jeff_rigby
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Plan 2014
http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2013/slides/ttliv/part-4-sigcomm-tutorial-2013.pptx said:
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PS4 FW 1.75 coming soony (3D Blu-ray support) #4theplayers
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More likely is that it's half ready but they've decided to push it out the door now to beat MS to the punch. That seems to be their MO these days.
mitchman
Gold Member
Yes, that's for HTML.next (or HTML5 extensions) and not HTML5 if you're referring TV stuff. As for video and audio, that there is a defacto agreement doesn't mean that HTML5 itself mandates any particular format, it still doesn't.
how exactly is that their MO these days? do you have other examples?
yes, in a week they finished the job and before that they were sipping cocktails for 10 months on some Jamaican beach.
Of course you are right on the 2nd point - it is certainly their MO to beat Microsoft
chrishackwood
Member
Is there a definitive list of the un/official most people requesting features? Sounds like: (In this order)
1. Suspend / resume
2. DNLA
3.MP3 playback
etc...etc
Is that about right?
I hope MS promises that the September/October OS update will make Xbox One print puppies for every hour played.yes, in a week they finished the job and before that they were sipping cocktails for 10 months on some Jamaican beach.
Of course you are right on the 2nd point - it is certainly their MO to beat Microsoft
Cannot wait for Sony to plagiarize that!
Glorious Ownage
Member
Throw in friends signing online notifications!
ethomaz
Banned
You can check PSBlog.Share and the order is:
4. MP3/Media playback
5. Friend notification
9. YouTub App
10. Plause/Resume download
11. 3D Blu-Ray
34. Themes
48. DLNA
And maybe I missed suspend/resume
Not sure on film front as I tend to avoid 3D (although to can say Gravity, Hobbit, Start Trek all seemed good from peeks at them : I own 3dmD versions but only my kids watch 'em) however I recommend downloading Trine 2 demo and playing it in 3D as it looks great in 3D.
BronsonLee
Member
I feel like this thread needs the title updated to #JEFFRIGBYALERT
Because good goddamn there's info in what he says, but sometimes my brain just cannot follow
Because good goddamn there's info in what he says, but sometimes my brain just cannot follow
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Reading up to here, some complaints are valid however there's a communication issue that I find comes with this conversation.
For one you have people who are upset about this trying to talk down people who have no problem with it visa versa. Besides the usual suspects of baseless complaining, I do feel that at times, sure these things should be there day one.
But referring back to a post, obviously there's a difference here that is clearly the reason for the delay which is the OS that resides on the PS4. There is obviously somethings they have to re-do all over again to make things work.
Overall, I think that communication from the Sony camp is what everyone can appreciate and that does seem to be the biggest problem. Using "It's 2014" as a defense to why they should have those "basic" things then not understanding how programming works and the steps that need to be taken to implement these things, are shortsighted as hell. Take it from all angles and then come to a compromise.
It's pretty much the reason why I'm not pissed but level headed on the situation.
plagiarize
Banned
Thank the gods. Finally! I was hoping MS's announcement would put a fire under Sony and it appears to have. Finally I can stop using my PC as my 3D Blu-ray player.
I think there are really only two problems, both exacerbated by what MS are doing.
1) lack of communication. Sony seem ok with sharing information on games, but the OS stuff they just seem to have hidden behind the curtain and they seem unwilling (or unable) to let us peek behind it. It is something I hope they improve. MS kick their arse here with the preview program. There doesn't seem to be much of a limitation on who can enroll, so it is a great way to market the idea of XB1 as more agile and flexible in terms of OS updates, always trickling something new to everyone every month.
2) implementation. Clearly MS have more speed here, and perhaps that is down to the way they have built on top of a windows OS. So they can update the core apps of the dashboard without necessarily impacting the gameOS. Plus with each app being pretty separate there is less in terms of dependencies to worry about. Sony seem to have more of an 'all in' approach, so perhaps they can't easily add things without doing significantly more testing end-to-end. 360 and PS3 might have been similar here.
tldr; I don't think Sony are particularly slow with OS updates (PS3 took a long time to bring some things), but compared to how much faster and communicative MS are being, it makes them look slow.
jeff_rigby
Banned
Just so we are on the same page, at the bottom the page:
So your correction to my statement is that these are not mandated but are standards that should be used and if I am understanding this correctly, to be certified as a DLNA CVP2 platform then the software and hardware must comply (read mandated) to HTML 5.0 PLUS applicable working group extensions to HTML5 defined as needed by the DLNA.ORG in their DLNA CVP2 whitepaper.
Further, DLNA CVP2 is a HTML5 app, uses a Javascript engine, HTML5 <video> EME, WebRTC, APIs to Java, DLNA, UPnP and more but it's not a mandated part of HTML5, it is though a mandated by DLNA part of HTML5 for DLNA CVP2 platforms.
Quacks like a Duck walks like a duck but I get your point. I worded poorly, if Sony is to support DLNA CVP2 then they must comply with the DLNA whitepaper for certification and that mandates MP3, DLNA and more not HTML5 mandating extensions to HTML5 or codecs that are recommended and also used by DLNA.
