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Project CARS 2 discussion thread (provisional release date: Septemberish 2017)
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Interesting comment from Ian Bell on GTP about joypad steering deadzones in pCARS1.
Experiencing Project CARS 2's Red Bull Ring via Controller
That would certainly explain one of my major complaints about pad control in the first game. Even with zero deadzone set, nothing would happen for 5% movement. So naturally, you over-compensate, it suddenly kicks in and before you know it you are fishtailing down the track tank-slapper style.
Experiencing Project CARS 2's Red Bull Ring via Controller
That would certainly explain one of my major complaints about pad control in the first game. Even with zero deadzone set, nothing would happen for 5% movement. So naturally, you over-compensate, it suddenly kicks in and before you know it you are fishtailing down the track tank-slapper style.
Patrick S.
Banned
So when will this admitted bug be patched in pCARS 1?
On consoles, unlikely due to cost. Certainly not on PS4. A PS4 patch would mean losing native Fanatec support, and SMS said they wouldn't do this.
Could happen on the Bone I suppose. I still feel it's unlikely at this stage, but who knows. I'll ask the question in the GTP thread.
Edit: done.
Experiencing Project CARS 2's Red Bull Ring via Controller
Patrick S.
Banned
nowheretorun
Member
Recently purchased PC1 for ps4 and I think it's great. Really looking forward to see what happens for Ps4 Pro with PC2.
I hope they improve some things though.
I think it's great that you can save car setups to specific tracks, I can't seem to save multiple different car setups (other than 'putting' them to specific tracks) which is incredibly annoying (unless I'm doing something wrong).
I'd like more control over the sounds too (which are great). Let me reduce the sound of hitting things or increase the sound of tyre squeal whilst at the same time having the engine volume etc. still adjustable.
How about not losing controller settings if you switch from one set to another or let me save multiple sets opposed to selecting modes 1, 2 or 3 (its a bit confusing).
Give brief descriptions (in game) of what settings do what in terms of tuning and the other options.
Also give sound options/other options adjustable without having to leave the race/track too would be nice! (even if just on a test track).
Currently playing with a controller where I'm using Steering Assistance and (can't remember which one Traction or Stability) but I've stripped back all the other settings within the controller options such as deadzones etc and I can 'finally' drive any car with or without stock settings that STILL manages to be both exciting and realistic without tearing wondering how the hell I can stop a car from spinning out lol!
Looking to complete my racing set-up with bass transducers (Daytona and Aura?), a GIMEX for my G25 (or I may buy a new wheel T300 RS preferably or G29 for much cheaper) ready in time for PC2. Would love to have a Motion Rig but not available for console (unless I had a spare £3k!) so that aint happening!
So using PC1 as a little tinkering about game and then will buy PC2 as a start to get back into sim-racing. GTS has left me flat and I've decided it's time for a change from that franchise but hoping to go back into it if they produce a GT similar in design to previous iterations 'as long' as certain things are addressed that I personally want addressing. I know I might even have to wait till ps5 but that is ok as I'm confident PC2 will part fill the void.
One thing I would REALLY love though is that in PC2 they put the Nascar/Oval Tracks in like I was really hoping would be in PC1 but not there now for console :-(
I hope they improve some things though.
I think it's great that you can save car setups to specific tracks, I can't seem to save multiple different car setups (other than 'putting' them to specific tracks) which is incredibly annoying (unless I'm doing something wrong).
I'd like more control over the sounds too (which are great). Let me reduce the sound of hitting things or increase the sound of tyre squeal whilst at the same time having the engine volume etc. still adjustable.
How about not losing controller settings if you switch from one set to another or let me save multiple sets opposed to selecting modes 1, 2 or 3 (its a bit confusing).
Give brief descriptions (in game) of what settings do what in terms of tuning and the other options.
Also give sound options/other options adjustable without having to leave the race/track too would be nice! (even if just on a test track).
Currently playing with a controller where I'm using Steering Assistance and (can't remember which one Traction or Stability) but I've stripped back all the other settings within the controller options such as deadzones etc and I can 'finally' drive any car with or without stock settings that STILL manages to be both exciting and realistic without tearing wondering how the hell I can stop a car from spinning out lol!
Looking to complete my racing set-up with bass transducers (Daytona and Aura?), a GIMEX for my G25 (or I may buy a new wheel T300 RS preferably or G29 for much cheaper) ready in time for PC2. Would love to have a Motion Rig but not available for console (unless I had a spare £3k!) so that aint happening!
