the console for the BC feature and they use the rest of the hardware (new CPU and GPU) to emulate the CPU... just like the 60GB PS3.

Wii GPU must be extremely cheap these days.

 

[Plinko]

I'd like to see Retro's take on a 2D Metroid.

As would I but not for the Cafe. 3DS--absolutely.

 

[AceBandage]

I'll just leave this here.

 

[From The Dust]

As would I but not for the Cafe. 3DS--absolutely.

Metroid Dread. we all wanted it since Corruption. those assholes

 

[herzogzwei1989]

Or maybe they're using the top of the line R700 because the R800 version of the chip isn't ready yet, so they cram the best R700 into the devs kits for now.

Would make sense.

Nope, the opposite. The early R700 chips were very power hungry, but the R800 chips weren't. The 4770 had the best power/performance ratio when it was released.

Okay then I stand corrected

 

[swerve]

Wario Land VB would be awesome. I hope the VB on Virtual Console comes true.

 

[antonz]

Would make sense.



Okay then I stand corrected

Yeah the R800s are in a very simplified nutshell More power efficient with performance boost R700s. As I said thats super simplifying them but mostly accurate though R800 obviously has DX11 etc

 

[herzogzwei1989]

Nintendo isn't wandering inside a retail shop and say `I want 10 of those`. They probably decided with AMD to use the R700 design for Cafe years ago and heavily modified it to their needs.

R700, or more specifically, the RV770, is a damn good base from which to design a custom GPU, IMO.

Obviously an R800 would be even better though, it's got Shader Model 5.0 and tessellation, among other things.

 

[Rich!]

Wario Land VB would be awesome. I hope the VB on Virtual Console comes true.

I'd buy that in a split second

Such an incredible game.

 

[Ecliptor]

I'll just leave this here.

605 posts too late

 

[Father_Brain]

As much as I love the Prime series, I would be happier to see Retro focused solely on new IP. It might be riskier from Nintendo's perspective, but that's the kind of risk Nintendo needs to take if they want to expand Cafe's Western core audience beyond devotees of its existing IP.