For those of you frustrated at not getting the updates you want, check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software
They kept updating it for years and pretty much answered everyone's requests. The only major outlier was Cross Game Chat but that was a RAM limitation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software
They kept updating it for years and pretty much answered everyone's requests. The only major outlier was Cross Game Chat but that was a RAM limitation.
AuthenticM
Member
Suspend & Resume feature still missing, as well as DLNA. But you're on the right track, Sony.
chrishackwood
Member
Thanks. Just found the 1 for PS4 as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_4_system_software
The PlayStation 4.
Family Fry
Member
So realistically when can we expect to see this update?
It would be quite telling if this takes more than a month to hit ps4, they can't tease like this and not have it ready.
It would be quite telling if this takes more than a month to hit ps4, they can't tease like this and not have it ready.
Live Free or Die
Banned
They already said, next week.
um ok?
... Care to elaborate?
I just did this this morning! It's the first game I played in 3D and it was the first time I really played Trine 2 to boot. Trine 2 is just gorgeous and the 3D effect worked really well in it!
I couldn't quite decide on the "separation"? setting for 3D in it though. I liked the hrm, intensity? of the effect when it was maxed, but it caused some "cross-talk" I think it's called when I did that with kind of a slight double image around the characters (especially the girl). Turning it down to about 75% seemed to be a decent compromise there, but it didn't completely go away unless it was on the default 30%-ish setting.
You can check PSBlog.Share and the order is:
4. MP3/Media playback
5. Friend notification
9. YouTub App
10. Plause/Resume download
11. 3D Blu-Ray
34. Themes
48. DLNA
And maybe I missed suspend/resume
Why is change user ID the most important feature ?????
Place 3 is convert sub account to master account ?
I can hardly believe people want that over Suspense/Resume, DNLA, MP3, Friend notifications...
Because those two are practical realities of people living with PSN accounts over the years, rather than fun features they'd quite like.
Many people will have picked a PSN name years ago and want to change it. And lots of people are on sub-accounts because they were minors at the time of creating the account, but now they are over 18 and can't convert their accounts to master accounts so they're screwed.
The console that launched missing even the basic features that its predecessor from two gens ago had (CD playback, mp3 etc) never mind it's most recent ancestor.
With its two headline features from the reveal (suspend/resume and share button) either MIA or completely broken. And what about all that other fancy stuff they talked up at the reveal with the fancy profiles and jumping into other people's games. Where's that?
Then you get onto stories of questionable QA around the controller analogue sticks which I haven't experienced but they are out there.
Nothing about all this seems rushed and half baked to you?
I've been a big Sony fan for many years and I'm enjoying my PS4 but I calls it how I sees it.
The EME specification definitely does not mandate the use of PlayReady for VOD. It very deliberately leaves an hole for an unspecified Content Decryption Module, which could be many different systems in practice and in all liklihood will be the DRM system from the device or OS manufacturer in most cases. In Internet Explorer it would normally be Playready, but there are already shipping examples where it isn't - the implementation for Netflix in Chrome for Chrome OS uses Widevine, and the implemention in Safari on OSX Yosemite uses Apple Fairplay. The device manufacturer has to pay a royalty to MS to ship with a pre-installed centralised Playready library, so that's not going to happen on the PS4 (it does on the XBO). There's nothing to stop an app manufacturer from shipping their own Playready implentation within an app to the PS4, but they'd have to arrange the licensing themselves and it wouldn't be available to other apps (this has already been done I think - I've not wiresharked it but hte Netflix app almost certainly does this). If the PS4 was going to ship with a CDM it would be Marlin, since presumably Sony own enough IP there it would be free for them.
MPEG-DASH isn't the same as Smooth Streaming either, though they are similar and Microsoft contributed some IP that was formally part of Smooth Streaming towards it IIRC.
The DTCP-IP DRM spec isn't WMDRM10 either, I'm pretty sure, though WMDRM10 would probably have been enough to meet the criteria in the past.
molnizzle
Member
So much this. Fire them all, then shift development over to the west. Japan just doesn't understand this shit.
ethomaz
Banned
I believe people want to change ID...
GAFer is not a measurement of what most PS4 users want.... change user id was a request since PS3 days... a lot of guys I talk wants to do that.
And yeap... DLNA is low requested features because most guys didn't use that... only some PC users that knows how to install a DLNA server at home to work in a network.... same for Resume/Suspend because PS4 boot up in less than 15 seconds (less than 5 seconds in StandBy).
Friend Notifications is a top 5 requested feature.
BTW You can vote there.., just need a PSN account.
This.
And features like DLNA are just advanced PC guys that use... home users don't know even what means DLNA.
Suspend/Resume for now is a big overrated in GAF... no real needed for most gamers.
StreetDisciple
Member
Which proves my point. They had much of the basic media playback capabilities sorted out within the first 5 or 6 months which is what this whole thread is about. I had a launch PS3 and they constantly were rolling out updates so I know the machine will be completely different a few years from now than it is today. I think anyone expecting all features to be there day one is delusional.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Of course it's rushed, Sony even admits that. They had to rush the release to gain edge over Xbox. They have said it multiple times.