So using PC1 as a little tinkering about game and then will buy PC2 as a start to get back into sim-racing. GTS has left me flat and I've decided it's time for a change from that franchise but hoping to go back into it if they produce a GT similar in design to previous iterations 'as long' as certain things are addressed that I personally want addressing. I know I might even have to wait till ps5 but that is ok as I'm confident PC2 will part fill the void.
One thing I would REALLY love though is that in PC2 they put the Nascar/Oval Tracks in like I was really hoping would be in PC1 but not there now for console :-(
Lol, you couldn't make it up, months of telling them the controls are pants, and them saying, nah, they're fine, now during the hype period, they find a bug in the controls that were the reason they were terrible, and it's been fixed.
Perfect timing, cynical, moi?
Most things you ask for will be present in PC2. I don't think there will be separated controllers saved, though. I specifically asked for this and was told maybe after release patch. I will try to push forward, but they have reached alpha, so it is unlikely they will add any new feature.
@danowat, I've been saying control pad was fine long before you saw anything from the game. So no, it hasn't been discovered now. There's a difference between being cautious and being paranoid.
Rather than tackle them one-by-one, In think a lot (if not all) of your concerns have been addressed in the GTP Q&A thread. It's probably worth a trawl through - it's a gold mine of info about pCARS 1 and 2 directly from SMS staffers and the studio head.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/q-a-with-ianbell-read-op-process-of-updating.353715/
I don't think the first post has been fully updated so the thread probably contains more info later on.
I meant the developers saying the pad controls were fine in the first game, where now they aren't.
Paranoid?, nah, over cautious probably.
We're on either end of the SMS / PCars spectrum, and I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye where either are concerned.
I really hope more legacy code errors from previous SMS games aren't transferred to pCARS 2, giving similar weird results. At the very least I hope the code is examined in gynecological detail when oddities like the steering deadzone are reported. I guess they take a lot of time to find and identify.
PC1 had similar pad issues to Shift 2, which had similar issues to Shift.....etc etc......
I don't think we are on different spectrums. I have a very clear opinion on PC1 and, while it's overall positive (I guess true to most regulars here), I think I could make larger list of problems (many of them big problems) than anybody here . In the end, I'm running one of the most successful PC1 communities.
The difference is I can differentiate PC1 from PC2 because I can boot both whenever I want to. So I don't need to believe. I can see myself, and even though the game is not yet done, I can make a plausible projection of how things will be in the end.
PC2 is, right now, far better than PC1. It can only get better.
Yeah, that's a big issue, console players, in lieu of a beta or demo, are going to either have to put the faith in the developers (big ask for a number of console players) that the issues that plagued the first game are fixed, or hold off until there are extensive reactions from people who've brought the game (aka the sensible option)
endlessflood
Member
I appreciate that. The problem for me is that I have you saying one thing, and VVV saying another. And with all respect to you fresquito, you're always very, very positive whenever it comes to anything Project Cars related. If I'm looking for an unbiased opinion, I have to assume that VVV is probably the more reliable source versus a forum poster known for their deep, deep appreciation for a particular game developer.
That's why the rest of us are sceptical.
nowheretorun
Member
Thanks fresquito and mascot 
TJP
Member
I'd believe SMS as their typo's are the stuff of legend
Appreciate it
No dice, I'm afraid. I knew it was a long shot at this stage, but was worth asking the question.
Ian Bell at GTP said:
Patrick S.
Banned
Thank you for asking, though!
I can understand that, and I'm not going to pretend to say that's not the most logical approach. I will say, though, that I hardly see myself a SMS (haven't played any other game by them or their former studio) or even a PC enthusiast (was not for the community I built, I would have long forgotten about the game).
Back in PC1 it was hard because we could talk our mind and share anything, but there was this monetary reward that took all our credibility away. Now we will not have any return, but we can't share anything. So, yeah, not easy either.
So much less when there are so, so, so many WMD fanatics being more adamant about defending the game than the Dev themselves
Yeah, that was a definitely trade-off (though I personally didn't care about it so much, neither did I feel that it was such an issue over on GAF for myself), but I have to say that I miss the community we had going here when pCARS development was more open and we could share the development stuff. Like the time trial competitions, screenshots, sharing concerns and more.
I've still been reading the development forums daily and tried to participate in the WMD community, but I've realized that I was far more active here on GAF and enjoyed that much more. Of course, much of that also is because I bought a wheel right during the launch, which broke almost immediately (cheap second hand G25), and that pretty much burned me from racing games for quite a while. Now though, I've been enjoying a brand new G29 and I wish SMS would open the flood gates on at least posting some content about the game, since it's definitely a massive step up (but it will still always be tough competing against the other games with 10x development budgets).
Not a big issue here either. But sometimes I feel like I'm forced into a defensive position when that's not my intention.
