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Project Natal - controller free gaming on 360
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adama-rama
Neo Member
Let's think about this. Natal will be great for things like menus and simple gestures, ones where sudden and constant active movement aren't required. But you step outside that magical box it interacts with, then you lose control.
And if you're jumping about and kicking your legs up, you'll move outside that box, and then the game will have to either go to predetermined game play (lol canned waggle) or it'll pause to break the action.
I reckon it looks cool in a sci-fi way, like turning my console on with my voice, navigating around with a flick of a finger and then getting ready to play.
But when it comes to the actual game, you need a controller. Something in your hand that lets you know what the limitations of the game are.
I hope I'm wrong, but something tells me not to get too excited.
And if you're jumping about and kicking your legs up, you'll move outside that box, and then the game will have to either go to predetermined game play (lol canned waggle) or it'll pause to break the action.
I reckon it looks cool in a sci-fi way, like turning my console on with my voice, navigating around with a flick of a finger and then getting ready to play.
But when it comes to the actual game, you need a controller. Something in your hand that lets you know what the limitations of the game are.
I hope I'm wrong, but something tells me not to get too excited.
MrGame&Watch
Member
Interestingly enough, it seems like the big main stream news out of this conference was the two remaining Beatles showing up. Search E3 on google news and that's what you get.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
$200 may sound like a lot for this, but the IR depth cameras right now are still very expensive. The PC system I mentioned earlier had some camera with bunch of IR receptors/emitters and was I think priced at around $1000. But that camera may have been some heavy duty high end stuff for all I know.
Caesar III
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yeah, imho it's just an hugely enhanced version of Little Computer PeopleGilgamesh said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8JaHD16lPI
Insertia said:
Yeah I am sure a console maker who Microsoft said they do not even consider competition is quaking in its boots because Microsoft just said there are too many buttons and motion is the way to go....something Nintendo said almost 3 years ago :lol
The tech is impressive as hell, but much like the Wii lets see it actually get used before exclaiming it the greatest thing to ever come to gaming
brain_stew
Member
Could someone please link me to a video, thanks.
Mr. Durden
Banned
Before Fable 2 I might've agreed... but after Fable 2 I believe. Also, if this was real, there's no need to believe his words, just my eyes, and what they saw was simply amazing. Since he's also showing it behind closed doors I'm excited.DreD said:
SecretBonusPoint
Banned
This conference's second half almost made me quit gaming permanently it was so bad.
Starchasing
Member
well... nintendo expected this last year... so they had a year to get ready for tomorrow...
as i remember wiimote was introduced with absolute no software... and months later they showed tons of games... including zelda and wiisports
i feel that ms should have done the same... navigating through the dashboard as a showcase?!?!
as i remember wiimote was introduced with absolute no software... and months later they showed tons of games... including zelda and wiisports
i feel that ms should have done the same... navigating through the dashboard as a showcase?!?!
VAIL said:
1 year, 2 years, 10 years down the line, whenever, it doesn't matter, if this replaces traditional controllers i quit gaming, and no this isn't some 'rage rant' it's the honest truth from a personal fun point of view and more importantly from a it would be physically impossible for me to use point of view.
Whatever, stop quoting me, that's what I thought I heard. I don't really care about this thing, but there's no way they're going to price it that high. I'm pretty sure Mattrick even threw in a line, to paraphrase, why release a new console when you can pack in a new controller. Maybe I misheard.
Starchasing
Member
Cygnus X-1
Member
Hero said:
This post is full of good sense.
But that's the thing. How do you put that into a full game? A lot of minigames on the wii are FPesque soccer games and the like. They are fun, but not $50 fun.skinnyrattler said:
PES is great on the wii because the controller added this completely unique way of gaming that isn't obvious at first. Natal, to me right now doesn't seem to do that.
Honestly if this was what the wii was, I wouldn't have bought it.
Mylo=SeamanMr. Durden said:
Naw, they will take the hit. People aren't going to buy a more expensive 360 just to copy what they can do on the wii, something they probably already own.jvalioli said:
brain_stew
Member
brain_stew said:
Um.
Gilgamesh said:
It has to be only a certain group of commands, they can't program a goddam human brain. Or at least I hope they can't. D:
Natal seems to be the best use of motion control I've seen... Although a somewhat limited one. If I understood this thing correctly, you won't see any games where you need to move around on Natal. Move around as in more than one or two steps in any direction. You won't see acion games on Natal, no platformers, no FPS's... But then again did those games ever really need motion control to begin with(FPS's maybe)? Motion control is probably at it's best when it is used for games like Wii Sports and the stuff MS has shown so far.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
It's cool technology but nothing more at this stage. If its only being given out to devs now, its not gonna gather much traction.