I just had a chat with a friend who was whining about the missing features like music player and such and I just told him that Sony released what they promised: console #4gamers. It's a GAMING console first, media center last. PS3 was a media center, look what happend to it. Xbone is a media center, look what's happening to it. Sony concentrated on gaming and it shows. Good for them. Now give hem time to bring out the extra stuff and start playing while waiting (or get an Xbone for media stuff).
what the fuck...
I do not think that is a good idea or a solution at all. The OS is clean, fast, and functional. What they have done has been good and problems are very rare for people. Yeah, it is kinda feature-lite which sucks, but firing or laying off the current team is *not* the answer. What they probably need is a lot more resources and people than they have. They need to bolster the staff for it and get shit done.
Infinite Xero
Member
Sony pushed out a stability update this week and is going to push out a feature update next week? That is pretty suspicious considering the timing. If the 1.75 update really is released next week and only includes 3D playback then I'll have to agree with the commenters saying Sony was holding on this update and decided to release it before MS could release their own.
Live Free or Die
Banned
Joke post?
PS3 was also a really great GAMING console. The two things are not mutually exclusive. For progress we like to move forward. Great gaming console + great media centre -> great gaming console + sh*t media centre is not progress. For Christ's sake even the PS1 could play music CDs.
I thought that was now done in the West? If not, it's time.
jeff_rigby
Banned
In China and Japan, the HTML5 <video> DRM standard in CE platforms will be Marlin using the same EME hooks that Microsoft-Google-Netflix proposed to the W3C. In the US, again, certified DLNA CVP2 platforms will use Playready and the wording from DTLA for DTCP-IP was provisionally WMDRM10 and later. The reason for Playready as the CVP2 VOD DRM in the US as the accepted standard was all the Cable Companies and CE manufacturers agreed upon a common DRM standard for DLNA (DTCP-IP WMDRM10) and CVP2 (Playready). Apps outside DLNA CVP2 can use Playready, Widevine, Adobe Access, Marlin or anything that uses the EME extensions as the middleware supplied by the manufacturer is used by all apps..
Microsoft changed the fee structure for Playready and WMDRM10 to get it accepted as the standard and in 2011 Sony switched from Marlin to Playready for all their platforms sold in the US. If you think about it, Cable companies will use the same VOD DRM as the FCC requires a common standard across the US so a DLNA CVP2 platform has to work the same everywhere in the US. DTCP-IP requires a server where every certified DLNA CVP2 platform has their Mac# and encryption key registered. Playready the same with Revocation lists. WMDRM10 is backwardly compatible with Playready so the routines; Metadata and middleware for the platform don't have to be duplicated to support both.
Check out the list of companies using Playready and notice the Cable companies and CE Companies.
DTCP-IP page 8 in this PDF Protected retransmission over HDCP (HDMI, DVI),
Windows Media DRM* and DTCP over other protocols
The above allows network file access and that has planned support with a HTML5 browser accessible Samba Networked drive.
You and BruiseBear should get together.
I'm not getting this bizarre notion that eastern nations don't know how to programme computers. Where does it stem from? Do people genuinely believe that Japanese people do not know how to programme the PS4?
molnizzle
Member
Yep. I have the same ID on every network now except PSN. The fact that you still can't change your PSN ID is simply embarrassing. Sony is just terrible at this stuff.
Pretty much. Besides, both PS3 and 360 were pretty shitty streaming devices. Just get a $60 Roku and call it a day. I'd much rather have Sony/MS focus on making the best video game consoles they can make. Leave the media shit to the devices that will always provide a superior experience. It's not like they're expensive.
Especially since it really only works for single player games. How many big SP-only games did you see at E3 this year? Fucking everything has some sort of multiplayer these days, and many games can't properly function without an active Internet connection. Suspend/resume was something that I really wanted at first, but in practice I would almost never be able to use it.
BronsonLee
Member
Why you singling Bruiser out? He agrees with the sentiment that Sony's had this planned out for a good while. He didn't do shit
molnizzle
Member
Eastern developers have never created a fast, responsive, modern, feature-rich UI. Not on physical devices and not on the web. The PS4's UI and web store are the closest they've ever gotten... but even those are still heavily lacking in advanced features. Not to mention unreliable.
Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, etc. Those companies can pump out functional UI's. Sometimes they miss the boat (*cough* Windows 8) but even then it's only with the design, not the performance. Windows 8 was confusing to navigate but it was snappy as hell and extremely stable. The design stuff can be tweaked over time. Competent back-end programming is more complicated.
I'm not saying that Japanese individuals do not know how to create UI's effectively. I'm just saying that the truly talented ones probably aren't working in Japan. =P
Yeah I never quite understood why it was so hard? Seems pretty pathetic to me
For me, I don't really care about it. I'd rather have MP3 playback, Folders, Friend notification, Youtube, and themes. But...that's just me lol
BruiserBear
Banned
This makes me feel so much better. I'm sure by 2018 I'll have most of the features I want.
I apologize for my sarcasm, but I can't help it.