metalslimer
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Well a bit of A and B. They should start focusing on how they will improve their next console, but they have to get something out of the Wii U. They are done this gen in terms of effectively competing though.
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PS4 fastest-selling console in UK history, outsells Wii U LTD in UK [250K PS4 in 48h]
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Well a bit of A and B. They should start focusing on how they will improve their next console, but they have to get something out of the Wii U. They are done this gen in terms of effectively competing though.
They will do something between A and B, C and D are pure nonsense.
Bucket-o-roadkill
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shinra-bansho
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Over a billion people live in China and India a piece and we rarely have threads about their gaming markets. And?
The UK is the largest gaming market in Europe, despite it's relative population, and as a single country market is the third largest globally after the US and Japan last I recall for console systems. We get weekly UK top 40 charts from which we can often extract some sort of sales information. This week we have specific information about the launch of the PS4 in the UK and about the LTD sales of the other contemporary systems. So there's a thread on it.
And again, at least with regard to their home systems, Nintendo isn't performing dramatically better on continental Europe right now than in the UK anyway - so I'm not sure why you're repeating this assertion. It's performing around the same, or better, in the UK than in countries in continental Europe.
It doesn't matter how many people live here, it matters how much we spend on games.
Your main point was that Nintendo audience will find the game offensive. Saying that B1 had bad writing is totally irrelevant for your point, unless you want to argue that Nintendo fans always expect top notch writing in their games and thus will hate B2.
B2 is going to bomb because the audience for character action games is quite small on any platform, and the WiiU exclusivity just makes the problem worse.
googleplex
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benjipwns
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They need to play hardball with both retailers and third parties. Tie the Wii U, 3DS and all other Nintendo-related products to shelf space exclusivity. Retailers and third parties shouldn't be able to use other platforms to undermine Nintendo in the marketplace. These are direct competitors and Nintendo isn't a charity no matter how much they come across as a benevolent entity towards real hardcore gamers. If that doesn't work then maybe they need to start looking into lobbying to try and level the playing field against the endless unchecked money of Microsoft and Sony.
Yaumuchi would have done this at the first sniff of any problems. (Though he probably would have prevented any disrespectful competitors from getting a foothold in the first place.)
B is already happening. R&D don't just sit around twiddling their thumbs for years until they suddenly decide to launch a new system.
Interesting point, what is it exactly that gives these games that soul that non-Nintendo games lack?
Edit: Why would Mario on the PS4 be different then Mario on a Nintendo console?
googleplex
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I feel they need to go for a more mature market. Keep Mario and co of course but also develop other franchises more attractive to teenagers and young adults. They can count on themselves only, no third parties will save them.
Also release Metroid already, I would buy a WiiU just for that game.
To be clear, I don't think Nintendo is going anywhere as a hardware console provider but...
Are you telling me that the PS4 wouldn't be able to run any of the Nintendo exclusives just as well as the WiiU? I find that hard to believe.
You're deadly serious, aren't you?
Woah. 'Play hardball with retailers' cracked me up. They're likelier to need to incentivise them to keep carrying their flagging product.
I'm not moving goalposts. I'm not even talking about sales. I'm talking about why a country with 60 million people is being used, time and again, as representative of a much larger region, if not Nintendo's success worldwide. Why do all these UK threads get so much attention when it comes to Nintendo? Again, even NES and SNES weren't the charts leaders. Yes, they don't do good in the UK, they never did. If that actually meant something, they would have gone belly up 20 years ago.
Also please show me the info that the sales % in the UK is better than in Germany.
Because, like i clearly stated in my initial post to which you replied, i was talking not specifically about this topic/news item, but UK/Nintendo news in general.
Unless you are going to argue that 60 million people buy more games than 700 million people... obviously, it matters.
I agree they need to go after a more mature market, but that's simply not something I can ever see them doing.
hokagespit
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i work for a company that rearranges shelving and crap for stores. i set up the stupid xboxone displays at wal mart. it seems like microsoft made a deal with most major retailers to be the first thing you see when you get to the videogame/electronics area. nintendo didnt pay anything extra as their new set up had no real flow/symmetry. they are all mostly invaded and cluttered inbetween skylanders stuff
Kazuma Kiryu
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Holy, freezamite is going to crack!
He has been near meltdown mode for a while.
freezamite
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Hardcore gamer is someone interested in gamming the most, of course, that ditches out of the group those who play for other reasons. It's not that I'm trying to seem a better person than them or anything, it's just that they're not hardcore gammers.
You talk about Minnercraft, WoW or Wii Sports. The first one is a "create your content" that has always sold at really low prices.
WoW it's a game that's losing players every year, which means that the young audiences don't care about those games anymore.
Wii Sports was all about the movement, and it attracted a casual crowd that now is gone.
If you look at what those games are, you will understand well why I'm saying what I say.