I don't really see it as a competitor to the Wii in terms of sales potential or gameplay usage potential. There are some things that you can do with this, that couldn't be done with Motionplus, but there are a lot more things that Motionplus can do that Natal cannot. Taking out the tactile feel of a physical device as well as buttons and the all important IR control and you'll find that Natal is quite limited in comparison to what a full Wiimote setup can do.
I reckon we won't see any real support for Natal until next gen.
I don't really see it as a competitor to the Wii in terms of sales potential or gameplay usage potential. There are some things that you can do with this, that couldn't be done with Motionplus, but there are a lot more things that Motionplus can do that Natal cannot. Taking out the tactile feel of a physical device as well as buttons and the all important IR control and you'll find that Natal is quite limited in comparison to what a full Wiimote setup can do.
I reckon we won't see any real support for Natal until next gen.
ice cream said:
Maybe if they showed you know some games the topic would be games. Instead we learned we can now waggle our arms to go through movie selections etc and paint horrible pictures.
Dever said:
On-Rails seems to be the only way we could really see games with heavy character movement unless they want us all to learn Military marching in place
UltimaPooh
Member
I don't think Microsoft will have it cost 200 bucks.
Infact I think it will just be 50 dollars. Maybe even a deal where you can get a discount on it for a while if you have an existing 360.
All 360's after the Natal is released will come as a pack in at no additional charge.
Infact I think it will just be 50 dollars. Maybe even a deal where you can get a discount on it for a while if you have an existing 360.
All 360's after the Natal is released will come as a pack in at no additional charge.
Starchasing
Member
I also found funny about the waggle remark....
Motion plus is coming and nintendo had a year to polish any game they had in mind for last year
Motion plus is coming and nintendo had a year to polish any game they had in mind for last year
backbreaker65
Banned
I loved the Natal stuff and I'm jumping in as soon as it launches.
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
Neat tech. This strikes me as a beta for the next MS console, though.
SecretBonusPoint said:
This conference's second half almost made me quit gaming permanently it was so bad.
"You ever wonder what the bottom of an avatar's shoe looks like?"
(Not really...)
*WAGGLES LIKE A TARD, AVATAR DOESN'T WORK RIGHT*
"This is so much more accurate than stupid waggle AMIRITE?"
(Not really...)
The Faceless Master
Member
BoyPet? really?
UltimaPooh
Member
+Aliken+ said:
It's a demo.
It seems precise based on the game show stuff in the video reel. It was all voice and image recognition and it picked up on small movements like buzzing in with your palm.
brain_stew
Member
Video please!!
Shadow780 said:
No, it won't be shipping with the Xbox 360.
The technology is very impressive but it was odd they didn't mention a release target. Late 2010 is my best guess and probably a $100 pricepoint (anything more would be suicide), but imo, it may be too late to be bringing out a major peripheral.
Davey Cakes
Member
Standard, standard, standard.
The Wiimote was set as a standard. That's one of the many reasons that the Wii was able to reach it's current point.
While the Natal tech is pretty damn cool, we're probably not going to see it even remotely take off until the next generation of consoles, and even then, just like the Wii, the possibilities are all up the the imaginations of developers.
The Wiimote was set as a standard. That's one of the many reasons that the Wii was able to reach it's current point.
While the Natal tech is pretty damn cool, we're probably not going to see it even remotely take off until the next generation of consoles, and even then, just like the Wii, the possibilities are all up the the imaginations of developers.
Eteric Rice
Member
I can't really see this working for any bigger games like first person shooters, etc. How would you move around? If you get shot in the back and turn... You're facing away from the camera.
This will be neat for smaller games, but I think the Wii-mote and WM+ will be more practical for normal games.
The voice recognition is cool, though.
This will be neat for smaller games, but I think the Wii-mote and WM+ will be more practical for normal games.
The voice recognition is cool, though.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
This is the worst thing I've ever seen. No-resistance "gaming," what a shit idea.
I find it funny how he said this is better than waggle because realistically you're just replacing waggle the controller with waggling your arms without a controller. :lol
i mean, it is impressive to watch but i don't want to judge any of this until they show how well it integrates into actual hardcore games like bionic commando, metal gear solids, platformers etc. And using just your hands instead of a wheel for racing games i think is going to get tiresome very fast.
all this bunch of hardware is getting annoying in some way.. the good thing is you can actually build a controller yourself and use that! that's cool
i mean, it is impressive to watch but i don't want to judge any of this until they show how well it integrates into actual hardcore games like bionic commando, metal gear solids, platformers etc. And using just your hands instead of a wheel for racing games i think is going to get tiresome very fast.
all this bunch of hardware is getting annoying in some way.. the good thing is you can actually build a controller yourself and use that! that's cool