Whenever I want to check something and don't feel like mounting the wheel, I go for the gamepad and sometimes I get hooked in the heat of the race. I'm not a pad player, I will take the wheel anyday, but I can enjoy playing with the pad when I'm just checking stuff on a new build. This never happened to me in PC1, because I thought the controls were terrible.
The thing is people that have known me all this time know where I'm coming from. But I understand most people don't and are like: Ah, right, I will believe a WMD head over the VVV guy...". It's not the end of the world and it's not a problem either. I mean, I'm not here to enlighten anybody or convince people of anything. I'm here to share what I can share about PC2. Sadly, as you mention, this is mostly dead because NDAs and all the new approach to "marketing". So it's basically me sharing some info and my own opinion.
Sadly enough, many at WMD have been always been overly positive and have denied the ebvious for unknown reasons. But hey, I'm part of WMD, so I'm supposed to be like that too!
Patrick S.
Banned
I played some pCARS 1 today, using my XBone controller instead of the X360 controller I always use. My lap times on Brands Hatch were immediately three seconds lower, and I easily managed to catch the car from spinning out a few times, which is something I really struggle with using the X360 controller. I thought that's kinda curious.
Yeah, I find that super common feeling too, but I have to say that despite enjoying the pad controls of GT6 more for example, I still have hundred+ hours of the first game with a pad default controls (though I never really contributed to that discussion, so hopefully I'm not to blame for people not liking them, which I do completely understand tho).
Though nut for sure, I can imagine that development overhead of WMD must be a light-years smaller this time and more focused, but I also don't feel the same enthusiasm and content-sharing as with pCARS1. That can a bit worrying when the budget is higher and the market getting tougher (not just racing genre, but general AAA and sequel market). Most of all I'd like to see more of these games, since no game is going to be the be-it-all game.
Project CARS 2 preview at GamesBeat Summit 2017 video
Leaked a little early, but Ian Bell is fine with it.
Leaked a little early, but Ian Bell is fine with it.
Ian Bell on GTP said:So it leaked out just before we got it out officially
Edit: There is an excellent and very true story in this video BTW. He really loved everything about pCARS2 but the handling initially and, after some months of iteration and more tests, we got together with him, some of our physics team, Pirelli test engineers, McLaren engineers and we made a massive breakthrough right there, altering the tyre contact patch data live as the chap from Pirelli noticed that the contact patch wasn't shaping itself properly under some load conditions. That change gave us a huge leap forward in realism that we've applied to all similar tyres now.
Project CARS 2 and McLaren collaboration direct feed
Spent a lot of time working at the MTC a few years ago. This video brought back some sweet, sweet memories.
Spent a lot of time working at the MTC a few years ago. This video brought back some sweet, sweet memories.
Patrick S.
Banned
The more I see and hear of this game, the more I believe that it could become the best racing game we've ever seen. This is the one I've been waiting for.
I'm trying to keep my expectations in check. I love Project CARS for giving me the authentic race weekend experience that's been perennially absent from FM and GT, but I'm not blind to its failings and frustrations. SMS really do seem to have identified and acknowledged almost everything that needed attention from the first game though, and seem hell-bent on correcting them, on top of adding a whole plethora of new features. If they do pull it off then we could be in for something really special.
If.
Interesting stuff below:
Project CARS 2 General Discussion Thread"]Project CARS 2 General Discussion Thread[/URL]
Ian Bell on GTP said:
Project CARS 2 General Discussion Thread"]Project CARS 2 General Discussion Thread[/URL]
So they've made it easier, which is how it should be, as they say, the transition of grip to no grip, and back again, was way too binary in PC1, AC does it much better.
I hate the sim racing should be hard paradox.
I think SMs have always subscribed to that same philosophy, it's just that the snap oversteer physics weren't quite on point in the first game.
On Steam would be nice, though.
I've been thinking since the physics started to align, PC2 will be slammed by the hardcore community because it is too easy. Of course it is not too easy. Keeping the tail behind and being on the tarmac is relatively easy. Going fast? You'll need hands for that.
I'm sure they will, it's a subject that has been beaten to death for decades.
The 'recent' tyre physics tweaks and adjustments, have yielded, imo, the best and most satisfying handling in the game to date.
The vintage and retro Lotus GP cars in particular, are so good to drive, it makes me smile every time I drive one. If you happen to watch any 50's 60's and 70's footage of the real world cars you would see them sliding and drifting around corners and this is exactly how it feels in the game. So satisfying!
At the moment, in terms of a general handling comparison, I'd say Assetto Corsa has that 'floaty' feel, almost disconnected in certain ways, while pCars has a more 'grounded' and more 'snappier' feel in regards to steering and tyres.