Regarding the variety thing... no, just no. This past generation has been shooters in first and third person, and sports games. Other than that, the JRPG genre has been nearly dying and will die this next gen, the SH was also killed and the few quatily beat em up's that were released (bayonetta) were such a failure that had to be funded by Nintendo in order for them to survive. Seeing how this is shaping, they won't make it past this gen either.
shinra-bansho
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And again, for the third or fourth time: UK news gets attention because it's the third biggest console market in the world and the largest in Europe. It's English speaking. Many game sites are based there. We get weekly data. I'm not sure how this is particularly confusing.
This just happens to be UK-PS4 and UK-Wii U news.
In revenue terms those 60M people account for something like 20-25% of what the collective 700M spend, iirc. Population is irrelevant in this discussion. Population doesn't translate directly into the size of the games market in these countries.
silver.tongue
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D is nonsense.
A + B is probable. I think they already started thinking about their next console.
C is possible but not very likely. Maybe if they fail 2 console cicles in a row like the WiiU. Right now, I don't see it happening.
freenudemacusers
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I would like to take back all my thread trolling. It is clearly no replacement for the real thing.
I think a lot of people expected a new Mario game to move hardware and thus sell lots of copies of the game.
I suspect Knack won't have much of a tail but Mario will continue to sell if the hardware sales do pick up.
Nintendo has my permission to trash the Wii U after they give me the Wii U Zelda and not a second before. They just need to give me that game.
I also find it funny that people are saying Nintendo can turn this around with more games. What games does the PS4 have? That console has absolutely jack right now and it's going to offer about as much entertainment as a bucket of paint over the next year. With nothing, it spanked the Wii U in about a day. Not even a blessing from Jesus can save the Wii U.
I also find it funny that people are saying Nintendo can turn this around with more games. What games does the PS4 have? That console has absolutely jack right now and it's going to offer about as much entertainment as a bucket of paint over the next year. With nothing, it spanked the Wii U in about a day. Not even a blessing from Jesus can save the Wii U.
Tallying the launch figures together and comparing it to 360 and PS3, yes it has grown.
I'll be honest, I didn't even count them, I just assumed it would be lol.
TimeEffect
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wait.... UK=/= EU??
will there b more figures?
And whatd X1 sell again?
will there b more figures?
And whatd X1 sell again?
Ah, dude. You gave it a go. Thanks for the chuckles and I hope you take some time out and come back stronger than ever.
Scalpers are doing what they do. Setting high prices. We had the same with wiiu which was more readily available on store shelves.
Still, it is may also be dependent on what online stock (i.e. those designated for home delivery) looks like as opposed to that which has already been delivered to stores.
Geography may play a part. I live in London so I have access to a lot more stores than somebody in the countryside for example.
Some retailers offer in store checks too. Try Argos:
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/1226027.htm
I just did. And in my vicinity there are 4 stores that have no stock and 2 that do (I live central east). If you type in Beckton, which is a little bit more east, then all six stores there have stock.
Note. This doesn't necessarily mean XB1 isn't selling. It could well be that they concentrated more stock for the UK launch. Which is a good thing.
Kazuma Kiryu
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Yeah, I've just started skimming through this thread, some of the meltdowns have been histerical. Seriously, everyone could see that nintendo was about to get clocked, sales wise, months ago.
I imagine they're already made their money when Nintendo paid them to do it.
sublimit
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benjipwns
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If Nintendo exclusives are so easy to replicate on any random hardware how come nobody's done it? Where's the innovative hardware-centric titles on other platforms that have sold like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario Kart, NSMB, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Mario 3D Land, etc.?
I think there's a lesson in there.
freenudemacusers
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There is always NPD day.
Maybe I just need a rebrand, possibly ditching some of the weight that's holding me down. Or maybe just more posts directed towards a larger number of users. If only I had some guidance here.
I guess they were too used to Nintendo dominating in the past.
TheRealTalker
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shinra-bansho
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Because they'd probably sell even less.
Boss Man
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That people are delusional.
Neither actually lol
Wii U is for my daughters birthday in February.
Prob pick up a copy in the January sales.
entremet
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Install base is the reason why Mario 3DWorld is struggling. Not lack of interest.
PhoenixDark
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(E) Release a $100-120 streaming device similar to the Roku that also offers Virtual Console games as well as new titles. Pricing would be similar to mobile games, plus a variety of free Angry Birds-esque titles. The device would be completely compatible with the 3DS, allowing you to put your VC titles onto your handheld, play handheld titles on the television, and share games with friends (to some degree).
I don't think Nintendo is capable of making a next gen console like the PS4 or XB1. Their interest don't seem to be in the general concept of big budget HD gaming, and they continue to struggle to support the WiiU with software. A simple streaming device would free up their teams to release more titles, gain a position in family rooms across the globe, and avoid high production costs that they hate.
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