I LOVE AC, play it hours everyday, but pCars is certainly getting better and better with every build they release.
The vintage and retro Lotus GP cars in particular, are so good to drive, it makes me smile every time I drive one. If you happen to watch any 50's 60's and 70's footage of the real world cars you would see them sliding and drifting around corners and this is exactly how it feels in the game. So satisfying!
At the moment, in terms of a general handling comparison, I'd say Assetto Corsa has that 'floaty' feel, almost disconnected in certain ways, while pCars has a more 'grounded' and more 'snappier' feel in regards to steering and tyres.
I LOVE AC, play it hours everyday, but pCars is certainly getting better and better with every build they release.
Very good to hear - thanks Sal. How do the overall FFB changes feel? That was one area that always felt a bit unnatural to me in pCARS.
They have a few pre sets to choose from to cater to personal feel. It's hard to judge at the moment because they keep updating and tweaking the FFB nearly every build but there is certainly a better FFB implementation than previous games, no doubt.
Having said that, Raceroom for me, has the best FFB and I tend to compare other games to it. At the moment, Raceroom is still king..
Having said that, Raceroom for me, has the best FFB and I tend to compare other games to it. At the moment, Raceroom is still king..
TJP
Member
That's a huge compliment given the struggle the S3 Devs had to get the FFB to work as intended.
Good to read how pcars 2 is shaping up as it'll be great if SMS manage to combine a great graphics engine with great physics and FFB. Fingers crossed SMS nail it.
TylerDurden4321
Member
I think, I know what you mean, AC's FFB has a soft- and smoothness to it. It's very fitting for a production car with 900° steering lock and spring-rates for everyday road use. In a race car the reaction to bumps should have a power to them that AC's FFB is not fit to replicate.
What I don't understand then is, why you think R3E's FFB is so good, because in my opinion it's great at capturing the feel of a soft, modern-day slick in GT-style cars... and that's about it. It feels too much like "yep, it's a raceroom car". I also hate all those sliders for the FFB. I want FFB of the real-feel/pure-feel category and I don't want the tire loads scaled in unrealistic ways - if I set them all to the same level the FFB feels much less like a real car's steering wheel, to me this is saying that the FFB is not derived from a physics-calculation of the modeled suspension arms and that again is saying that R3E's FFB is not considerably more sophisticated as DiRT Rally's, but far behind the top tier physics sims. Probably even behind pCARS1, which had the right idea behind the FFB, but not the inertia, suspension and tire physics to make that feel really good (for me) and I'd prefer R3E's feel over pCARS1.
You have Automobilista, if I'm not mistaken, right?
Could you try this setting for the Formula Vintage in your RealFeelPlugin.ini
Code:
[F_Vin]
MaxForceAtSteeringRack=[u]785.000000[/u]
SteeringDamper=11500.000000
FFBMixerRealFeelPercent=100.000000
FrontGripEffect=0.000000
SmoothingLevel=[u]2[/u]
Kf=6000.000000
Ks=6.000000
A=1.000000
Kr=9.000000and compare it to an older Lotus from pCARS2? I'm interested what you think about the feedback under braking and over bumps. Maybe mix in some AC comparisons, if you remember how the Lotus 49 feels in that.
lol, that is just my opinion guys. Yes, there's quite a few options to adjust but that's why I like it. I tweak settings according to car and feedback from other drivers and end up with something that feels right and convincing to me.
In CARS, there's a similar thing happening. You have the defaults, as it stands now, and you have options to tweak and adjust. There's also pre sets that cater to what you want to feel such as a heavy steering at the expense of tyre/road feedback, a raw state version, an immersive version...etc
In CARS, there's a similar thing happening. You have the defaults, as it stands now, and you have options to tweak and adjust. There's also pre sets that cater to what you want to feel such as a heavy steering at the expense of tyre/road feedback, a raw state version, an immersive version...etc
Sounds good to me: a series of presets with optional tweaking.
Nice! Kind of reminded me of their lovely Pagani Huayra trailer for NFS Shift 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjdguZvTUOI
Is that audio in the 720s trailer confirmed as in-game?
Kind of disappointed Vin Diesel wasn't in the trailer now that SMS are doing the F&F games.
soundscream
Member
That was officially announced?
Nachtfalke
Member
Limited Edition:
Collector's Edition:
Ultra Edition:
http://www.projectcarsgame.com/preorder.html?lang=en
No prices known. The CE and UE are exclusive to Amazon.
Collector's Edition:
Ultra Edition:
http://www.projectcarsgame.com/preorder.html?lang=en
No prices known. The CE and UE are exclusive to Amazon.